The digital Jew

Should it be illegal for game publishers to implement """loot boxes""" in their games? Basicly its gambling which is not allowed in the most countries under the age of 18.

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Gambling implies there's an outcome where you end up with nothing. So no.

Didn't China pass a law that loot boxes were only allowed if the company published the percentage numbers for rare loot? I think Hearthstone had like 7% chance for a legendary.

No.

But it should be illegal for people to be stupid enough to waste their money on loot boxes

Yeah but it's not going to happen.
>also
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well its a political topic if we should allow it or not so Sup Forums is the wrong board.

>having digital stickers to put on digital guns are worth something

I fucking hate lootboxes and they are pretty much the one reason I didnt buy overwatch or cs go
Full price + micro transactions? Fuck off

But it's voluntary trading so yeah they will keep getting money from retards

>Should it be illegal to take money from stupid people?

No, no it should not.

>Basicly its gambling
no chance of no reward = not gambling
money in, content out, you're buying a digital product, even if there's an enormous chance it won't be the product you want

but the companies advertise their lootboxes with shiny items to lure kids and teens to buy their """lootboxes"""

What are Pokémon card packs

That is the most fucking retarded argument. If a casino gave you a paperclip every-time you lost it would still be gambling, even though you never end up with nothing.

kids and teens are more prone for gambling addiction than adults.

wow just like every other fucking product in the world, you dumbass
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>oh buying markers is gambling because fruit didn't erupt from my child's nose

when did they start giving bank accounts and jobs to kids? If a kid is given money to spend without supervision, the associated adult is to blame

>If a kid is given money to spend without supervision, the associated adult is to blame
this is the part where you are wrong, would you say the same if someone persuade your kid to buy drugs?

>when did they start giving bank accounts
what are paysafe or steamcards? kids can buy them.

if someone persuaded a child to purchase narcotics that means they have money to spend, unsupervised, which is wrong. You wouldn't let a kid drive a car unsupervised, you wouldn't let them fire a gun unsupervised, you wouldn't let them have a campfire unsupervised, why the fuck would you hand them the most powerful material on earth and just ignore the following actions?

Sounds to me like people are blaming companies for their own lack of responsibility.

>Basicly its gambling
No, it's not.

Gambling is placing value against odds with the possibility of being rewarded with a greater value than what was put in. Loot boxes, while retarded to spend money on, don't provide any value in return, and are therefore just regular commodities with an RNG factor attached to what you actually get.

you cant oversee your kids 24/7, would you blame yourself if some sick fuck rapes your kid to death becouse you cant look after it 24/7?

Why are people comparing it to gambling?
Sure there's a chance you're not going to get that legendary skin, but you're going to get a bunch of other shit that you can use in the game.
This is no different from any other product out there, whether it's Magic the Gathering, Pokemon or Star Wars.
If you let your kid to have free reign with your credit card buying these things, this shit is on you, not the gaming company.

This isn't about drugs.
This is about something that's on par with trading cards and stickers.

you bet your ass i would, if I'm not there to supervise my child, someone I trust is

how is this a difficult concept? You have offspring you are responsible for their well being until they are emotionally and physically mature enough to take care of themselves, and even then you remain on the sidelines for years and years just to be sure.

>calling a child an it
Past this point I'm not paying attention to another of your appeals to emotion regarding children since you're obviously a childless moron who doesn't know what they're talking about.

If you are so retarded that you ask for mommy government to save you from your own niggerdom, you should KYS.

>This isn't about drugs.
its a drug, its goal is to make you addicted

>having steam
>playing video games past 2010 barring a few gems

its not retarded because either way youre paying for something.
but anyway to answer OP no it should not be illegal to take money from dumb fucks willing to waste it on lootboxes

no, it's goal is to turn a profit, and since the goods are digital and nonexistent, that goal is achieved the first time someone buys in.
if lootboxes are 'addictive' enough to be equivalent to drugs, video games as a whole are no better and you might as well just ask for the government to step in and limit game time and availability to citizens

qualpost

Yes.
usury should be illegal as well, rabbi kraut cuck.

>limit game time
I'll do this when I'm in power if I don't fully ban all non-historically accurate games.

You just gave me a great idea to start a paperclip casino.

In gambling you can make a profit. In lootboxes you cannot. See the difference?

of course you can, in cs:go you can get skins worth more then several thousand dollars if you are lucky and you can sell them.

people sell these skins for ridiculous amounts, man

Did you read what I wrote there?
It's the same as EVERY FUCKING PRODUCT, whether it's a toy, a game or a clothing brand.
They're all meant to be appealing as possible.
Are you implying that toy companies aren't trying to get your kids addicted into buying toys?
Games themselves are a total waste of time and extremely appealing.
Or that Apple isn't trying to get people hooked into buying their vastly overpriced products, by having this weird ass snobbish culture surrounding them?
Everything is designed to appeal to customers and they want them to return, whether it's digital or physical goods.
Don't give your kid any money to dick around online = problem solved.
And if you're a grown ass man buying 500 loot boxes and then going on youtube to open them, it's your problem.
It's not Blizzards job to kick you off youtube and to cut your credit card in half, so you stop your attention seeking behavior via spending on frivolous crap.
People really need to learn to take some responsibility, even if today's world discourages it.

Those micro transactions are cosmetic. Also buy games usin stolen credit cards like a good person

loot boxes should not be a thing...but what are we going to do?

the fact is that parents will buy this crap for their kids and retarded braindead gamers will buy them to support the game because they think game companies don't make enough money

Gaming is going to die out just let it ride out and burn to the ground

I don't know

>Are you implying that toy companies aren't trying to get your kids addicted into buying toys?
the diffrence is that you get for what you paid and not gamble for some specific item.

Legally speaking loot boxes are not gambling. Banning monetization outright is the wrong move too. There should be stricter controls around the rating, marketing and content of games and profiles registered as minors.

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This skin is valued over $100,000

Wtf world.

honestly i'd outlaw vidya but the reee would be deafening

What are trading cards and baseball cards?

Not really because in a casino you’re still gambling for something that has real value outside of the game or casino itself.

same problem, we should make them illegal too.

>the diffrence is that you get for what you paid and not gamble for some specific item.

try that again but with some intelligibility to it please. You pay for a box. You get a box. The contents are fully and openly advertised to be random. Your entitlement does not change the definition to gambling.

You pay a couple bucks for a pack of random cards. Whether something inside is valued more than what you paid for is irrelevant because you still get a pack of cards.

Sell it through the game though. To which the answer is no. They aren't Pachinko machines, and it's not the devs fault there are idiots out there dumb enough to pay thousands for skins.

What about Pokemon cards?
Or any other trading cards or blind bags? There's a metric fuckton of stuff like this out there.
How on earth is this suddenly such a massive issue when we've had products sold with the same idea for ages?
Besides you do get stuff from those boxes, just like you get from trading card boxes.
You might not get a specific item, but then again you're full well aware of this.
And for example in Overwatch, you can achieve the specific items by simply playing the game or buying them with gold.

>my arbitrary definition changes what gambling is

...

This, this is basically the bread and butter of the patreon/kicksharter/gofuckyourself crowd

no you can sell them on the steam marked or even on ebay for real money.

I've got over 300 dollar worth of skin, the cheapest being like 30 dollar

I buy them just to spite you poorfag kids who dont have access to a credit card

Fuck the stickers on them alone are all holographic shit that's worth 5 dollar minimum each

I also use the auto, kek, fuck you kid, you dont have beautiful skin like me because youre either too poor or a kid without credit card

But I'm neither and I'm gonna rub my beautiful skin in your poorfag face

nigger

the items are transferred in-game but the currency is "anything goes" territory

but you're an ancap?

>i paid $300 so it's worth $300

nothing has value until a buyer and a seller agree on one. And converted to USD that's like $40 currently

>You pay a couple of bucks for a pack of random skins. Whether something inside is valued more than what you paid for is irrelevant because you still get a pack of skins.

lol another poorfag trying to comfort himself, that's what they are worth total when I calculate their price according to the steam market, some have even doubled in worth, ahah

>$0.03 = nothing
Dickhead it is infact worth something. Glittering lights saying you lose is nothing.

So you want to outlaw all forms that even resemble gambling, because people don't have any spine to take responsibility.
Sure, let's do away with alcohol, cigarettes and all other harmful things at the same time.
Make it illegal for people to buy candy too, because you know some fuckers get fat due to lack of self control.
This is a retarded way of thinking.
If some doucher is stupid enough to stuff his face with burgers and gets so fat that he can't fit out of his home, it's on him not on the burger shop.
I don't want the responsibility taken away from that generic failure and placed on some business.
That will end up hurting my freedoms, just to coddle that moron with no self control.

It should be illegal. Fronting real money for a random and unknown reward is not something that anyone under 18 should be exposed to. A dangerous precedent indeed.

Yup this stuff has been a part of gaming for decades and the Internet with gaming API’s finally caught up. The one legitimate argument gamers have is that resources are now focused on making loot box content instead of real meaningful game content. Gazillion with Marvel Heroes is notorious for this practice and justifies this by calling it people want, and they aren’t necessarily wrong when people are paying.

Lootboxes will be mainstay for now and in more games but believe they will be a relative fad unless evolved. Post-buy transactions help offset developer risk with growing costs, keeps consumer up-front costs down and helps support ongoing game development. It’s a win presuming the box contents aren’t money only or don’t significantly alter game balance.

you're underage if you don't think that a large portion of the world is random and unknown, despite the cost

you can get a new phone and it can have manufacturing defects causing the touchscreen to stop after a week. That can result in an enormous headache with your carrier, warranty or not. Should buying a phone be illegal because there is a risk of unwanted result? Everything is like this. Every single aspect of life has the chance for disappointment and failure, once you start down the path of "not allowed because hurt feelings", where does it end?

Stop trying to justify what is essentially gross corporate greed, and in my opinion, borderline theft.

>And if you're a grown ass man buying 500 loot boxes and then going on youtube to open them, it's your problem.
Holy shit I didn't even know this was a thing. This is almost as bad as spics and niggers holding up the line at the gas station because they keep buying scratch-off tickets and cashing them in to get more scratch offs. Remember now, these are the same type of people who want communism and think it's "capitalist oppression" holding them down, not their own dumbass financial irresponsibility and bad choices.

wtf is a loot box?

Loot boxes are fucking optional and corporations are here to make money. Businesses are greedy for wanting to make money is a nonsense argument

stop pretending like this is the only thing on the planet that is gross corporate greed and borderline theft

how long does it take for your eyes to adjust to the light after spending so long under a rock?

Why should the government be involved in that?

It’s a legit argument for games rated and directly marketed to minors. Argument loses steam once you consider optional content involving adults. Thee types are just salty about boxes in general and looking for ways to banish them. Unfortunally for them that direction is fruitless

The possibility of a phone working as intended, or malfunctioning, doesn't provide the excitement and dopamine hit of the kind of unknown outcome in this lootbox concept. You really must be able to comprehend the difference here, it's glaringly obvious. This is thinly-veiled gambling and is designed to be extremely addictive.

No, but lootboxes should be taxed to fund the national HL3 production effort

Fuck, forgot to remove my shitposting flag.

Getting something new and works well definitely produces dopamine

>not wearing an eye-patch with a light on the back of it while you're down there

Yar har

They will definitely evolve.
There's way too much easy money in them and people are more than willing to consume.
They will definitely be given a way to do that.

Oh it's a thing alright.
This is what happens when people don't have anything else going on for themselves.
They don't have any skills or hobbies that would make them special, so they start throwing money around to gain some form of recognition online.
But it's really no different from people who visit Disneyland 50 times a year and then do "Disney haul!!" videos on youtube.
Consumerism is so closely tied to identity building nowadays that it's really impossible to separate the two.

You're laboring under the impression that people wouldn't get that dopamine rush from some other form of spending.
That money will be spent one way or another.
See what I wrote above. Consumerism is now a very much watered down alternative to creativity and real life achievements.
From buying shit, people get the dopamine rush you'd normally get from an actual achievement.
Loot boxes aren't the problem, but a symptom.
The entire mindset of modern people is the culprit that allows things like constant consumerism and loot boxes to become a widespread thing.

You might be okay with trickle-up economics, but I'm not. Anything which transfers money from the poor to the wealthy, without any tangible product or service being provided, is unhealthy for society.

We’re really in the first gen of AAA titles with loot box features. The problem is that it’s not sustainable with the cyclical nature of games. Simple spin to win boxes won’t work once gamers are playing at least the 2nd or 3rd version of the same game

I’m better with choices. Buying games is a choice. Buying boxes and cosmetics are more choices. The economics argument is out the window here because nobody is forced to buy games to survive or to even be entertained.

>gambling is when you have a chance to get nothing
>the enjoyment of gambling is nothing
I guess hookers are gambling too

movies too

>should it be illegal to allow people to spend their own money
No, you fucking tyrant.

It's a fact of life that sometimes people have to be protected from their own stupidity. That's why drugs are illegal.

wait, so youre telling me that if the lottery makes the minimum price $1, then they can sell to children?

It's just offering an extra choice, if the choice is there some people will buy it. It's all psychological, not logical, imagine if Mario on the NES/Famicom had loot boxes as an option on the main menu screen when you first played it, of course you would consider it.

As with all digital items in games, they are generally worth nothing after a sequel is released

That's basically their argument, yes.

Other way around. People who buy loot boxes should be illegal.

They should be allowed to suffer the consequences of their own stupidity, however grave those consequences are.

Waking up is a gamble...

you clearly have no children

Are you mad that you wasted 200$ on opening keys like an autist? Its so funny seeing you people saying how this is trash while i trade and sell the knives, skins for real money, i have money in stash to keep me good for a year, i can buy a fucking car because of the digital jew. Also nobody forses you to play with skins in csgo its pure cosmetic its not pay2win and it changes nothing gameplay wise.

Steam killed the PC game industry.

No ones forcing you to gamble you faggot, but you are being forced by your government to allow Ahmed to bang your wife