Why are the top intellectuals across so many mentally-demanding fields like math, physics, etc. so liberal/left-leaning?

Why are the top intellectuals across so many mentally-demanding fields like math, physics, etc. so liberal/left-leaning?
Is it mostly because of socialization? Are they actually just right?

Top intellectuals are usually idealists.
Engineers are to a much higher degree more fiscally conservative.

If the "right" in the US weren't so balls to the walls retarded when it comes to certain issues like climate change, maybe you'd have more of these guys on your side

grants

they're right. populism relies on emotional arguments. mentally-demanding fields requires one to keep them under control and think clearly

Even in other countries they're still left-wing and liberal.
Check out how many scientists/philosophers, elites in general, etc. in the UK supported/voted Remain as opposed to leave.

Because they want a paycheck, so they will say what Schlomo needs them to say about politics.

My experience is that a lot of them don't really have actual positions on many of the identity/immigration/race/etc. issues that we discuss here at all. These are not things that they have contemplated to any extent, so their "views" tend to be recitations of the prevailing order around them. At a university, that will tend to be the generic leftist position du jour. This doesn't actually mean they have any firm commitment to those positions, however. Nor does it mean they could defend those positions very well against an actual educated debater.

>Engineers are to a much higher degree more fiscally conservative.
who cares about fiscally conservatism

People who have jobs with decent pay, like engineers.
But to be fair most engineers in Denmark support the welfare state, but there's also a limit to how high taxes we see as fair.

It's not necessarily because they were "left-wing" beforehand. The "elites" at least in academia voted remain because they are know how much the EU influences research here. Funding, much less bureaucracy, closer cooperation with the rest of Europe, and departments filled with all sorts of EU nationals. Not to mention that a lot of support comes from the industry, and if companies start leaving for France or Germany or whatever because it'd be easier to do business with the rest of Europe, it would obviously hurt this support.
And by support I don't mean wages, but actually doing work, which in engineering/science requires plenty of funding. You cut that, you don't get shit.

t. EU national in academia here who will likely fuck off along with plenty others in a couple of years

The smartest man in the world is literally Sup Forums incarnate.

How does that make you feel?

>literally nobody

Still literally the smartest man in the world.

He can see logical patterns quicker and more correctly than everyone else.

>literally has accomplished nothing of worth

The climate is changing only because the Earth Mother is a sentient being and is trying to rid herself of the blight known as humanity.

> Smartest man in the world
> Has nothing to show for himself
Why would anybody presume that he's smarter than Terence Tao, Leonard Susskind, or a huge list of accomplished physicists, mathematicians, materials scientists, computer scientists, theoretical biologists, etc.?

>le need to do something to be smart

Hello brainlets.

Intelligence isn't bound to accomplishments in a societal system, it's bound to the observations of the systems in place that we know and don't know.

Behold a cat.

having knowledge of one field doesn't necessarily make you knowledgeable about others

people who have no reason to question the validity of the system have no reason to take the redpill

>Intelligence isn't bound to accomplishments in a societal system
Yeah, but it sure as hell helps a lot more than excusing yourself with this argument

Most of them have no deep knowledge of political and economic matters but simply figure that since they're really smart they should be in charge. The political and economic departments are taken over by dedicated leftist scum.

They cheat and lie like Hellery

Nail on the head right here

Because the right-leaning portion of them is intelligent enough to know that they should hide their power level

Because they avoid conflict. They just want to do their kwick maffs and be left in peace.

It's because they are typically quite successful in life and don't have to live around niggers, their success blinds them from the harsh reality of the world.

>Success in mentally-demanding fields is highly correlated with intelligence (duh)
>Intelligence is highly correlated with the Big 5 personality trait "Openness to experience" (it's actually one of its two aspects -- DeYoung, C. G., Quilty, L. C., & Peterson, J. B. Between facets and domains: 10 aspects of the Big Five.)
>Big 5 personality trait "Openness to experience" is correlated with socially liberal political views (J. B. Hirsh, C. G. DeYoung, Xiaowen Xu, J. B. Peterson. Compassionate Liberals and Polite Conservatives: Associations of Agreeableness With Political Ideology and Moral Values)

hurr look at me im so smort
i eat my toenail clippins to prove im a rebel

Because however smart you are, that is your baseline level for imagining how in control OTHER people are of their emotions, how capable they are of acting reasonably.
If everybody was entirely rational and capable of thinking long term then socialism would work.
So intellectuals in fields like maths or physics truly think everyone is capable of acting rather selflessly, or rather they underestimate how many utter wastes of human genome there are in the world.

They also, being smart and projecting that on others, truly underestimate how lazy normies would be if enough welfarebucks were too easy to get.
Since they would keep working even if there was an alternative to get paid for literally doing nothing, they assume others would as well, but the majority of people don't have the same obession that they have.

You know many right wingers who back the idea of free trade voted remain, because it is a good cheap deal to be part of the EU?

brexit will damage the UK economy massively - all top executives and big business organisations came out against it, bar a few real nutters. Who will soon be learning why they were wrong...

(note many lefties voted leave because they think the Eu is too right wing and capitalist...)

Academics voted remain because it is the smart thing to do, and they are smart people

While i think the red-pilled ratio among STEM graduates is high, most of them live too much of a sheltered life to actually take notice of current affairs. Unless you're willing to put in the time and research shit you're just gonna absorb the news as it's served to you: biased as shit.

This. When you become smart enough to see truths like picture related, you can see what's true and what's not everywhere else.

they're not

the most brilliant scientists were/are Nazis

Here is the actual answer:
Individuals which disconnect from what is going on around them and focus on their internal world are normally more skilled in these areas. Also the top intellectuals tend to be those which have completely devoted their lives to a particular field at the expense of being even more disconnected from the tangible every day reality outside of their fields. Also you start seeing a significant lack of emotional/intuition based common sense and more self-absorbed theory from those in these areas when you get to the top.

>hasty generalization
>non sequitur

No wonder you believe falsehoods.

SO Einstein, Pauli, Schrodinger,Oppenheimer, Hawking, Cavendish, Maxwell, Boyle, Pascal, et al were Nazis?

wow. they never told me that in physics class.

THIS THIS THIS

I'm in academia, and it is a very protected and safe space. Sure, the work load is a problem, but there are no people threatening violence or stealing, or packs of niggers causing problems. And all the people around you are reasonable and argue with words, and not their fists. So academics are incredibly socially naive.

You have obviously never been at a pub quiz in a university common room. those guys know lots of stuff outside their fields.

Cool story bro

Because they don't learn economics, they avoid money and business like the plague, that's like selling out. They don't care about independence, they just want to be taken care of like a pet so they can be free to work on their projects, which from their perspective are the biggest problems the world has ever faced.
They also happen to be wedged in with the humanities nutjobs, who basically whisper communism into their gullible egotistic ears.
That said, they can think clearly and will debate rationally, so talk straight facts and they will be allies, unless they are pseudo-intellectuals.

> muh nazis

Intellectuals are very powerful thinkers in their field and believe that their expertise extends into politics and society, when it does not. Due to their achievements in intelligence in a small slice of human knowledge, they incorrectly assume that they can branch into other areas with just as much success. Furthermore, they are great idealists.

These two factors combine to push them to want to create a better society. They lash out against the free market, which is controlled chaos, in which random chance can sometimes play too large a role for their liking. They seek to use their intelligence to construct a better society that brings happiness to a larger number of people than capitalism. In so doing they cause more problems than they solve, as it is the unpredictability of capitalism that enables so many to become successful. But they can't accept this truth and believe in their ability to make things better than they are. It's a classic "if only I was in charge".

Obviously for them to effectively be in charge requires centralized control over life and country, i.e., socialism or communism.

What was the point on changing symbols in the phi function?

>Why are the top intellectuals across so many mentally-demanding fields like math, physics, etc. so liberal/left-leaning?

What?

They aren't at all. Most of the liberal leaning comes from sociology which makes up 80% of the university undergraduates because it's so easy and dumb.

1. Many brilliant people are not sheltered or in academia.

2. Academia has plenty of unintelligent people as well.

Also, see Thomas Sowell, "Intellectuals and Society". The book is dedicated to answering this very question.

Heisenberg were actually bad at calculating things lmao
It's because of him that the nazis didn't try to refine uranium with a centrifuge because they thought they needed to much uranium.
Simply because of an error of calculation.

/thread, that's exactly it.
If you got to know the nerds in school you'd probably have a grasp on this already. They are so consumed by their interest they don't realize how fucking awful and ignorant most people are. They think that the terrible people they met are exceptions, and most of those people usually get filtered out the higher they get in education. They get isolated from lazy retards more and more so they have no reason to doubt a utopian world-view like straight socialism etc.

I don't think these people are anything. They just do what they love.

I was making the point to someone I was teaching that variable names can be changed for convenience as long as the correct relationships between them are maintained.

I never said they didn't know anything outside their fields.... I said they were disconnected from the tangible every day reality... there is a difference. There can be academic understanding and theorizing but overall it's a disconnected approach vs experiencing firsthand....

Literally "hurr eninstein failed high school XDD" tier facts

Because they aren't fucking stupid you dummy.

I love seeing you retards try to rationalize your stupid beliefs against people who base their understanding of the world purely on facts and data.

muh niggers commit more crime falsified data

>actually just right
low T, and weak body
high agreeableness
low social standing

they wanna be carried by the crowd

>come smart enough to see truths
>FUCKING CALCULUS 3

THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF AMERICAN EDUCATION

For funding.
They never vote the way they say they do.

>falsified data

That's a spicy claim you've got there.

>Why are the top intellectuals across so many mentally-demanding fields like math, physics, etc. so liberal/left-leaning?
Nope, not true. Slide thread.

Because they have not spent any time in the real world.

Unless you mean these intellectuals?

I've been alive long enough to remember the past 5 climate scares and survived all of the apocalypses they predicted just fine. Climate change is a religious belief not founded on any kind of science.

Intellectuals who spend their time in imagination places lack the real world experience or exposure to foreign ideas. Someone studying physics isn't going to be around negros or spics. They're going to be around the top 1% of whites and asians. This bubble makes them believe in idealistic lies because they never have a reason to question them/

liberal arts is dominated by jewish and feminists bullying supported by our governments.
the sciences are usually one apple plus one apple equals two apples.

>look what I learned in school today guys!

lol

not an argument

heres a tip:

>just because you can do math good it doesnt mean you know shit about shit.

scientists just want leftwingers because they give more gibs to research.

They possess the ability for critical thinking. The GOP platform doesn't stand a chance.

Who wants to make force against the flow if you want to go down the river?

>I've been alive long enough to remember the past 5 climate scares and survived all of the apocalypses they predicted just fine. Climate change is a religious belief not founded on any kind of science.
>the left doesn't like facts and figures and relies on muh feeling!!!!!!!

Correct answer.
Anyone who recieves gibs becomes a lefty

what does it say?
I can't read Korean

They don't necessarily, but you learn to keep your opinions to yourself when the physics department building is next to the gender studies faculty. When all you want to do is figure out the secrets to the universe without being bothered by some shouty purple fat blob who looks like grimace from Mc donalds.

>1. Many brilliant people are not sheltered or in academia.

OP is specifically talking about people in academia. And yes, they are sheltered.

>2. Academia has plenty of unintelligent people as well.

And?

I was teaching that. Now you tell me with words exactly what I was showing the student on that piece of paper.

...

reminder that you're just another brainlet if you haven't read tao's analysis 1 or can't solve all the exercizes

Science isn't business you retards. You don't get immediate returns, so you need these "gibs" if you want to do anything. But of course, you scanning my shit at Tesco are being much more useful to society because you don't need no gibs.

a lot of business is psychology
there is a string to follow that is science like in psychology (the rest is liberal arts).

Tru. I really enjoy his books. He has has an excellent expository style although his exercises are pretty much a joke contrary to what you'd expect.

I'm sure you know what it means then, so you should have no problem explaining it to the lesser folk around here.

>science
>psychology

well, it's an introductory book, though i also think that there's too many hints for the slightly more difficult exercizes in the book

I have a yellow shirt exactly like that

>And?
(You)

>Why are intellectuals left-leaning
Why are successful people right leaning?

They require government grants to do their work. Leftism is blatant self interests for academics

Because Republicans will pass the taxes to the poor people.

>80% of the university undergraduates
not in any country in the world.

lies

see

>most of those people usually get filtered out the higher they get in education
lol. you have never been in a University administration then? the top professors, Deans, Vice Chancellors, etc are all fucking psychopathic bastards.

power hungry ego maniac selfish moneygrubbers with no empathy or social skills.

At leas in the Uk where I was in universities as a lecturer for 14 years

No you weren't faggot. Your BS was called out. Go back to the brainlet containment board

Because of the echo chamber and because their livelihood depends on the state.

>“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

/thread
It's the same across academia, public broadcasting, civil service, even the military. All about the gibs.

probably because they're closet faggots

Newsflash: "top intellectuals" are idiots about most things just like you, me and everyone else.

>5 climate scares
?
please enumerate them? 5?

>t. coping

Are you really this much of a pretentious fucknut?

You really think I dont know that you're finding the tangent vectors to a function and then using the cross product to find the tangent plane?

You need to get your head out of your own ass, man. If you really aren't trying to act smart by posting that on here, than I'm sorry, but you mustve known we were gonna make fun of you because it certainly looked that way.

Also, unless you have Parkinson's, is it really that hard write on straight lines?

Tao's Analysis is literally for brainlets

>I can't explain a difficult math problem, so I resort to ad hominem, lol, I'm brilliant!

The more you learn and study the more disassociation is bred for your surroundings and society because you think reading and calculating equations will somehow fill up any gap that a collapsed white society would bring upon, the gist.