they simply wont be in prison until the trial they can't travel and will be deported then gassed anyway
Juan Perry
It goes to show that there was no reason whatsoever to put the catalan ministers in jail. That in turn goes to show that there's no functioning justice system in Spain.
Sorry if that triggers you, Manolete.
Cameron Fisher
soc mes catala que tu puta escoria andalusa
Samuel Hill
B O T I F L E R O T I F L E R
Xavier Howard
OP, do you consider yourself Latino/Hispanic?
Cooper Ortiz
ves a dormir que dema has d'anar a treballar per pagarme la renda garantia de ciutadania
Aiden Green
Just how long will the EU look the other way?
Levi Reyes
whats this user? you got bullied in forocarros?
Easton Morales
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Mason Johnson
Assange has no clue about what is happening in Spain, like most Anglos.
Puigdemont and his government went against Spanish legality, what are the Spaniard judges supposed to do?
The Spanish constitution allows for referendums, Puigdemont refused doing the referendum the way it is stated in the Spanish constitution.
Does Asange ignore that?
Henry Johnson
Everyone of (((them))) and their organizations are against us and this is redpilling normies hard. Meanwhile Manolos are forced to side with the globalists so they will go to the grave together. What a timeline.
Robert Ward
Cateto
Gavin Gutierrez
>Puigdemont refused doing the referendum the way it is stated in the Spanish constitution I see you're the clueless here so I'll give you the chance to explain what is the legal way to do it.
Wyatt Sullivan
t. wagecuck
Angel Rogers
Why didn't Catalonia follow the law when it came to do the referendum and chooses to do it by illegal means and in doing so not giving any kind of legal guarantees as it is stated in the Spanish constitution?
Why are the Catalonians lying?
Luis Davis
there is no legal way just like there is no legal way to kill your parents
Christopher Scott
one possible explanation is that they're in a hurry now because in 2018 andorra will give all bank records the the spanish justice
Brody Powell
>Puigdemont and his government went against Spanish legality, what are the Spaniard judges supposed to do? First: they aren't in jail because they've been convicted, they are in jail "preventively", a measure that is only to be used if there's danger of flight (there isn't because they never missed a court date), of violence (obv not) and of reiteration of the same crime (impossible because they've been deposed of their positions). Saying that Puigdemont going to Belgium shows risk of flight is a non-argument because the law does not foresee collective responsibility. The decision of the belgian judge has made it absolutely clear that there's no reason for the ministers to be jailed.
B T F O T F O
Grayson Moore
Read the Constitution faggot.
Jonathan Gray
>Why didn't Catalonia follow the law when it came to do the referendum and chooses to do it by illegal means there are no legal means because the spanish government didn't allow said referendum.
Cameron Myers
>oh look it's this meme again
Jace Rogers
Then explain why Rajoy called for elections this year and not in 2018. Makes no sense Manolo.
Jason Peterson
no seceding from the union sorry. looks like your politicians will be held accountable for the 3% after all
Blake Adams
Wow we are such cucks
Noah Perez
Catacucks want to start Civil War II in Spain so their local politicians can enjoy their 6% with impunity, without these pesky Spanish National courts getting in the way.
Jeremiah Edwards
Wow Powerful :')
Oliver Peterson
Yeah they said the same about your ex-province Cuba.
Kayden Ward
Stop lying, The Catacuck govern just decided to do fuck they wanted.
William Foster
Enlighten us, what would be the legal way to get a referendum on independence? Getting a two thirds majority in parliament with 16% of population?
Christian Sullivan
You retard. They let them free with charges, they confiscated their passports. The extradiction process last about 30 days, so the judge just let them free instead of keeping theim all this time in a jail.
Benjamin Foster
I'd rather get robbed by a Pujol than pay for the welfare of a Manolo desu.
Cooper Lee
S T O P S U P P O R T I N G T R E A S O N
Joseph Robinson
guess you dont know history at all
Dominic Barnes
Why did the spanish judge jail the catalan ministers then?
Ayden Johnson
aw shucks looks like you get robbed and pay welfare for trannies and moors instead
Jace Allen
>La existencia política de Cuba como provincia española es una verdad profundamente arraigada en todos los corazones. El día en que, por desgracia, deja de serlo, se hundiría en un abismo insondable, donde desaparecería su ilustración, su riqueza y su porvenir. No llegará, sin duda este evento, por que Cuba es eminentemente española, y esto basta para demostrar que será siempre noble y agradecida; porque así lo exigen la índole del país y la sangre que circula por las venas de sus amantes hijos. >Editorial del Diario de la Marina del 15 de diciembre de 1868.
Julian Adams
te has respondido a ti mismo subnormal. en 1868 crees que estaba la constitucion actual?
Lucas Jones
Reported for not english. Also, are you implying in 1868 the constitution DIDN'T foresee the indissoluble unity of Spain? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA C U C K
just to state the obvious, these people are >for democracy >they're in favor of a communist state in case you didnt realise they're paid shills from the cucktalan government
Liam Ward
>a measure that is only to be used if there's danger of flight (there isn't because they never missed a court date)
Are you high? Puigdemont and other members of the govern literally escaped to another country to avoid Spanish justice. Puigdemont wanted to do the court date via Skype which was not allowed by the judge so he did miss the court date.
Michael King
The thing is that referendum is baseless and against the homeland and its people overall. Spain does good in not recognizing it and should treat the attempts of secession as what they are: pure sedition. In the UK, Scotland is an actual country, so you can see why they allowed it. In Spain, Catalonia is an integral part of Spain since 1400 something. Additionally, Catalonians seem like selfish arrogant twats wanting to break off mainly because they are better off than other parts of Spain.
Joshua Martinez
Read my post again you illiterate tard. There's no such thing as collective responsibility like you're implying. It goes completely against the most basic concepts of the law to pretend that because one of the accused acted in some way it means the others will, too. >hurr respect the law >proceeds to shit on the law nicely done
Jonathan Gonzalez
its a scheme to cover up a corruption plot. the little commie on the street thinks its an actual movement beyond that
Kevin Young
If it doesn't recognize the referendum then it sees it as a pointless mobilization, which in turn would be protected by the constitutional precepts of free speech and freedom of protest.
Jaxon Perez
Didn't Spain lose Cuba mainly as result of losing the war with the US though?
Jace Richardson
Can a Catalanon translate this for Anglophones?
Jordan Diaz
>Catalonian >Calling cuck someone
Austin Moore
I am amazed that any spaniard thinks that these actions are acceptable or even rational. At least you idiots are showing that the EU is useless and doesn't actually stand for anything when push comes to shove
William Cook
Yes and no. The US eventually entered the cuban war of independence. They basically took advantage of the conflict, but the conflict was started by cuban separatism. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_War_of_Independence
I'll make an edit, gimme a few minutes.
Nicholas Brooks
Sssshhhh! he think the historical context dosnt matter! let it be innocent.
Leo Williams
lmao you're just mad that you couldn't get criminal hillary to jail while we did it
Dylan Clark
Thank you Catalanon. Also, "Catalanon" is pretty catchy.
Wyatt Gonzalez
Well, in that case, follow Cuba's example and start an armed insurrection. It's clear Spain won't let you go without shedding blood, so your independence is to be earned by war.
Mason Brooks
>takes money from plutocrats to benefit self or >gets imprisoned for sedition because I don't like voting There are many arguments you can have about legality but the actions taken against the voters were unacceptable.
Luis Evans
Catalonia, this is your chance to make the white ethnostate a reality.
Don't fucking blow it.
Sebastian Moore
>I went to a spanish school, they told me that Machado just "died" and that Lorca went on holiday when the war broke out.
Xavier Allen
catalonia will never have what it takes to be independent. spainistan will own it forever because you are FUCKING LEFTISTS. if it was a right wing movement there would be arms involved, and shit would turn out diferently. you should all be ashamed of littering pol with your shitty flag
Nathaniel Young
If you get your independence: 1. I will not recognize you. 2. I'll expell you from the EU. 3. You will have to pay a big debt.
Point 1 is not compatible with points 2 and 3.
Shit!
Cooper Russell
so the police comes with a warrant, you disobey them but somehow you're in the right? makes sense if you were a dirty antifa squating in someone's home
Bentley Wilson
lmao if anything this just means that the whole Catalonia's independence is an EU plot
Luis Young
Spaniggers are very low iq and can't into 4D chess so all their reactions to anything is oogabooga tier.
Jeremiah Morgan
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Jacob Cook
>chimping out is ok I'm ok if you want to argue that arresting every single person who voted is ok. That has nothing to do with the absolute chimp out of the police and if anything will be one of the major factors on the side of Catalan
Charles James
Catalanon delivers.
Wyatt Brown
again, they were occupying public spaces for something ilegal, the police came with the proper warrant, they refused to clear out if you that because you're a commie or your junkie friends need someplay to shoot heroin it's wrong, but if it's for a memereferendum then it's fine huh?
Aaron Gutierrez
Based Catalanon. I wish you luck in creating your ethnostate. Godspeed and fuck Spain.
Jordan Gray
Sure, let the entire country of Spain decide the future of Catalonia, forget the Catalonians.
Sure, let the entire continent of Europe decide the future of the United Kingdom, forget the British.
>Fascism >Dictation
Pick both
Ian Thompson
How can something you're not recognizing as such be illegal? It's as if I were stealing something that you yourself admit desn't belong to you, and afterwards you get pissed that I took it.
Levi Lopez
cheers burgerbro. nice to see that not everyone here is a bootlicker to the corrupt spanish government.
Andrew Peterson
Catalonia will rise again
Connor Jones
No dude, you didnt went to a Spanish School, you went to a shit tier school, maybe that is why you are so delusional
Zachary Long
I will explain this in excruciating detail since it seems you are unable to grasp the finer points of the english language. You can arrest every single one of the voters, but you have to do it properly. You talk about how they aren't doing things legally and then don't care when the police don't act legally but its ok because the boot just tastes so good.
William Edwards
they didn't recognize the voting? say what? then why would they send the police? stop with the bath salts, it simply was ilegal, just one more case of retarded catalan cuckalectics, always the same shit
Nolan Thompson
The problem is at the root with a corrupt system in Spain that doesn't allow nations to seek their independence. So then all the excuses can be made because "it's in the constitution", "judges are following the law", "police are following judges' orders", etc. And this part is right but since the origin is where there is the problem then everything else that follows is bullshit. If you make it impossible for the people to vote to decide how they want to be governed then you're in the wrong no matter how many times you say "b-but muh illegal referendum".
Xavier Roberts
I went to the german school of Barcelona m8
Leo Taylor
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Joshua Sanders
Kek, this situation has made for some great entertainment so far.
Ryan Hall
Didn t know that assagne was retarded
Julian Hill
they were trespassing, they did not comply with the police, they had to be removed by the use of force, period
Liam Perry
>catalan cuckalectics okay, let's be clear here:
SPAIN SENT THE POLICE TO SCARE PEOPLE OFF FROM VOTING
THEY LITERALLY GAVE THE ORDER TO BE VIOLENT SO PEOPLE WOULD BE AFRAID OF VOTING
CATALAN POLICE CLOSED DOWN MORE THAN TWICE AS MANY POLLING STATIONS AS ALL THE SPANISH POLICE COMBINED, WITHOUT VIOLENCE
The only cuckalectics are you bootlickers repeating the PP argumentary over and over again. Sucks if you can't form arguments by yourself.
Chase Hernandez
Wtf? What is the eu supposed to do?
They broke the spanish constitution and they are going to be jailed for that.
Why should the eu do anything?
Nicholas Sanders
that's literaly how a state should work, I want my own independe to not pay taxes for all the shit i don't agree with, so 100% in favor, legitimate?
nanu ves a ferme una caserulada siusplau
Daniel Bell
If they teach you that i dont care if is german or whatever or if is located in the moon, if they teach you that its a shit tier school for teach you lies.
You get a shitty education. in your """spanish school""" Probably you thrusted that lies and now you are believe in the separatist lies, what a poor guy, an entire life beliving in bullshit.
Jace Bennett
Using violence indiscriminately against your own population like what happened on Oct. 1st is literally a reason to throw a country out of the EU.
Carson Robinson
Ok, then stop pretending you care about the law. The law has specific guidelines on how police are supposed to handle themselves and those were obviously not followed in the "enforcement" of the law during the referendum.
Christian Gonzalez
>everyone who disagrees with me is brainwashed yeah it shows that you went to a shitty public school where they had your brain washed with all that spanish nationalist claptrap. >MUH OLDEST NATION IN THE UNIVERSE
Ian Nelson
>those were obviously not followed in the "enforcement" of the law during the referendum. that's like, your opinion, man
Easton Bell
Puigdemond just proved that they MIGHT try to escape justice so the judges are preventing to do so..
Are they supposed to jail them only after they escape to another state?
Benjamin Morales
>video evidence is "opinion" I just think that the police made the whole thing a lot harder for the spanish government since Catalonia can use it as a convincing argument against Spanish rule.
Levi Russell
>that's literaly how a state should work So Spain is an example of how a state should work but not the UK or Canada?
Jonathan Campbell
all three countries followed their constitution so all three are proper states
Matthew Cruz
Attorney general in Spain literally admitted the catalan government was jailed for their ideas:
>If they had said they accepted the constitution and would abandon their political ideals maybe something would have changed. But they refused [...].
THIS IS HOW SPAIN FOLLOWS THE LAW
Joshua Garcia
>video evidence video shows police acts, whether or not it was excesive is indeed your opinion
Alexander Anderson
That is quite retarded...
If catalonia were to leave spain they would get AUTOMATICALLY kicked out of EU (regardless of any spanish action)
About the debt...we already see how all the banks and industry is already leaving catalonia
Nolan Phillips
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Zachary Lopez
Yes but they could have avoided the problem in the first place if they didn't chimp out
Henry Ward
>Puigdemond just proved that they MIGHT try to escape justice I already explained, there's no such thing as collective responsibility. Saying that because one guy did X the other might as well GOES AGAINST THE FUCKING LAW you imbecile.
And not just that, Puigdemont going to Belgium can NOT be considered flight because he's within the Schengen territory, it's his RIGHT to move freely as long as there wasn't an arrest warrant, which there wasn't until yesterday. And when presented with the warrant, he DID present himself in front of the belgian justice system.
