Moldova's Top Court Endorses Proposal To Switch Official Language To 'Romanian' In Constitution

Is Romania going to annex it soon? I mean, Moldovans want into EU so much, they'll get there automatically.

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someone explain this in a way that a dumb western european like myself can understand

what's happening

The question of reunification is not so simple. There are a lot of people, maybe even the majority, who are against it on both sides.

Could you imagine your country being so god damned awful that being taken over by Romania would be considered a good thing?

Nothing really important, Moldova used to pretend for a long time that they speak a different language, that just happens to be identical to romanian.

why are they against it?

actually the same language or at least some dialect with weird words, like flemish vs dutch or just LITERALLY the same fucking language?

Because a lot of the people living thre are not Romanian.

Like the difference between England English and American English I think.

> flemish vs dutch
I don't know the difference.
In written form it's the same. When spoken it's with and accent, but no different words. People from the Romanian part of moldova, like myself, also have that accent.

Probably the biggest shithole, bar Albania, that the EU could absorb. Please do not let this happen.

You stupid gypsies, you are literally the same people. Western Moldovans are already part of Romania anyway, why are easterners so fucking retarded?

Even less that that I think, since the meaning of some expressions is different, as well as different words (pants vs trousers) and different spelling (color vs colour).

Moldavians are white.

>T. Been there, transnistria is like the white version of Belize if you wanna retire cheap

But it's only 3 million people.
Drop Transnistria, kick out homo sovietucus.

They'r not, but the thing is they'r not all romanians. The russians really fucked that place up, creating a mongrol people (colonizing the place with russians, ukrainians and bulgarians).

How so? Aren’t “”””Moldovans”””” just ethnic Romanians who are larping to be another ethnic group.

Moldova and Ukraine are necessary buffer states to keep us having hard borders with Transnistria and Russia

Like I said , thei'r not all Romanians. And as far as I'm concerned, if you say you'r not Romanian, but "moldovan" then you'r probably some mongrol without identity.

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>How so? Aren’t “”””Moldovans”””” just ethnic Romanians who are larping to be another ethnic group.

Theyre doing what Belarus is doing, playing the eu and rf off on each other

>Dutch sounds very harsh guttural + imports garbage loan words from other languages
>Flemish sounds milder and prefers its own vocabulary
Literally the whole difference.

Latest census for government controlled area says it's 75% Moldovans and 7% Romanians. So quite the majority.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Moldova#Ethnic_groups

Ukraine isn't going anywhere. Transnistria will be BTFO and reabsorbed into Ukraine, like it used to be.

>I mean, Moldovans want into EU so much, they'll get there automatically.

I support this but I'm sure Putin would start another war if you know what I mean, Ukraine.

I see, thank you
How strange
the flemish sound fucking gay and they know it
every time im in belgium i think theyre just all permanently having strokes and making up silly words on the spot thats how they sound to my common civilised dutch trained ears

The benifit of saying you are "moldavan" is that a separate state means a lot lower cost of living. Some friends of mine bought a brand new 4 bedroim apartment in the capital there for like 40k

Well, the suport for reunification is certainly much more than 7%. How they declare themselves in the census is a technicality.

Putin is a cuck. He won't go against NATO. He can't even take over Ukraine.

That's only a bennefit for foreigners like your friend though. Moldova is the poorest country in Europe, so no matter how you spin it that still sucks.

>transnistria will go to ukraine

Dude you guys cant even hold onto donbass with us giving you arms and soros hand over fist giving you money

No I meant that Romanians/Moldovans are a big majority and there's not much Ukrainians, Russians, Bulgarians as you say.

How come its taking so long? Russian money propping the place up?

Shut up, Donbass and Crimea will be liberated, And so will be Kuban.

Nah m8 my friend got the green card lottery hes from moldova. He literally just drives a truck 4 months out of the year and goes back home.

As far as I know we accepted the Romanian language as the state one a while ago, discarding the Moldavian one at the same time. Our new president is pro russian, this is most likely because of him. In the capital (the only decent place in this country) most of the people dislike him (as well as the parlament) but in the countryside, and pretty much every other city they are with him because they remember that it was "better" in communist times, and because of that they want to side with Russia. Most of them dislike the west because they think they have degenerate values and so on.

Dont talk about it, be about it.

You ever been to the village that was on borat?

Dude ive been to some of those villages with old ladies selling vegtables with no teeth. I can see why ussr is nostalgic to them

A lot of the poeple who declare themselves as "moldovans" are mongrols though.

Right now there is no NATO and at the first sing of this Putin would act.
The only way Moldova could escape the Russian prison would be if Trump, Merkel, Macron etc deployed huge forces in Romania and the entire Black Sea area.

>russian prison

A lot of projecting there

Every country in the Russian sphere is super poor and miserable. It's only good for those puppet dictators and their cronies.

Why do you care pajeet? You're out of it anyway

Dodon is heading towards a massive shitstorm in the near future. Heck, signs of him backing down have already popped up - as seen when he formally invited Iohannis in a state-visit in Moldova a couple of days ago, or the issues with the legality of his actions as President being formally brought up. Truth of the matter is - Plahotniuc will keep on controlling the country, Dodon will keep on being the perfect controlled opposition. Romania is pumping way too much money in Moldova for it to go towards Russia, at most Trasnistria will be ceded alongside Gagauzia, problem solved.

Believe it or not, you should keep an eye on Basescu. His actions have been quite peculiar, if seen in a particular context. Next year will be very important for both of our countries, let's hope things go for the best.

Its because since then we've only had corrupted people govern this country, they just don't know any better.
He is pretty much right. A lot of our wouldn't want to side with Russia, at the same time they imported so many people from all over the used to be USSR, and they do want to side with Russia. The only thing keeping transnistria afloat right now is russian military still stationed there. They most likely want "their" old lands back.

First drop the meme flag

Second go to somewhere not moscow....like Krasnodar and tell me its poor

Yes....to a point

The collapse in the early 90s was etched and burned into peoples psyche. The average slav just wants a decent paying job. The ussr until collapse provided stability.

>First drop the meme flag
You too, obvious Russkie troll on a VPN.

> tell me its poor
It's all a poor and miserable wasteland for average people where only orks like you would want to live.

Right now the parlament is cock blocking Dodon hard, and I'm pretty happy with it. A few days ago a guy that killed a businessman in Russia said that he was hired by Plahotniuc, I hope something will come out of this as well.

If it were up to me, I would do just as you say, cede Transnistria and Gagauzia, give them autonomy or whatever and just move on, no point in keeping a sick appendage on yourself.

Definitely will, thanks for the tip.

Nice ad hominem faggot.

Your probably swedish

I meant to say that I understand that most likely its just a show, but any not pro Russia political development isn't bad at the very least.

If anyone interested about the whole story putting short. part 1/2

At the maximum extend of Romanian (or whatever they ware back than) people they reached as far to the East as whole Moldavia and modern day Odessa region of Ukraine + Bukovina (but at some time Slavs and many others also control this region). Than there come Turkey, everything went chaotic. Than come Russian Empire and freed all the Orthodox people (but Slavs come there as well). Many of the Romanians/Moldovians ware slavynized (some of my ancestors were Romanian, for example).

Than there was civil war in Russian Empire and Romanians by the mandate from the League of Nations took control of this region. They started the romanization and were pretty mean to Slavs and for whatever reason Moldovians. Old people don't very like Romanians.

Than there come Soviets and (re)captured this region. They also created Soviet Moldova and cut part of Ukraine (Transnistria) and gave them to Moldova with all it's Slavic population (so that soviet influence ware higher and Romanian less, since Slavs didn't liked Romania).

Then there wasn't Soviets anymore and everyone started to dream about their own cozy mono-ethnic states. Moldavians wan'ted Slav-free country and even hoped to join with Romania. The Slavs didn't like idea about land they were living to be freed from them, so it quickly ended in war that where Moldova and Romanian volunteers failed to destroy Transnistrian forces + volunteers from Ukraine and Russia.

Transnistria than asked Ukraine to take it back, but Ukraine declined. At this point Ukraine was in negotiations to keep Crimea to itself. By Soviet constitution Ukraine had to give Crimea a right to go back to Russia, but Ukraine stated, that Soviet laws should be ignored and Soviet republics borders be left unchanged no matter what. At such condition there was no right for Ukraine to keep both Crimea and took back Transnistria. Now Ukraine don't have nor Crimea, nor Transnistria.

>Romania annex Moldova
1 Romania has NEVER annexed anything, literally, we have never conquered anything in our history, we always fought for our stolen land.
2 Can West Germany annex East Germany, even if they are different states? No, they're the same people. Republic of Moldova is literally 3 counties stolen from Romania by Russian jewish bolshevic stalinist government.
3 We want to unify with Moldova but Putin has its army wedged between Moldova and Ukraine just waiting to start attacking both sides.

So both homo soveiticus and drumpfkins are rural and suburban retards and they like Russia. Really makes you think.

>The ussr until collapse provided stability.

kek, the same old projection, it never gets old. Yes, people had a certain kind of job stability back then - as in being forced by the state into labor that was not of your choosing - and they did have a stable income, but to what avail? You tend to omit the fact that shops back then were virtually non-existent (a pair of jeans would literally put you on a watch list), you had to wait in endless queues to buy meat or milk etc. People had a job that they did not like, they were monitored all the time, any "offensive" language would put them in jail - yet it was stable. Everything was stable, goy, don't you worry.

I'd rather drag my dick through a mountain of glass than to live another day in a Socialist shithole.

They'll keep cock blocking him to infinity, they can't risk alienating Romania - most people don't get this, but the amount of money that has been poured in Moldova is immense, there's no future Romanian foreign policy without Moldova at its side (be it via the EU or by annexation). Dodon is just a play-figure that got elected mainly because the liberal pro-EU opposition in Moldova is as braindead as the Romanian counterpart.

Politicians are not involved in this. This is all national security policy - for Moldova and Romania as well.

>implying Romanians are pure white Übermensch
You just need to make them drop all this larping

They needed judges to tell them what language they speak

Russia touched a patch of land. It's now an african tier banana republic.

I don't understand why do you care about Transnistria, it's a commie creation. Has nothing to do with Moldova.

Because USSR and muh russophille satellite state

he doesn't care, check his post here Trasnistria and Gagauzia should be left aside as soon as possible, give them autonomy or whatever, nobody fucking cares. At best, it would open a new front on the Ukrainian scenario, at worst it will be just another two irrelevant micro-socialist republics that nobody gives a fuck about.

>cede Transnistria and Gagauzia
That's opening a Pandora box that Moldova and EU can't control.

Ceding them is the worst geopolitical and strategic mistake we could do.
Also, Gagauzia is a fake state made on Moldovan land, with turks imported from Khazakstana and settled there.
They should be deported back to where they came from and the rightful owners given their lands back.
The survivors of those deportations and ethnic cleansings some still live, others have children that can inherit those rights.

Transnistria is the only issue. Removing it doesn't make the issue disappear, legally and strategically.
Also, you can't give it to Ukraine, even if both sides wanted, because Russia and international treaties.

Transnistria is part of Moldova, whether we like it or not.

2/2

After than Transnistria asked for help from Russia and they gave them some minimal help and placed there their army to ensure their security. Because of that after-Maidan Ukraine don't like them very much and sometime even does a moves to support Moldova/Romania in their claims against Transnistria.

The problem of Moldova is that it can't took back Transnistria and don't want to throw it away. And since they still tries to hold Transnistria it creates unstability for them as a state and adds problems to the reunification with Romania. Both Moldova and Transnistria are poor as fuck (but you probably already know that).

Consuming Moldova will also cost Romania a lot and Romanians just don't feel like they ready to pay for Moldovians (and Slavs if they will fail to expel them from Transnistria and still keep it). Relationship between Romanians and Moldovians is also a very strange things. They are very alike and Romanians kinda feel attached to them, but at the same time they hate them. Like really hate a lot. If you wan't to hear something really bad about Moldovians - you ask about them Romanians. Many Moldovians does feel about Romanians the same, and may still miss old Soviet times (they even elected pro-Russian president for some reason).

I don't think there will change anything in the next.. like, century? or two? East European are just too dumb and proudful to solve such problems in a wise way, nor they can solve them by the force once and for all.

Moldavians are NOT romanians. They USED to be romanian, but after them being taken over by the USSR the got forced displacement of people.

Most of them use the cyrillic alphabet and speak russian. They don't identify as romanian unless they cash in on the benefits.

Romania is paying shitload of money to Moldova for some unknown reason. They probably hope moldova will cease being russian. Yet, moldavians abuse the visas and the benefit systems only to finally go to moscow for work or some where else.

Moldova also has a russian army and a significant russian population on its territory.

Unifying with Moldova means we get the russian's attention and army within our borders. Consider the excuse used for the invasion of Crimeea, and multiply it by 10. That's how you lose a country.

So no, Moldavians are NOT romanians anymore. If they want to become romanians they will have to work for it, but they are too dumb and lazy to do so.

>Romania has NEVER annexed anything
Why do you have so many gyp^W Hungarians than?

And you did annexed Bessarabia for a short interwar period and during WWII.

Whatever, reunited with Moldova. Don't be so butthurt.

Dude Moldova is a hell hole. I know a guy who does aid work there and on multiple occasions parents have offered sex with their children to him for money. They aren't even gypsies they literally just live in abject poverty. Their houses are just cinderblocks and cement.

People sell their organs or become slaves for the Turkish mafia just to keep their families alive.

>Transnistria is part of Moldova, whether we like it or not.

Trasnistria was never part of the Kingdom of Romania

>Transnistria became an autonomous political entity in 1924 with the proclamation of the Moldavian ASSR, which included today's Transnistria (4,000 km2) and an adjacent area (9,000 km2) around the city of Balta in modern-day Ukraine, but nothing from Bessarabia, which at the time formed part of Romania.

The entire region was started as a landing point for USSR invasions - it was incorporated into Moldova in a wrongfully matter and the entire war that started back in the 90's was actually a proxy war between Russia and Romania, mainly because the latter saw the proclamation of independence of Moldova as a reason to re-unify the countries. If not for the 14th Russian Army Division, we would have reunified since the 90s.

I don't understand why do you care about Crimea/Donbass, it's a commie creation. Has nothing to do with Ukraine.

kek

>And you did annexed Bessarabia
Basarabia, because of Lenin's laws in 1918, freed itself from Russian Tsar Empire and they were allowed to unite with Romania.
>Why do you have so many gyp^W Hungarians than?
Illegal turkic immigrants from Altai and Mongolia. They are to us what mexicans are to americans.
>and during WWII.
We took it back after Germany and Russia forced us to give Bucovina, South Moldova and Basarabia to Stalinigger.
Then we lost it like Germany lost Prussia.

No one except Russia recognizes Transnistria as a separate state.

This means that Moldova can't just leave Transnistria behind and join Romania. We both have to recognize it first.

Also dont forget that Moldova has another semi-autonomous region in the south inhabited by some made-up soviet ethnic group. Those could declare independence if we reunite.

Also keep in mind that when homo sovieticus occupied that land it colonized russians into it's cities and towns while keeping the Romanians as an agrarian rural population.

So now we have to face a potential rusdian rebellion in each major city of Moldova if reunification happens.

I support reunification but it wont be easy and it can't be done by western means. We have to be prepeared for violence with the slav scum.

Plus you are not so innocent as you say.

You have literally zero claim on Odessa.

>Trasnistria was never part of the Kingdom of Romania
I said PART OF MOLDOVA, not part of K.O.R., invata sa citesti.
Legally, they're binded to Moldova, Ukraine can't take them, Moldova can't give up on them because of Constitutions, treaties and geopolitical context, nigger.

Whatever, reunited with Russia. Don't be so butthurt.

Sobachie serdce level problem solving.

Sounds like you didnt live in ussr. You were probably born in 95

We might not have claim, but all war records show that the Odessian population that lived under Romanian occupation had a far better life than any other possible prospects.

>The Romanian administration of Transnistria attempted to stabilise the situation in the region during the occupation. To this end, it opened all churches, previously closed down by the Soviets. In 1942-1943, 2,200 primary schools were organized in the region, including 1,677 Ukrainian, 311 Romanian, 150 Russian, 70 German and 6 Bulgarian. 117 middle and high schools were opened, including 65 middle schools, 29 technical high schools, and 23 academic high schools. Theaters were opened in Odessa and Tiraspol, as well as several museums, libraries, and cinemas throughout the region. On 7 December 1941, the University of Odessa was reopened with 6 faculties - medicine, polytechnical, law, sciences, languages and agricultural engineering

>Of Odessa’s population, scarcely 200,000 remained; many had hidden in the vicinity while some had sought safety in the countryside. And some had left westward with the Romanians and Germans: only those most compromised had left; the bulk of the residents had stayed in the region. People feared Soviet repressions, but "there was no other way out", according to German sources.

Everybody feared the eternal Bolshevik Mongol

>rferl
literally cia

German compensation for Transilvania.

They dropped this claims to be able to join EU and NATO (they actually ware keeping them even during pro-Soviet period). That why Ukraine will never join them - they don't take countries that have unresolved territorial conflicts.

He's right. The problem with communism/socialism is not the stability.

People actually crave the stability in those days. Immagine the prices being so stable for years that they stamped the price into the metal of products. Can you? I'm sure you can't.

BUT the people were brainwashed out of initiative and entrepreneurship. They were told to depend on the state.

And when free market hit in the 90s, most people didn't understand what was happening, and voted for some sort of soft socialism to keep the semblance of the old life.

>You have literally zero claim on Odessa.
This is debatable, as neither ukrainians nor romanians were first there.
But we were there before you thousands of years, if you want to discuss claims.

During WW2, we never wanted to annex that enlarged Transnistria, read up on Antonescu's journals and documents, we wanted to take back our rightful ethnic land from Hungary and Basarabia from Russia.
What you see there was a temporary occupation, we deported people in Transnistria and wanted it either in ukrainian posesion or as an independent state for jews.

We literally did not genocide our jews, we saved around 400,000 romanian jews and many other polish jews, but we kept ours from the germans. We had to make concessions, so we deported them but didn't allow them to die.
Here is President of Israle Shimon Peres thanking Romania.
youtube.com/watch?v=EO7epcOrQ74

You sound like a civcuck nationalist

A fascist party would work so well in Romania. All you have to do is not be corrupt, have nice aesthetics (think GI), help out local communities and you'd win.

Hows that extra chromosome?

I remember in ussr jobs were plenty and there wasnt breadlines. That happened after the collapse.

>. All you have to do is not be corrupt, have nice aesthetics (think GI)
>tfw we had Garda de Fier and Legiunea Arhanghelului Mihail long before G.I. was a thing, in 1930's.
>tfw Codreanu was our Mosley, Rockwell, Evola in one man. A walking "Deus Vult !" ethnocentric christian romanian.

>But we were there
There was no state to have a claim. Some tribes don't count. First state was principality of Moldavia, it wasn't part of it.

>Everybody feared the eternal Bolshevik Mongol
Doesn't mean it should be part of Romania. It's Ukrainian land.
Fuck off, novosos!!!

In theory, yea. In practice, not so much, mainly because the current political parties are deeply trenched in the territory, with literally millions of voters at their call (via church/social welfare/low education etc). You'd have to have limitless funds in order to ignite a fascist spark as fast as possible - and you need fast because in a couple of years, you'll have no country to govern due to falling demographics/people leaving the country for good/economy going to shit.

tl;dr all is for the taking, but there's no time

Traiasca Arhangelul, Garda si Capitanul!

Not really. Mah old Ukrainian and Modlovian relatives all hated Romania. They did said a lot of good thing about Germans, but about Romanians they told only bad stuff. Once German soldier even protected them from Romanians.

Romania did aggressive assimilation of population. Slav males ware forbidden to take education, only Slavs girls were allowed to go to school and there they ware taught that they are Romanian and not Slav. Ukrainian and Russian languages ware forbidden and mah grandma was beaten few times for being caught speaking Ukrainian.

And Moldavians often get even more problems than Slavs. Romanians despised Slavs, but for Moldovians there was some wicked hatred. Moldovian caught hanging with fellow Slavs risked to be beaten to near-death.

Nobody didn't liked Romanian rule there.

This.

Dunno, man.. you'll have to tell me all about it.

Regarding communism.. remember, we're talking here about moldova and other communist countries that got stuck.

The glaznost / perestroika things were not applied everywhere. The fall of the soviet union let all the local governments at the mercy of their existing political clique and mentality.

However the demography remained.

That's what happened to Moldova

Gopnik, pls. Why do you think Romania should drop Transnistria, while you don't want to drop Crimea? Would you really did that if you were Romanian yourself?

But don't bother to answer. I already got the point that you are retarded.

Fascism is banned in Romania. Not in Moldova, but most of Moldovans are socialists, not one nationalist/fascist party in sight

nice strawman argument you have over there. Show me the war records, I'll believe you then - for now, I'll stick to the German and Romanian records that clearly show that as long as the population was submissive (as in any god damn war), they would strive and prosper under the occupation. I don't really care about your Soviet-induced propaganda - after all, Ukraine still has Romanian core territory that has been illegally incorporated by the USSR + more than 400.000 ethnic Romanians that are forced to study in Ukraine, not in their own language.

For all I care, I wish only the worst for your artificial state - it has brought nothing but problems for the Balkans and I, for one, cannot wait for the entire region to balkanize completely.

Ukrainian*

Romania is still 80% Romanian. You can still survive and many that have left can return. You have a decade or more time.

Once a European people are awoken there's little they can't do.

A party that survives off people working for the sake of their people rather than money will always be better. Get volunteers together, go door to door speaking to people hearing them out and giving them a real option for change. Go to parks and clean them up, help your rural elderly, have a heavy online presence and you can win over the youth. Which is what you really need.

I don't mean out and out fascist I mean Identitairian or ethno pluralist.

Transnistria isn't even part of Romania for them to drop it, you fool. And it belongs to Ukraine, historically.
Crimea shouldn't be dropped, because it will go to Russia, which is unacceptable. Russia must be balkanized for the good of the whole World.

Nigger I lived in under socialism dont tell me what was and what wasnt. What really happened was the jews came in and after collapse took all our shit and bought out everything.

>And it belongs to Ukraine, historically.

Wrong. Trasnistria was actually formed as a country well before Ukraine.

>Transnistria became an autonomous political entity in 1924 with the proclamation of the Moldavian ASSR, which included today's Transnistria (4,000 km2) and an adjacent area (9,000 km2) around the city of Balta in modern-day Ukraine, but nothing from Bessarabia, which at the time formed part of Romania. One of the reasons for the creation of the Moldavian ASSR was the desire of the Soviet Union at the time to eventually incorporate Bessarabia.

How can a piece of land belong to you if technically your country didn't even exist back then? Everything was SSR back then, it was all USSR.

>Slav gypsy wants to be more like gypsy gypsy
>we gypsy gypsy are better than the slav gypsy
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