I'm currently engaged in a heated debate on the Steam forums for the game HoI 4.
Obviously the game itself is political in nature, which means it's possible to post things that might otherwise result in you being reported to the thought police.
So Sup Forums I need some sound fact based arguments that will either trigger or red pill naïve gamers who have been seduced by the demon called Marx.
Here's a link, either feed me lines here or come and join in.
steamcommunity.com
>yes nazis were very bad
You fucking suck faggot.
I'm just removing the option for obvious comparison posts, if you look at later posts I have already seeded the idea that NatSoc is better than Marxism.
the point of this is not to recruit for the Nazis, but rather to red pill Socialists to see the stupidity of their particular chosen ideology.
And in a way that will not result in the thread being locked/deleted.
You do realize that socialism and capitalism are compatible and not diametrically opposed, right? You understand that government is a social endeavor (t. socialism) and that anarcho capitalism can't work without a system of government to establish standards in currency.
I don't agree with that at all.
However, as stated above, the point of this exercise is to educate naïve young socialists, to free them from their chains of ignorance.
It's aimed squarely at those who have been duped by the Communists, those who truly believe in the writings of Marx and Engels, and also those who have no real understanding at all about the ideology that underpins the empty promises of free stuff for all.
You can defeat the soviets and commie-China in the game with anyone, democracy's need some political maneuvering to declare war on whoever they want though, at least they did in HOI3 I can't remember how it works in 4.
You seem pretty ignorant of ideology yourself, especially if you disagree with the basic principles that I laid out for you. Natsoc is long dead and the people who prop it up are historical revisionists and socially regressive. You will never get what you think you want because you lack the vision and vocabulary.
Yeah, I've played HoI 2 and 3n am holding off on 4 until they have released every DLC and fixed every bug, basically I'll wait until they release HoI 5, when #4 will be available in it's most complete and polished form for £5.
I'm not arguing the merits of NatSoc, I'm debunking the myths of Marxism.
I'm not an ideologue, I have no desire to convert anyone to my way of thinking, rather I am attempting to awaken those who have been or are in danger of being enslaved by a dark and twisted belief system, one that has been proven time and time again to not work, and to result in untold numbers of enslaved, incarcerated and murdered people.
It's amazing that you can somehow mystically ascertain my command of the English language by a handful of posts on a gaming forum, it must be wonderful to be in possession of such wisdom and powers of insight.
Perhaps you would like to tell me how best to approach this, how would you explain with subtlety just how mad and destructive true socialism undoubtedly is?
fuck off retard
triggered?
>argues socialism is bad and doesn't work
>lives in a functionally socialist country
I think I'll stick to debating WWII with strangers on Sup Forums or under historical videos somewhere.
From my experience people from countries that didn't have any real contact with communists and USSR don't know much about their part in WWII.
Same with Germany but the difference is we have pop culture. And more countries were in contact with them too although some countries had what we call "light occupation"
>Nazis were bad too
Dropped
> Nazis were bad
Pussy
t. insecure dicklet scared of da ebil Communists and big-dicked black men
Imagine socialism as a creeping disease.
It gives the government in question more power and never in history has a government been interested in relinquishing it.
Marx said that Socialism is the first step towards Communism and he would be correct except that Socialism collapses under its own weight eventually.
>babby hasn't learned to disguise your power level yet
>ADOLF HITLER 2.0 WOULD BE A GREAT SUCCESS
NECK YOURSELF YOU UTTER RETARD
you're doing gods work user
>brainlet confirmed
>socialism falls under its own weight historically proven
Except for the fact that most nations in the world function and feature some degree of socialism (i.e. healthcare and finance).
Not an argument
Attack Marx’s core contentions.
He suggested that the capitalist world would separate into two classes through attrition and economic competition, the Proletariat and Bourgeoisie classes.(didn’t happen, while wealth inequality is enormous, wealth is constantly changing hands and the 1% doesn’t remain the same)
He suggested that the Proletariat class would overthrow the Bourgeoisie class and usher in Communism. (never happened anywhere, revolution was always led by a strong leader because the grass roots uprising was never going to happen)
He suggested that the Proletariats would be absolutely destitute due to the oppression by the Bourgeoisie (Economic conditions improved for the poor class in Capitalist countries, destitute poverty is almost non-existent, the poverty we hear about is “relative” poverty)
Marx was a product of believing that equality was a virtue.
Equality is born out of envy and covetousness, there’s no way it’s virtuous, on the other hand contentment is a virtue.
Do you believe that is sustainable with a shrinking taxpayer base and an ever increasing welfare user base that doesn’t pay taxes, never work, and can barely function within the society?
This is what bongs do instead of removing kebab?
This is gold, thank you
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this is what we do in order to facilitate the removal of kebab, it is leftists who are bringing them in, it is leftists who shield them and it is leftists who control all the forces keeping us down.
So yes, we need to erode the left before we can really tackle kebab
An interesting quote, from the man himself.
Congrats, you managed to out-autism gs players
Nice : )
This is definitely a good thing. Free healthcare should not cover self-inflicted harms. If you want treatment for your habits, then there are plenty of private clinics in England.
Unless you can concisely and definitively explain why Nazi's weren't as bad as they're made out to be it's best not to even bring the point up. Understanding that they weren't all bat shit, blood thirsty maniacs is last stage red pill shit in my opinion.
I don't know about you faggots but I cannot even begin to explain the truth about the Nazi's without my computer and citations locked and loaded. It would be nice to just slap down an image macro that explains it all but it simply doesn't exist.
listen bro, you need to explain it like this, that slavery is bad and that communism is an ancient slave management system
Solomon was the first communist and things like marxism and christianity are basically similar systems missing one or more of the key components
hammer on about that list of essential ingredients for a communist society starting with a central bank and just explain it in terms of slavery
you'll key into their programming about how slavery is bad and it will be an easy sell
Most people work and pay taxes. You're simply fear mongering.
The 10 PLANKS stated in the Communist Manifesto and some of their American counterparts are...
1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.
Americans do these with actions such as the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management (Zoning laws are the first step to government property ownership)
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
Americans call it government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. Asset forfeiture laws are used by DEA, IRS, ATF etc...).
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Americans call it the Federal Reserve which is a privately-owned credit/debt system allowed by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) another privately-owned corporation. The Federal Reserve Banks issue Fiat Paper Money and practice economically destructive fractional reserve banking.
There’s also that little part where Marxist-Leninism-Maoism etc. proceeded to kill over 100 million people in the 20th century.
Communism offers absolutely nothing to one’s in-group, Race, nation, culture etc.
It actively disrespects or tries to destroy the culture of the past. It doesn’t privilege one’s in-group and treats them like shit, starving them, torturing them, sending dissenters or problem groups to gulags, killing Kulaks(farmers) who fucking feed the country because they are perceived as having wealth(capital).
Contrast that with even bad ideas like national Socialism and you see something very different.
NatSoc privileged its in-group(Germans) above all others, it fetishized the country’s history, culture, and native people.
It’s incredible how Marxism is acceptable as an academic idea when it has been so resoundingly discredited intellectually and morally.
6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State.
Americans call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
Americans call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture… Thus read "controlled or subsidized" rather than "owned"… This is easily seen in these as well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.
8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Americans call it Minimum Wage and slave labor like dealing with our Most Favored Nation trade partner; i.e. Communist China. We see it in practice via the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.
Adolf Hitler was an idealist with some really good viewpoints but you'd be fucking retarded if you didn't realize that things got out of hand rapidly and degenerated into mindless violence. The Nazis were bad because they acted like barbarians.
It makes you look like nothing but larper or a generic 16 years old wehrmaboo kiddie. If you want to kill communists go for it, either directly with a weapon or funding or being part of a political party in favor of communist removal instead of discussing it in a videogame subforum on Steam of all places, you cringy fuck
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.
Americans call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136. These provide for forced relocations and forced sterilization programs, like in China.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
Americans are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, but are actually "government force-tax-funded schools " Even private schools are government regulated. The purpose is to train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" . These are used so that all children can be indoctrinated and inculcated with the government propaganda, like "majority rules", and "pay your fair share". WHERE are the words "fair share" in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26)?? NO WHERE is "fair share" even suggested !! The philosophical concept of "fair share" comes from the Communist maxim, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need! This concept is pure socialism. ... America was made the greatest society by its private initiative WORK ETHIC ... Teaching ourselves and others how to "fish" to be self sufficient and produce plenty of EXTRA commodities to if so desired could be shared with others who might be "needy"... Americans have always voluntarily been the MOST generous and charitable society on the planet.
thank you user
>most people do
In what amounts?
If everyone is gradually working low skill or low pay jobs as the white tax payer base shrinks(who pays the, disproportionate to population, majority of taxes), then what do you think will happen?
>anarcho capitalism can't work without a system of government to establish standards in currency.
what are black markets?
some wonderful stuff coming in now, copy pasta time, also much food for thought, so much knowledge and wisdom flooding forth.
God bless Sup Forums
>not posting an extreme version of your point of view to illicit responses from people
If you show you're understanding and empathetic of their point of view they don't even respond.
Communists aren’t human because they lack the moral compass that makes one human.
It’s alright and even preferable to kill communists.
God speed, give those marxist cucks hell user
>The Nazis were bad because they acted like barbarians.
the nazis were bad because they were collaborating with the exact same ruthless scumbag bankers who finance both sides of every war
I am 16 lol
Look, if everyone red pills one or two people every week we're going to make serious progress, a game forum may not be the most impressive theatre of operations, but gamers communicate and share ideas all the time.
Every action that helps our cause is surely of some value.
>I am 16 lol
Look out boi that's how you get banned. Did you forget that we're big kids only?
Communism seeks to enslave a people by controlling every aspect of the economy from cradle to grave, controlling banking, education, industry and culture, removing native culture and replacing it with useless ugly abstract forms
Solomon was the first and only king who was able to rule with this system perfectly, and it was said that he was the only king of the entire earth, that not only did he rule his human subjects, he ruled all humans, their spirits, the animals, and the mythical and magical creatures like Djinn all did his bidding
this refers to the total control that following the communist planks can give a ruler, and Solomon's power came from using these exact same rules
I meant 18
Are you making an argument for the failures of capitalist industry and how it leaves more people (including whites) impoverished as opposed to enriched?
False. True capitalism has never been tried.
What is the petrodollar and why do the most profitable businesses in history need tax subsidies to be profitable?
Standards in currency? You mean like precious metals?
Oh no, of course you mean state controlled fiat.
If you guys want a game about killing communists you should write an email to Destructive Creations studio. They are authors of Hatred, they don't give a broken fuck about political correctness and they are Polish so they will be more than glad to make a game about killing commies. They are busy right with making an rts about vikings but they might need ideas for future games.
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No, rather it’s the eventual failure of the socialist overlays.
The US imported a bunch of low skill non-whites which tanked the labor market. Too much supply, not much demand.
These people, on average, can’t compete in the free market against whites, Asians, or Jews who will take their lunch and eat it too.
Which means that they will probably never be able to move up the economic ladder unless the African, Mexican etc is an outlier or to the right of the bell curve.
With the white population not breeding and actually creating in size, we should have a labor shortage, but we don’t due to immigration and most tax revenue comes from the white middle class so as it shrinks, these socialist programs will eventually fail.
That pic. I can't believe people were ever so stupid to believe such a ridiculous claim. I suppose they weren't since it has been revised to a lower number since then.
It was a typo
Also, when trying to inform people of the JQ, tell them to look up "109 countries" on google.
He was socialist so yes he was bad
Are you talking about the East India Trading Company?
>I can't believe people were ever so stupid to believe such a ridiculous claim.
They're still that stupid if you ask me. I'm pretty sure that the Auschwitz official death count is still (literally) impossibly large.
Thanks. That's a good one.
That would be a good idea.
If they could present the philosophical, moral, economic, and intellectual problems of communism without being preachy, then it could be an enjoyable game provided it plays well.
Most of Poland is pretty redpilled in its own right, buddy of mine’s Great Grandmother used to wait in the food lines for hours to get just one tomato.
Clothing stores had only three circular racks of random clothing.
Communism is incredible in its inhumanity.
Men like Frued and the Frankfurt school has the audacity to say it was breaking the repressive capitalist structures that allowed people to act do what they will freely.
>wealth is constantly changing hands and the 1% doesn’t remain the same)
pretty sure old money is a thing
>The US imported a bunch of low skill non-whites which tanked the labor market. Too much supply, not much demand.
that was done to make labor management easier
Romans were importing slaves to keep labor costs low thousands of years ago, it was no different when it was done here
People inherit and Jews are very good with money, but that doesn’t change the fact that money is constantly changing hands.
Well if thats the case, they shouldn't have their wages garnished for other peoples benefits.