Say Christians, if your God is the true God then why didn't he stop the massacre?

Checkmate

t.Atheist

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Baptists aren't christian. Look at that faggot church that shit isn't even a church it's a fucking cheap house

free will

>Baptist isn't Christian
Sure, by that logic ISIS is also not Islam. Nice logic there Chirstcuck

To teach Americans to exercise their 2nd amendment rights.

Some people are really fucking slow...

what year is it?

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Thank you...

Bye fgt

>HE THINKS GOD IS ALL SUPER HUMBLE AND IN LINE WITH CONTEMPORARY POPULAR MORALS N SHIIEEET!!!!
Try reading the Bible if you wanna know how God is you damn heathen.

Saged and hidden

why would he do it? He is God not Astroboy.

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Matthew 10:28

God doesn't stop people from sinning, he is not a tyrant. He lets you fuck up and get blood on your hands, that way it's moral to destroy you forever in the lake of fire.

>pray at church
>get shot because you're praying
>everyone prays for the victims

Why are apes so stupid?

How do you know what God has stopped exactly?

He stopped it, so you have no way of knowing that it even could have happened. How do you know we wouldn’t have been wiped out a thousand times by radiation from pulsars, cataclysmic solar flares, and unstoppable viral and bacterial infections? Despite all odds humanity has never once faced a crisis it couldn’t handle. Count your blessings.

I don't really consider myself a religious person but your logic can be applied to any other tragedy and religion, therefore making it flawed.

tl;dr you're an edgy fedora lord

also this

God sent an armed citizen who put the shooter to rest.

If God already knows everything you're going to do, free will doesn't exist.

t. John Calvin

That is simply not true. If a camera catches you stealing from a convenience store you’re being watched. But the fact that an observer exists in no way prevents you from having a choice in whether or not you steal. You still made the choice.

>t. John Calvin
t. logic

if god exists and everything is a part of his plan then free will doesnt exist because he already knew that was going to happen

so he always knew which people were going to heaven and which to hell even before they were born

if god exists free will doesnt
(god = christian... abramanic god)

>I don't really consider myself a religious person but your logic can be applied to any other tragedy and religion, therefore making it flawed.
Hence the only conclusion is that there is no almighty benign and omnipotent God

A leaf delivers. Free will is the greatest gift for a living human whether you believe in a god or not. Atheists and Christians should have this bond and willingness to defend free will side by side at all costs.

to rile the christians to take arms and eventually kill all atheist. this shit is going in the new bible for his second coming. you know nothing about writing!

Thats not yow it works.

>not understanding how prayer works
As a long time Agnostic even I understand the function of prayer. The Christian God is not a wishing box. Being that the Christian God has a set will how would one know what that will is and how this individual event plays into it.
Free will allows humans to make their choices independent of divine will with in a "bubble" so to speak. The end points are predefined, but the path to that end point is not fixed. The only way it could make sense is if the god existed outside of time and therefore could see all the eventualities.
Then again I'm a basement dwelling agnostic.

Same reason he didn't slap that forbidden fruit of of Eve's mouth. He likes drama. So do we.

We live in the best of all possible worlds with free will.

t.Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz

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Christians forgive there enemies. They are fucking god damn retards.

There's a difference between knowing and deciding.

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>Free Will is a myth
Hello Monsoon

i am an atheist dude, imo it exist

but if you analized the christian faith objectively it can only lead to that conclusion

>Namefag Aussie starts dumping atheist memes
simply ebin

>Greek philosopher 'debunking' the Judeo-Christian God

We live in a world that embraced the chaos of satan. These things happen, and if God were to take our freewill it would violate the ascension program. Undoubtedly, wrongs done to you will be considered during the adjudication at the end of our dispensation.

Those people probably got a free ticket to heaven. Too bad you're going to hell

Except god has knowledge of all future events. So he knows what choices you will make becore you even make them.

There was a time when the actual government killed Christians and God didn’t stop it. He just said the ones dying for their faith were awesome. No one should expect her m to stop something like this from happening. God doesn’t do stuff like that.

>salvador has a lot more religious people than my country
>has fewer atheist
>somehow you want to show them as an example of how well christian societies work
>if this is gods protection i prefer to be left alone

Better watch out killer atheists are confirmed mass murderers in waiting

>t.Atheist

The same reason he let's you draw breath. God is patient with faggots. He gives you a little time on earth to run wild, then smacks you down for eternity. Enjoy the ride, because it all comes to an end, cringelord.

A very old question.
God has been known to wipe out huge swaths of people.

A few dozen dead...hmmm. Surely that is a terrible loss, but God allows free will, the will to NOT follow him.

And there are a few taking that free will to a sad extreme, but if God wanted to he could wipe-out the whole planet.

He's done it before, and may just do it again.

But God sees all, knows all. The deaths, while upsetting, are contrary to the first commandment (Judeo/Christian tradition) and rise to the level of mere pollution in the entire scheme of things worldly.

He's responsible for an awful lot of death, And so are some rather ordinary people.

Old question, and has been around for ages.

How many are a result of the war?

Santa Muertos is religion as well.

Death is natural. God placed the planets in motion, he didn't command wars, they were done in his name.

Freewill. We are i n the sandbox of free will. We just have to be good.

Amen brother

Amen brother

But He did stop the massacre?

No because time goes backwards. Einstein and minkowski proved this back in the 20's.

Say Atheists, if God is not real then why did the gunman die shortly after the massacre?

Checkmate

t.Agnostic

2 Timothy 3:12 KJV
Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

Matthew 10:22 KJV
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Matthew 5:10 KJV
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.


Need I go on?

Yup. The planets were put here too. They were not formed the same time as our son

Say, Leftists... If liberalism and socialism is so great, how come decades of Democrats didn't stop this massacre?

Protip: You suck.

It's almost as though OP was a troll

>God that is all knowing, powerful, and has all knowledge of what you're going to do
>free will
Of the many years of assraping Christians in debate, I've learned that nothing approaches the delusion they have.

do we know the race of the killer yet?

The church is not the building. It's the people that make up the congregation.

Sup Forums we have been infiltrated by hooks, niggers and domestic fascist terrorist. whats with the complacency? What happened to nothing is beyond our reach?

That's not how it works.

They're in heaven and the killer is in hell.

I'm an atheist and even I know how this shit works.

Free will is one of the core tenants of Atheism, but it CAN'T be with Christans as if that was the case that either means that God isn't all powerful, or he allows evil to happen with his approval.

>checkmate comes before check
nice logic there shillcuck
checkmate
since you can't play chess you faggot

> They are baptists. They fear god, not follow him.

ever heard of free-will ?, oh wait you're an atheist according to you we're just carbon lifeforms descended from space dust

You all mother fuckers need to read Job. God lets bad things happen because Satan laid out the challenge that people only worship god because god rewards them, and they would stop if god took everything away from them.

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The father had a son, it was our universe. He inherited the motions and methods of universe sovereignty and function from God.

An Atheist killed him faggot. God doesn't stop free will fucktard

>asking him to impose upon your free will

do you really want this

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Strange how there are no ambulances there

Any of those Jesus quotes?

In the early years of judaism, God was a volcano.

Do you not understand how stupid what you said is? If we have free will God can't intervene even if it's atrocities otherwise, by definition, we wouldn't have free will.

Free will is not a tenant of socialism however, the favorite government type of atheists

The shooter ran away and died.

I say he did stop the shooting.

You invented some version of a god as parent or superhero and ascribed it to this religion.

You don't even understand what you're trying to deny exists.

>Christians
>Free will
pick one

He knows all possible choices. The universe isn't linear. Further, agency isn't for God's benefit, it is yours. You made the choice he didn't intervene

It is written that we shall be persecuted.

that church look like a shanty trailer park cult, just like Burnette Chapel Church of Christ in Antioch.

Free will means you can act how you want, that doesn’t mean something else can’t change the outcome you wanted.

there is a plan for everything, non believer

And Christians are the biggest supporters of Israel in the US.

Because He doesn't care, dumbass.

You're making the retarded assumption that just because He is all knowing, he made those decisions for you instead of just recording them and watching. That says much more about you and how you would handle yourself in the position of God then you are probably aware of.
Thank you for being a voice of reason in this thread. Cheers, m8.

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We are always in the receiving end of other's malevolent or benevolent intentions and actions.

Also, those mesoamerican type of patterns....
I've witnessed those in hyperspace.

No he knows the outcome. Therefore free will does not exist.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omniscience

Are you saying God isn't omniscient?

Its like you degenerates think God is some omniscient babysitter who just cleans up messes humans cause themselves.

Craziest part about this, which I haven't yet seen anyone point out, is that it ended up being (by all indications) an atheist who ended up doing the shooting.

Guy must feel like a massive asshole.

athiests are the vegans of theology.

God allows us to behave this way, because to compel one to be good negates the goodness of the act.

God allows things like this to happen, because He does not want to infringe on our agency to create our own destiny.

God didn't make us so we could live a perfect utopia Candy Land life, a life devoid of purpose. He wants us to create something of ourselves that can find worth and meaning, and to stuggle and fight for goodness.

No, only JUDGED, that's the deal.

The true believers > heaven;
Sinners > not so much. Gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands.

So be Holy, follow God's law, follow this:

Mt23:1-12

"Whoever exalts himself will be humbled;
but whoever humbles himself will be exalted."

Live from Kekistan.

>implying baptists are christians
>implying protestants in general are christians

Wesley Crusher from Star Trek TNG, taking the time to shit on christians as only a Jew can.

Nothing like taking a tragedy for christians and using it to celebrate screaming that christian values and teachings are worthless like the kike he is who is using his sneaky subversive language to condemn the entire institution of Christianity.

Some brave user, please call this Jew out on twitter for shitting on christian values and teaching.

twitter.com/wilw/status/927284357609353218

>he didn't command wars
The Israelites say their gods supposedly commanded them to kill every tribe in Canaan Valley, nearly 1 million inhabitants. Slaughter the adults - even the pregnant women, take their land, livestock, and the prepubescent girls as a reward. It either shows what awful people the Isrealites were, or what awful gods they invented

The Spirit constraineth me that I must not stretch forth mine hand; for behold the Lord receiveth them up unto himself, in glory; and he doth suffer that they may do this thing, or that the people may do this thing unto them, according to the hardness of their hearts, that the judgments which he shall exercise upon them in his wrath may be just; and the blood of the innocent shall stand as a witness against them, yea, and cry mightily against them at the last day.

Any pain that is felt by the innocent will be compensated for in the next life that will make up for it somehow and the wicked will endure everlasting pain and torment for their sins.

>christian values and teachings are worthless
We now know most were stolen from previous religions. There's nothing original in the NT.