It seems as though there are too many problems within the Chutch for it not to be totally corrupt. Need arguments for staying/leaving
Should I leave the Catholic Church?
You haven't already? This Pope's a cuck
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To be clear, if I were to leave, I would still wish to remain a Christian, any further suggestions on which denomination to look into would be appreciated.
Ask yourself this:
>Do I need to belong to an organised religion?
If you ask me, the relationship between man and God is between you and Him
This.
I'd try a protestant church, most Catholics I've run into are such cucks its crazy. They're always the first to talk bad about Christianity.
Orthodox and Mormonism are the only valid choices IMHO
The others are too invested in multiculti or are in a death spiral
Well yes, I think I would probably look at an Anglican Church seeing as historically they are Church of my country. The only problem is that I don't know if they're even worse than the Catholic Church (women priests, gay marriage etc)
Well Catholicism is still in a lot of ways the most conservative branch of christanity other than Orthodoxy. For example being anti-female priests and anti-birth control are strict catholic doctrine well they are both fringe beliefs among Protestant churches. Even gay marriage/homosexuality though is rejected by all conservative Protestants there are many liberal protestant churches that support them.
The Church of England has gone more and more left-wing over the past few decades and it's definitely more left-wing then the Catholic church now. With that said you can still probably find some individual conservative parishes.
That's not what Jesus said, pagan. Maybe you should try reading the Bible instead of allowing a man in a dress to tell you what it says? Catholics have mixed their religion with every pagan dirt worship they came into contact with starting with the Romans and their pagan Holiday Easter, then Christmas, then Samhain when they got to Ireland, and continuing onto the Americas where they practice pagan filth like Dia de Los Muertos.
May God have mercy on your soul and send the Holy Spirit to lead you into the truth and His saving grace before you follow the popes straight to Hell.
>Mormonism
A larp cult so dumb they say black skin is the mark of Cain... even though every person descended from Cain died in the flood.
Fuck off (((cultural))) Christian retard.
>youtube.com
>catholicism
I was considering joining the catholic or orthodox churches but the ones near me are full of spics or slavs. I would feel out of place. I guess Episcopal would be the next closest thing?
go be the mouse. snakes gotta eat.
>Maybe you should try reading the Bible instead of allowing a man in a dress to tell you what it says?
Maybe YOU should try, heretic
>or slavs
So? At least they're white. I feel more at home with the Serbians than I do with the niggers at whatever prot church.
>joining a cult who thinks that Jesus was black
Leave now and never come back
Its not about color so much as being around people speaking foreign languages. Instant outsider status. Its not communal.
The catholic church can now only be saved by a widespread elimination of 99 % of the current people in charge
If you're going to be Christian, Catholicism is by far the best "version". The people in the institution are obviously corrupt as fuck, have been for centuries, but as far as the actual beliefs Catholicism is the least illogical. Not only do they embrace science, but they also adhere to a non-literal interpretation of most (if not all) of the Bible.
If you're a Biblical literalist, though, go ahead and join some retarded protestant denimonation. Good luck trying to pick one, though, there are about a million different ones, which is one of many reasons why I don't understand how anybody can take them seriously.
Maybe you should get an education?
The King James 1611 had 7 more books than the (((Catholic))) Bible, for a total of 80 books.
But it is apparent why they are not treated as canon to anyone who has the Holy Spirit. They aren't anything like the rest of the Bible, they are Roman forgeries which read like a 12 yo boy's fabric.
The fact that the Bible debunks (((Catholic))) heresy in pretty much every book should concern you.
I was drawn to Catholicism by channels like The Church Militant on YouTube. It made me feel like it isn't so cucked but that it just needs reform. I wasn't raised Christian so all of this new to me but all I ever received was anti-catholic messages through media. These took some time to overcome.
Perhaps this is a tad heretical, but whenever I think it matters of corruption in the Church I think of the Pharisees. Yes they were corrupt, but nonetheless the "inherited the throne of Moses" and were the guardians of proper tradition and worship, even if they did not live it.
Corruption on a individual and a structural level is to be expected among a church of sinners, and you aren't going to escape that no matter what Church you go to. Unless you have objections to the Church on a doctrinal level, then don't base your decision on the common faults of men.
just learn Greek. ez
>following man's church instead of Christ
You need no man to find God
>literally worshipping at the feet of an idol to the point of the bronze foot being worn away
Nah, bruh...
>9And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. 10And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
>Episcopal
Holy shit no please don't even go near one of those places. The American Episcopal Church is ultra left-wing, they endorse homosexuality, gay marriage, abortion, transgenderism and many of their churches will even fly a gay pride flag outside of them. They are the sort of Christians that will say 'lamo JC was a socialist don't ya know.' There is an Anglican alternative in the US (and Canada) however if you want to give that a shot which is more conservative. They are called the Anglican Church in North America, they aren't ultra conservative but they are conservative on all the important issues, such as gay marriage and they don't allow female Bishops.
Baptists/Evangelicals will generally be more politically conservative than catholics and they will reject gay marriage, abortion but they generally don't outright reject female pastors (though in practice they rarely have them). They also will very rarely reject contraceptives which for me is a big problem, one of the biggest problems in modernity is the disassociating between sex and reproduction.
Embrace your heritage, user
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Vatican II is an illegitimate debasement of Catholic tradition and apes some of the worst aspects of Protestantism. Find a church that celebrates the traditional Latin mass and talk to your confessor about your crisis of faith, he will be able to advise you.
The Church and it's teachings are eternal regardless of the man who sits on St. Peter's throne.
Thanks for the heads up. I just figured it was Catholicism in all but name.
>worshipping a rotting corpse on a popsicle stick
>paganism
>families and qt aryan women
lmao
More like cat ladies and feminism
"If you kill your enemies, they win."
-Yeshua bar Yosef
This.
Its just pope francis is a PR pope for liberal catholics
Honestly I think Spiderman could beat Moses in a fight, but probably not Jehovah.
Aint episcopal and anglican basically the same "pretend to be catholic" thing?
So then whats the point?..
>Aryan polytheism = wicca
Neck yourself coward.
SO TRADITION
BASED ARYAN
QT WOMEN
FAMILIES
>Popes hide/excuse/cover-up/support systemic pedophilia for generations
"This is fine. Its just like one of my hentais!"
>Pope says hey lets stop being so shitty
"REEEEEEE KEKKEKKEKS KEK DECLARES YOU HERETIC I NEED A NEW LARP GROUP"
M'kay buddy.
Not being shoulder to shoulder with spics was the intention.
Catholics are Christian ONLY in the sense that they believe Jesus was the son of God, but the majority of their practices are not based in Scripture. That should be enough.
>5 posts by this ID
Pretty sure letting racism guide your spirituality is sinful in all the christian denominations you are considering, fyi.
Not an argument.
European polytheism at this point seems too individualistic and most of it's adherents tend to be of the new age hippy variety. I have no interest in insulting our ancient ways, but whether it's right to return I'm not convinced.
The church came before the bible tho
the catholic church is the only church to lead us to salvation.
we can fix the church over time, but not through abandoning our lord and Savior's church
Well for one I really reject the idea that Anglicans are 'basically catholic' or anything like that. They have been around for a long time and Since at the very least the time of Elizabeth I it has been firmly Protestant, England was majority Anglican when they invited William of Orange in to dispose their Catholic King. The only thing that makes them similar to Catholics is their liturgy (church structure) is close, but most of the things they currently believe and have historically believed are very uncatholic. For example they reject purgatory.
As for Anglicans and Episcopalians being the same that is sort of true. Episcopalian is just the word used for Anglican in the USA and Scotland. However what I was referring to, the Anglican Church in North America, is a breakaway group which left the Anglican church of Canada and the Episcopal church USA because they both became so liberal. So they are all Anglicans but the ACNA left the old churches. The ACNA also is not recognized by the Anglican Communion.
This. White nationalism and Christianity are incompatible.
>inb4 hurr muh hitler wuz kikestian!
Hitler told the people what the people wanted to hear.
Remember that these spics are a part of the Body of Christ as well. Idk what you want out of church but at the very least God doesn't want you to cut yourself off from them, and he will hold you accountable if you do.
Say it with me
Sedevacantism
He separated the races and languages for a reason. He doesn't want me sitting next to them.
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Is that why he explicitly makes his prophets speak in tongues that men of all languages can understand?
If he is for racial seperation why does he say that all can now become jews?
If he is for nationalism and earthly power why does he command to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's?
why do you think being a christian is the right thing?
I dont want to twist his words or inject meanings that are not there. Im just going by what God did. That the only way for the beast/Anti-christ to take over the world is for there to be a global world and culture for him to control which multiculturalism promotes.
Christianity is what got us into this mess. When a Templarper points out how "masculine" and "powerful" Christianity is as a force on earth, they're talking about Catholicism. Catholicism is almost entirely pagan with a veneer of semitic attitudes draped on top.
I reccomend you read pic related
It's also the only way your messiah can return.
>T. Frankist Sabbatean.
>roman religion isn't European
Really activated the almonds Uhtred Blackson
because I want to adhere to traditonal family values, a sense of community and have some form of moral guidance. Christianity has a long history in my country and to dump it for paganism, which roots have been severed long ago, would seem foolish.
This
That book says nothing of the sort. There is a part about chivalry being an aspect of pagan culture though, but I seriously doubt you've actually read that book.
The fact that you even need to go into paragraph upon paragraph of mental gymnastics to defend Christianity tells me all I need to know.
>I can't read
"After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” -Rev 7:9-10
Either you sit with all races and nations in heaven or you sit with no one, there is no inbetween.
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i never suggested paganism. or anything else for that matter. so you want tradition, a sense of community and a moral guidance? when is the last time you made something traditionally english (or whatever your GB denomination is)? did you listen to your grandmas stories? when is the last time you talked to her and listened what she had to say? as for moral guidance - what is it that you are sitting on the fence about weather it is right or wrong?
Well said.
Christianity will NEVER be free from leftist subversion, because both Marxism and Christianity come from the same Jewish root.
Explain to me how giving up your possessions and leaving your family to follow some unwashed yid around is a lifestyle of masculine earthly power.
You stay in the Catholic Church because it is true:
>catholic.com
You stay for the sacraments, in particular the Eucharist.
You stay for the salvation of your soul.
Understand what you're giving up before you give it up.
Understand the basis of the Church's claim of truth. Understand the sacraments. Understand salvation.
If you understand these things, you will not walk away. It's as simple as that.
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I see that somebody besides me went to Mass on Sunday!
Many of our ancestors gave their lives to stay in the Church.
Why would we abandon it when it needs us more than ever? Stay, and we'll change it for the better
We are living the in between. Thats talking about an event that comes during judgement. Im not questioning God. You are trying to twist his words to reinforce your feel good notions and be an accelerationist.
Whatever your mental gymnastics say, sinner.
You left your larp flag on.
I choose this flag on purpose.
Your dank maymay doesnt apply to me because unlike christians I actually would be angry if my daughter married a nigger
You should stay in the true Church of all believers. Whether that means being affiliated with some cuck in Rome is not important.
>accelerationist
I don't assume that you are trying to decieve me or bring about the apocalypse, so I hope that you would not do the same.
Jesus calls us all too the kingdom of heaven, so why would you presume that God would want to exclude your neighbor from it also? If he would desire to unite us as Servants of God, why would his will on earth differ from his will in heaven?
Godfather lll
Of course the Vatican is corrupt
I went to 12 years of Catholic school + Sunday school before that. I have taken the sacrament of confirmation. I am just going to stick with it for the long haul, plus I just don't trust non-denomination churches. Those fuckers are TOO happy. Something fishy.
Also, never trust a born-again christian. They go full throttle bible thumper over-compensating for the life of depravity they lived. Super-annoying people. Don't be one of those people. Catholics have confession, you have to be repentant though.
Orthodox or simply read the bible with study groups. You have to find the right church if you want to go, so many places are subverted. I've found a small Russian orthodox church that seems pretty based. Some members lived in the former Soviet Union so know what's up.
>For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.