Was he really that evil??

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>literally industrialized a medieval shithole into a modern industrial superpower in 10 years, regardless of the human cost
Sup Forums wishes they ever had a leader as strong as Stalin

He was.
But being evil does not mean one is incapable of great deeds. Great in scale, that is, not moral fibre.

Stalin used to rob trains in his piss-poor home country. Then his waifu died. So he conquered 1/4 of the world as an act of revenge against humanity.

He was an oxymoron. You can't be Russian and Stalin at the same time.

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He wasn't evil at all. Just learn history and you will understand why he did all this shit.

Yea yeah he done bad things for the greater good, but failed badly, commes fucked our countrys and i mean Russia as well so badly that we never get back that potencial we may had

What does it mean to be evil?

He wasn't a maniac, as the gruesome acts he did were determined by a greater goal. Every person of his station does some gruesome acts. So the only open question that remains to be asked: was he a great and efficient leader, or was he unskilled and misguided leader?

Was a mass muddier really that bad?
Fucking Jewish filth.

Hitler. But ok. Plus Stalin didn’t make lives better you fucking commie.

>and user was never heard from again after he was sent to Siberia

I don't care. Can you go back and change history? No. But you are free to do anything now, so do something instead of endless bitching about "muh potential".

>commes fucked our countrys and i mean Russia as well so badly that we never get back that potencial we may had
This single line is the most annoying and also pathetic thing that makes me, of all nations and peoples of the world, despise the butthurt belt and those who use the same victim card logic.

Let me tell you something.
If you let yourselves get fucked, you deserved to get fucked,
If you are fucked beyond repair, you are niggers now and don't deserve any potential.
Otherwise, whining and begging wouldn't win you anything, and is an allaround waste of time.

Murder Trotsky to gain power.
Kill millions of people.
Enslave Russia and make everyone in Russia suffer.
Was a jew

> Stalin didn’t make lives better

he created the biggest middle class population of all time out of nothing in less than 30 years

Well the Soviet Union went from a backwards illiterate agrarian shithole with massive social upheavals to a scientific, industrial, ideological and military super power over the course of his 25 year rule.

Whether or not he was evil is irrelevant: in the end he built a powerhouse from nothing, and although tens of millions died as a result of it, everyone else that remained was far better off for it.

daily reminder that nazism has killed more white people than every other ideology - except communism-

He killed jews and communists. The only humans he killed were hostile invaders.

Right the number of people in the middle class is what counts. Not the industry’s capacity.

What about the higher class?

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>Plus Stalin didn’t make lives better you fucking commie.
Russian people tend to disagree with this statement. Stalin is the single most popular leader of all time in Russia, followed by Putin and Lenin, you fool.
>Hitler. But ok.
German people, too, tend to disagree with this statement. And for a very good reason.

He certainly was, but his extreme paranoia and megalomania caused him to backstab the kikes who brought him into power, and by the time he died, most of the party was comprised of Eastern Slavs.

>Stalin's miracle
Forced meme. Pic related.

He was the least evil of "Big Three" WWII Allied Leaders.

stalin WAS the soviet union
stalin was peak communism

Absolutely despicable person.

he killed a fuckton of commies, he couldn't have been that bad

There was no middle class you fucking moron
Everyone was a poor slave.

>Russian people tend to disagree with this statement. Stalin is the single most popular leader of all time in Russia, followed by Putin and Lenin, you fool.

>German people, too, tend to disagree with this statement. And for a very good reason.

So it only counts when we are talking about your leader.

Btw holocaust fake.

yes

>the Soviet Union went from peasants to a global power
>we only had to work to death 60 million people
>communism wasn't so bad

t.

>Russian people tend to disagree with this statement. Stalin is the single most popular leader of all time in Russia, followed by Putin and Lenin, you fool.
Because Russians are brainwashed morons.

Russia is a shuttle to this day.

No wonder Russians worship a dictator that enslaved and killed them.

> Plus Stalin didn’t make lives better you fucking commie.
Except that he did. After his collectivization program Russia never suffered a single famine ever again. Also his industrialization program meant the USSR was able to produce tanks, planes and guns to defeat Germany. The USSR put the first man and sattelites into space, developed thousands of nuclear ICBMs.

What did Nazi Germany accomplish?
Germany was a pile of rubble after they were done with it.

When you say Nazis you mean Jews right

Why are you marxist shit eating bootlickers so fucking stupid?

>le great leader that enslaved and killed us all was good for middle class

Kill all commies

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>10 years later, Germany invaded

>Russia never suffered a single famine ever again.


Haahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

>produce tanks, planes and guns to defeat Germany.

Right you didn’t win because hitler had to focuse on the western front and you having drafted everyone

>So it only counts when we are talking about your leader.
What did you mean by this? Noone could judge the leader better than the people of his state. In fact, noone elses' opinion even matters. Russians judge that Stalin as the greatest leader. Germans judge Hitler as the worst leader.

>we stopped having famines
Meanwhile capitalist counties had no famines.

Ussr was inefficient as fuck and couldn't even produce toilet paper or shoes.
Commies are fucking brainwashed cultists that need to be killed.

And Hitler cleaned house transformed the ghettos and created finachel stability that it astonished the rest of the, in less then 10years

Not surprised that a retarded lolbertian can't understand the concept of utilitarianism. You are infected with American individualism, that's your problem.

No. He at the very least brought back order after Jewish Bolsheviks had pushed Russia and Russian people on the brink of breaking down completely.

This is a good read:
blog.jim.com/war/recap-on-the-left-singularity/
>When they start flaying people alive in the streets, no one will be able to see it even when it happens right in front of them. This is simple extrapolation of existing trends, plus it has all happened before many times: Britain going lefter until Cromwell brought things under control, France going lefter until Napoleon brought things under control, Russia going lefter until Stalin brought things under control.
>Social Justice Warriors can punch people now. If the victim complained, the Social Justice Warrior would counter complain that his victim was a nazi, and the victim would be fired.
>This is a new thing, but expect it to rapidly escalate to Maoist style struggle sessions where people get beaten to death and then eaten as in China during Maoism, or get gasoline poured over their children and then set on fire as in the Soviet Union shortly before Stalin clamped down and monopolized all the torture and murder, or flayings as in France in 1794.

>Right you didn’t win because hitler had to focuse on the western front and you having drafted everyone
We won after Stalingrad, and that was when there was only one frontline. And it doesn't even matter, if we had others do for us all the work, the taste of victory would've been even sweeter.

Reminder that the numbers of the dead are inflated. as the population got bigger in the soviet union

>Meanwhile capitalist counties had no famines.
Ignorance is about what one would expect from a lolbert.

>lolbertian
HAHAHAHAHA
You're a literal communist. A scum sucking turd that wants the state to enslave him and control every single aspect of his life because you were gullible enough to believe in dialectical materialism and muh magic forces of history.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You people truly need to be gassed.

>utilitarianism
>he killed us all and enslaved us but it was good for the country
Talk about a fucking brainlet lol

>You are infected with American individualism
When America was actually individualist, americans had the highest living standards on earth, while socialists were starving to death.

>Ignorance is about what one would expect from a lolbert.
What ignorance.

Man made famines didn't occur in developed captialist nations.
Russians and communists are so fucking stupid it's incredible.
They actually WANT to be enslaved and have no choices.

>Right you didn’t win because hitler had to focuse on the western front and you having drafted everyone
The USSR defeated Germany's most elite, best equipted and youngest troops. The German troops on the Western front with old people, boys and other second-rate troops.

>lolbertian
>HAHAHAHAHA
>You're a literal communist

Yes. Communism is a powerful ideology and some communists are powerful people.

Lolbertarianism is a meme and lolberts are freaks.

>western front
>relevant
Sure.
So, when are you going to mention HORRIBLE RUSSIAN WINTER THAT STOPPED GERMAN FORCES? (also put the red flag above reichstag)

>Man made famines didn't occur in developed captialist nations.

All communist famines ever are man made famines, entirely consciously created by the communists. All capitalist famines are result of a completely unavoidable force of nature.

And that's, boys and girls, your brain on pure propaganda.

I mean he slaughtered like... Tens of millions of leftists. I mean we're talking post-Hitler levels of dead leftists here. He successfully grabbed a socialist revolution and turned it into a fascist dictatorship that existed solely to supply him with roast beef and suckling pig.

I honestly cannot think of a man I like more than Stalin, he's living proof that /leftypol/ simply is not allowed to get what they want, no matter how hard they try or how many times they try, a Stalin will end up stuffing them into gulags for questioning his leadership and then turn their utopia into a tinpot beef factory for himself.

He ignores the massive lend lease program (the US smuggled into russia via britain before they officially entered the war). All that equipment the russians produced? American steel. They received 14 billion tons of steel from the US, not to mention all the other shit they got, including a massive motor pool to stem their logistics while the germans were still using horses for most things. Of the ~60000 sherman tanks produced about 34000 were gifted to the soviet union. Not a single one survived. Meanwhile the total production numbers of all tanks and SPG's of germany was about 33000. The dimensions of help russia received from the US was astronomical. Before the USA helped them, they did not even have enough shoes to outfit their soldiers. Then suddenly they outnumbered the germans 200 to one even after roughly 50% of their armored forces broke down on the way to the front. Without the USA russia would have fallen, easily.

Reminder that the USSR was a shithole and that marxism doesn't work.

>muh brainwash
I fucking hate this statement. It can be used for everyone and anything.

>Communism is a powerful ideology
It's a dead ideology that enslaved and killed millions of people.

>some communists are powerful people.
Not now.

>Lolbertarianism is a meme and lolberts are freaks.
Libertarians are much more powerful in USA than commies are.
Also commies are literally transgendered SJW freaks.
Killyourself.

Yes. The amount of gay and trans people he killed are staggering, he is killed thousands of anarchists, and killed the jewish antifa commite.

>Reminder that the USSR was a shithole and that marxism doesn't work.
Well, since it's a naked statement, I discard it in your opinion completely and without any further consideration.

And don't expect me to make but a glance on your jpeg "redill"

No, he wasn't. No other gommie leader could compare after him. No wonder they all went out of their way to denounce him. Hitler was way better and achieved more with a lot less bloodshed.

Stalin was building a country, purging corrupt partisans, etc. You can't do this without mountains of corpses and rivers of blood. He definitely a person you'd enjoy being around, he was really paranoid and the likelihood of you becoming a non-person are high if you're in his immediate surroundings.
>Meanwhile capitalist counties had no famines.
Oh, you mean there weren't any famines during the reign of a de facto socialist? Do you retarded cunts even know what The New Deal is?

Because everyone is brainwashed. It's that simple. You can't live in society and not be affected.

>All communist famines ever are man made famines, entirely consciously created by the communists. All capitalist famines are result of a completely unavoidable force of nature.
>And that's, boys and girls, your brain on pure propaganda.
LOL
The most ironic and hilarious thing in the world is a marxist shitstain calling others brainwashed.
You literally advocate for the state to shut down opinions that disagree with you. You REQUIRE this because deep down you know you're wrong.

Under socialism the government can instantly force famines by preventing people from eating.
Under capitalism, people have the right to farm and trade to get as much food as they possibly want.
Of course socialist famines are man made.

Marxists are brainwashed cucks.

>And don't expect me to make but a glance on your jpeg
No shit you're not going to read it.

You're a brainwashed marxist after all, who needs facts and logic when you have "dialectical materialism".

Honestly why haven't you killed yourself already?

He was really good manager who most of time viewed people as numbers and statistic. All of revolutionary movement was den of backstabbing vipers he just was better than rest of them so stayed the most known face. Still did and approved a lot of horrendous shit though.
And in the end of the day he is still better for russians than germans would have been should they won WW2.

>when Stalin visited his mother in October 1935, he asked her: "Why did you beat me so hard?"
>"That's why you turned out so well", Keke answered.
> In return, his mother asked him: "Joseph – who exactly are you now?"
>"Do you remember the tsar? Well, I'm like a tsar", replied Stalin.
>"You'd have done better to have become a priest" was his mother's retort

>despise the butthurt belt and those who use the same victim card logic.
I do agree with this one.
>If you let yourselves get fucked, you deserved to get fucked and this one as well.
>If you are fucked beyond repair, you are niggers now and don't deserve any potential.
Yes, this one is the best. However, fuck you balalaika vodka putin matrioshka cyka nahuya blyad nigger

>Oh, you mean there weren't any famines during the reign of a de facto socialist? Do you retarded cunts even know what The New Deal is?
The great depression/new deal is the only time in american history where americans actually tried socialism.
Guess what it didn't work.
FDR needed to be killed.

>It's a dead ideology that enslaved and killed millions of people.

There are many communist states in the modern world, including a superpower, and countless powerful communist forces in other states too. Socialists, a close variation of communist ideology are similarly in power.

>Not now.
Yes now.

>Libertarians are much more powerful in USA than commies are.
I'm pretty sure Sanders is more influential than any libertarian.

>Also commies are literally transgendered SJW freaks.
>Killyourself.
No, U.

The thing about Stalin was his paranoia.. how many people got death warrants signed just cause he wanted to be double plus sure no one would take him out. I guess in a country with such a history of bloody revolution you won't last in the shark tank unless you're the most ruthless motherfucker there

Hitler wasn't in power that long so who knows if he would have turned the same way later on if the Reich had won the war and people started making moves.. or maybe it's a fundamental difference between Germans and Russians

All in all living under the Nazis would be alright if you were Aryan but otherwise it would be worse , cause at least in the USSR if you kept your head down and played the good communist you'd survive, whereas the Nazis were hardline ethnonationalists who considered non Germans to be fundamentally inferior and slaves at best (or fertilizer at worst)

wtf i hate amerikike now

>he killed us all and enslaved us but it was good for the country
No, Stalin industralized a backward, almost feudal country and turned it into an industrialized, modern nuclear superpower in 10 years. Yes forced labor in massive amounts was used, but terrible things were happening all around the world at the time. The USSR had the capitalist and fascist powers breathing down their back and it was only a matter of time before they invaded.

If Stalin's industralization didn't happen, the USSR would of almost certainly been destroyed by the Germans and the Slavic race exterminated to make room for German colonists.

>When America was actually individualist, americans had the highest living standards on earth, while socialists were starving to death.
Socialism unfortunately didn't come to power in advanced countries like Britain or America, it came to power into feudal backwaters that had been destroyed by war - Russia and China. Russia nd China had famines before socialism came to power, the communists merely had to deal with the countries they had, not the ones they wished they had.

When America was actually individualist, americans had the highest living standards on earth, while socialists were starving to death.
Millions of third-world people die yearly from capitalist economic systems. Just because the imperialist system has been able to outsource it's famines to the third-world, doesn't mean that millions of people aren't dying so you can have cheap food and products.

The difference is that in the USSR, the deaths were for a greater cause and built a nation and ensure future generations never have to go through that again, while the yearly deaths from capitalism are going to keep going on for decades.

That's why it's such a shit argument.

if you genuinely think Germany in 1934 was anywhere close to Russia in 1925, you should kill yourself

not a socialist but, socialism is the democratic ownership of the means of production. thinking this needs to involve a state shows how ignorant you are. READ BOOKS

>There are many communist states in the modern world
No there isn't.
Communism is basically dead.
The only states left even resembling it have nothing at all to do with marxist-leninism and are just fascist dictatorships.

Why has almost every single communist shithole on earth COLLAPSED?
Could it be that maybe just MAYBE it doesn't work?
Just die you faggot

>Socialists, a close variation of communist ideology are similarly in power.
Real socialists have zero power in the world today lol.

>Yes now.
Name some lol
China isn't real communist at all.

>I'm pretty sure Sanders is more influential than any libertarian.
Ron Paul was more popular.
Sanders was a socialist cuck like yourself.

>No, U.
You're literally a marxist manchild.
lol

That's why it's not an argument.

>You are brainwashed.
>Ok. You, too.

It still works. And is an argument.

THIS

No, that was Hjalmar schact who saved german economy, not hitler

No.
Stalin did a lot of good

>The great depression/new deal is the only time in american history where americans actually tried socialism.
If you actually believe that you live in a non-socialist capitalist country, look at your tax rates, social spending and size of military.

>uses "cuck" as an insult
American brainlets everyone

I don't really care that much. He killed russian commies mostly after all, and commies are still asking for more, so I think they deserve it.

He was ruthless and a commie, so that makes him as evil as it gets.

But his actual crimes were overstated and inflated by Khrushchev during his de-Stalinization crusade. Commishits basically shifted the blame from the regime on one man in order to preserve "real gommunism has never been tried, all those millions dead and in gulag are stalins fault" narrative.

Westerners of course would never miss a moment to dogpile as well. So now we have a situation when his death toll increases 2 times every twenty years or so the further we go from his death. Won't be surprised if by 2050 it will be 120 million or some shit.

Stalin is a true hero, he starved a lot of commies to death.

He was insanely evil. The Communist regime was already evil before him, but Stalin took it to a whole another level.

>Remember the 120 gorillion
Funny how that works, eh?

>pic
>OMG LOOK AT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE KILLED IN COUNTRIES THAT HAVE VERY LITTLE ECONOMIC FREEDOM
>CLEARLY THIS IS CAPITALISMS FAULT

Do you understand why everyone laughs at you utter wastes of life?


>Stalin industralized a backward, almost feudal country and turned it into an industrialized, modern nuclear superpower in 10 years.
No he didn't. All he did was turn it into a WARFARE state.
The people in that country lived like fucking animals.

>but terrible things were happening all around the world at the time
>DUDE IT'S NOT OUR FAULT WE HAD TO ENSLAVE ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE
Listen to yourself.
Why did this not happen in USA?

>it came to power into feudal backwaters that had been destroyed by war - Russia and China.
Proving marx's theories wrong.

>Millions of third-world people die yearly from capitalist economic systems
These countries have extremely low levels of economic freedom.
If you are dumb enough to define capitalism that way, then north korea is capitalist because they have at least SOME market activity.
You're pathetic.
The more economically free nations are, the more well off their people are.

>doesn't mean that millions of people aren't dying so you can have cheap food and products.
That's the fault of their governments you brainwashed cunt.
All any of these countries has to do is free their market, open up to trade and most importantly ALLOW THEIR CURRENCY TO RISE and they will be able to easily compete with western countries and have high living standards. This is how all economically countries on earth developed.

>while the yearly deaths from capitalism are going to keep going on for decades.
LOL These are deaths caused by excessive STATISM the SAME EXACT THING YOU DESIRE.
It's so easy to turn this around on you stupid cunts.

yes, why do you even have to ask such retarded question?
I know your country was ruled by a witch but come on, there are limits to idiocy

Fuck commies, they're all cunts

>having a black man fuck your girlfriend while you cry masturbating in the corner
Do all marxists do this?

>Stalin kills 60 million people and impoverishes the rest in order to industrialize its country
>Western countries kill 0 people and makes everyone richer in order to industrialize their countries

Le ends justify the means meme

Sage

If communism only produces economic failure, then how did the USSR produce 106,025 tanks and self-propelled guns, 197,100 other vehicles, 516,648 artillery, 200,300 mortars, 1,477,400 machine guns, 136,223 aircraft, in just 3 years and 10 months?

>muh land lease
These are figures about Soviet production, ie produced in Soviet factories.

>>Stalin kills 60 million people and impoverishes the rest in order to industrialize its country
>>Western countries kill 0 people and makes everyone richer in order to industrialize their countries
>Le ends justify the means meme
>Sage

This a million times.

There's no excuse

Many other capitalist nations industrialized much faster and without killing people.

Also the USSR only really industrialized in military tech, everything else was third world tier.

when you work or get killed, you work
does not really make the system not failure

These countries have extremely low levels of economic freedom.
They have market economies, using private ownership, that is capitalism brainlet, stop trying to switch the blame with
>but they are TRUE capitalism

>If communism only produces economic failure, then how did the USSR produce 106,025 tanks and self-propelled guns, 197,100 other vehicles, 516,648 artillery, 200,300 mortars, 1,477,400 machine guns, 136,223 aircraft, in just 3 years and 10 months?
Because states are really efficient at killing people?
Because capitalist nations focused on actually helping THE PEOPLE instead of the military?

You fucking faggot.

>help
Vey goy, making billions while other fight is now "help".
Without USA all you would manage is to capture Moscow, which is absolutely worthless to us and capture of which has never led to surrender, its a retarded plan and you learned nothing from Napoleon. You would still run out of the manpower long before you would capture even half of Russia.
Russia has shitton of steel, oil and other crap that we leased, it was a matter of time, meaning it was faster to lease it than produce it.

And stop calling leasing as help. Nobody stopped you from buying and leasing more shit, you absolute tit.

>a couple of dead niggers in Africa => capitalsim has failed

>They have market economies
AHAHAHAHAH

HO HO HO

According to this marxist brainlet logic, north korea is capitalist, ussr was capitalist, modern china is capitalist.

They all have market activity don't they? I guess they're capitalist.

If you weren't a braindead marxist you would understand that there are levels of economic freedom.

Third world shitholes today have very limited economic freedom. This is the reason the people there are poor.
They are poor because they don't have free markets, because they don't have capitalism.

Your entire fucking argument falls flat.
Kill yourself.

>>but they are TRUE capitalism
Is north korea true capitalism?

>stop trying to switch the blame
The blame was ALWAYS on you.
Statism is statism.
When the state has high levels of power over the market, there is very low levels of "capitalism" and economic freedom.

Capitalism isn't an on and off switch you single celled """"""""""""brain"""""""""".

Yes. Absolutely.