Why does Germany want to annex Austria

Why does Germany want to annex Austria
And why doesn't Austria want to?

I know historically that Germany was founded by Bismark, who incorporated anti-Catholic Liberal Nationalist policies into his regime, and tried to destroy the Catholic Church in Germany, so maybe Catholic Austria didn't want to be associated with that. Obviously, at that time, Austria had its own Empire and didn't need to be subservient to Prussian barbarians. Just because a country is similar, doesn't mean it is the same, anyway. Having more control in a smaller nation is better for the people.

It's not that we don't want to.

Austria let Prussia get too strong and we are suffering the consequences today.

Make no mistake, a Greater Österreich would result in a better world for us all

Because both are racially Germans (at least the natives). And before Napoleon they belonged to the same Reich for thousand years.

Imagine Norway would be split in North and South. Would it not be naturally that Norwegians want to unite again?

Austrians voted to join the German Reich under Hitler. Now they do not want anymore because they were indoctrinated for several decades.

Is there a connection between "Prussia" and "Russia" or is that a coincidence?

Then why?

>American education

Treaty of Versailles

>Austrians voted to join the German Reich under Hitler
>99.7%
Lol, a number which included most of Austria's Jews, free and fair election I'm sure

>Officials were present directly beside the voting booths and received the voting ballot by hand

Many Austrians welcomed Hitler's Germany, but 99,7% is definitely not the real result.

That came before Hitler

Hitler didn't say anything about the Jews in Austria

Yes, the peace treaty of WWI and the whole nazi thing are the reasons.

You have no idea what you're talking about
Austrians were outside cheering when German tanks rolled through their cities
t. live near Austria

Germany has 10 times the population and we'd just get drowned in a sea of lefty/Merkelian/post-Protestant madness.

It's preferable to lead by example by being the better Germany and demonstrate how the German people can be saved by an actually conservative and patriotic government.

God I wish I was in a Burschenschaft

Austria and Germany are still legally forbidden to unite today. Additionally after WWII a cultural shift occurred in Austria where they attempted to paint themselves as 'Hitler's first victim' despite welcoming the native Austrian Fuhrer with open arms. Now many see themselves as Austrian rather than German.
Even Wikipedia will tell you there was no need for coercion. Are you sure you aren't talking about Schuschnigg trying to manipulate votes for Austrian independence?

Why would I want to annex a muslim third world country? They should stay in their containment zone.

>Muh Russian/German hackers
It was celebrated all over Austria by millions of people going on the streets and cheering.

Do any of you seriously think it is possible for 99.7% of them to support annexation? I'm not even saying that the majority wouldn't have supported it but do you really think almost everyone wanted it? Why would the Jews vote against their own self interest? They are supposed to be smart right? Scotland and England have had the same monarch for 400 years and you can barely get 50% of people that want to maintain the United Kingdom.

And for that matter over 30% of Austrians voted for the Christian Social Party, which was explicitly anti-unification with germany

Wow your right, pic related, I guess they really just loved Stalin in the USSR and Kim in North Korea.

Germans are pretty fucking gay right now

Maybe if another Austrian is in charge of them again I'd say yes

>Do you really think it's possible
Apparently yes. I've yet to find a historian who has ever claimed the plebiscite was conducted and handled unfairly in favor of Germany.
>Jews
You do understand that the plebiscite concerning the Anschluss (Which was conducted in both Germany and Austria. Funnily enough the Germans in Germany voted for unification just a little less than the Germans in Austria) occurred AFTER Hitler had already rolled into Austria. Jews were not allowed to vote.

because that part of europe is pozzed and we do not associate ourselves with them

Bist im Urlaub Hansi?

You are (currently) not part of Austria. Hopefully that changes at some point, was comfy.

Austria is the least cucked German nation
Germany is the most cucked. If anything Austria needs to take Germany, not the reverse.

Hitler had a tremendous success, he fulfilled everything he promised, he united the Germans, he fixed the economy and suffering, he stopped the class struggle and communist threat, he ended Jewish degeneracy and promoted valuable German art and culture - his country even won the Olympic Games despite the relative kow population. Also, Austrians saw themselves as Germans, they wanted to unite. Jews were only a minority then, their votes did not have a significant impact. It is possible that 99.7% was incorrect, but surely it was more than 80%.

So, what about the failed military campaigns, most important the insane Russia invasion?
It damaged our countries beyond repair.

I would be happy if we could have Kurz instead of Merkel

Kurz is also a cuck, just not as big of a cuck as Merkel

Don't trust Dumbo; Strache, Hofer and Kickl are our only hope to fix this shit with (((democracy)))

If there's ever a referendum about one country joining another country, with soldiers inside voting booths, where over 95% votes in favor of joining the other country, it's all fake.

Doesn't take away the fact that a majority of the Austrians welcomed Nazi Germany at the time, you're right in that.

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> Austria where they attempted to paint themselves as 'Hitler's first victim' despite
Hey that's supposed to be u- i mean the cze- i mean Czechoslovakia!

>You do understand that the plebiscite concerning the Anschluss (Which was conducted in both Germany and Austria. Funnily enough the Germans in Germany voted for unification just a little less than the Germans in Austria) occurred AFTER Hitler had already rolled into Austria. Jews were not allowed to vote.

Even if I accepted everything you said they you already proved that the election was invalid. Your saying before Germany had approval right to annex austria they already changed their voting rules and disenfranchised a section of their population?

But as for:
>Apparently yes. I've yet to find a historian who has ever claimed the plebiscite was conducted and handled unfairly in favor of Germany.

Lol, I suppose that's easy if you've never read what a historian has said about it.
Wikipedia
>While historians concur that he votes were accurately counted,
>Although there is no doubt that the plebiscite result was manipulated and rigged, there was unquestionably a lot of genuine support for Hitler for carrying out the Anschluss.

But as for an actual historian, Ian Kershaw, in "Hitler"

>From Hitler’s perspective, it was a near-perfect result. Whatever the undoubted manipulative methods, ballot-rigging, and pressure to conform which helped produce it, genuine support for Hitler’s action had unquestionably been massive

>Those less enthusiastic had already been cowed into submission by the open brutality of the Nazi hordes, exploiting their triumph since the weekend to inflict fearful beatings or to rob and plunder at will, and by the first waves of mass arrests (already numbering between 10,000 and 20,000 in the early days) orchestrated by Himmler and Heydrich, who had arrived in Vienna on 12 March

Again I'm not even saying he couldn't have gotten over 50% but the election was clearly rigged.

If his accomplishments were so great why did he feel the need to fake the election?

That was after the Anschluss. Actually Hitler achieved tremendous success in the beginning, he conquered Poland, France and Norway. One essential error he made was letting the Brits escape at Dunekirk, because he hoped he could make peace with them. The Soviet invasion was just a preemptive war. Stalin planned anyway to attack Germany. Sadly there was an unuasual strong winter which was fatal.

Jews and their controlled countries damaged our countries beyond repair and still do.

no you dont

you want a southern reich

why aren't you then?

>If his accomplishments were so great why did he feel the need to fake the election?

Do you really think a man like Hitler would even take the remote risk of losing this referendum? Imagine the loss of face if that happened.

>If his accomplishments were so great why did he feel the need to fake the election?
There are some critics against this election, but it certainly was not fake. Even German Wikipedia states that probably at least 80% voted for the Anschluss. He wanted to confirm the will of Austrians that they agree with this to make it more legitimate internal and external.

> know historically that Germany was founded by Bismark, who incorporated anti-Catholic Liberal Nationalist policies into his regime

Bismarck was only anti-Catholic in his earlier political career, eventually he realized socialists were the greater threat and formed a coalition with the Catholics.

Germans
Would you kindly annex Schlesien?
Pretty please?

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Coincidence.
In German, it's Preußen and Rußland

Well if we are going back to the founding of Germany neither side wanted unity between Austria and Germany proper. The German Empire was designed to be a confederation with Prussia have preeminence, Prussia didn't want Austria in the empire since it would result in two issues. First would be the massive number of minorities used to varying degrees of autonomy, and the second was that Austria could always be a competitor to Prussia, potentially able to overthrow Prussian hegemony in times of conflict. On the other hand Austria agreeing to annexation would result in submitting to Prussian authority, weakening their own authority and meant that most of Hungary would likely split off either by consensus or revolt.

Also Otto Von Bismark didn't want to make Germany too powerful lest he unite Europe against Germany. If Germany annexed Austria in the 1870s or 1860s than it would give pretty much all of Europe incentive to oppose them. Ottomans, French, and Russians all sitting on German borders and opposed to German hegemony while Britain would hope to maintain the balance of power in Europe.

>fake election
>everyone welcoming Hitler with flowers

Is there a connection between Austria and Australia or is that a coincidence?

because we dont want to destroy our beautiful country and want to lead as a primeexample that there are alternatives.
we'd happily take bavaria though

Austria in the Anglicized form of Österreich which means Eastern Empire and for Australia, it comes from Austral which means south. Coincidence.

The nazis were welcomed with flowers in the Netherlands too, after a 4-day battle. If even 20% of the country supports national socialism, that's already a full city of Amsterdam.

That's especially remarkable if you consider the Dutch national socialist party had been marginal until the German invasion.

>we'd happily take bavaria though
We'd be happy tp join you

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>And why doesn't Austria want to?
Because the allies after WW2 wrote into their constitution that they are not allowed to and forced a massive indoctrination campaign on them.

They were willing to join germany twice and it never really worked out that well, first they wanted to join germany with their whole empire all non german speaking people included, second time was before ww2.

>Additionally after WWII a cultural shift occurred in Austria where they attempted to paint themselves as 'Hitler's first victim' despite welcoming the native Austrian Fuhrer with open arms.

Now that's a bunch of cliches and half-truths gone mainstream.

In reality, I've never heard anyone say we were Hitler's first victims outside lefty media. Austria being the 1st victim was made up by the Allies in the Moscow declaration in order to a. facilitate an anti-nazi uprising, and b. prepare the stage for the restoration of Austria. After all, an independent Austria was part of Germany's punishment.

It was a diplomatic talking point handed to the post-WW2 government in Vienna, Conservative/Socialist members of which indeed had just returned from concentration camps, or from exile. On a personal level they were victims, sure.

But Austrians were aware that we weren't liberated, but defeated. And that 1955 was the year of liberation, not 1945. When the last Allied troops were made to leave, an Austrian Chancellor stepped onto the balcony of the Belvedere to famously declare to a cheering crowd: "Austria is free!" Noone did that in 1945.

Decades later, stating that Austria was "liberated" in 1945 was edgy leftist shit noone took seriously. Now of course THE SAME edgy leftists who had pushed this ridiculous idea later were exactly the ones saying: Austria painted itselves as first victim.

That said, the Austrian (in parts pan-German) far-right had always been a very radical minority, with their share fluctuating between 5% and 30% max of the Austrian population. The rest went along with the Anschluß after resistance had become clearly pointless, and democracy, as well as Conservatives/Socialists in general had lost all credibility in the Civil War between them of 1934.

Stop larping as an Austrian, Dr. Jacob Teitelbaum.

All Germans belong to one German Reich.

Austria is just a cultural marxist as Germany or did not half of the population vote for van der Bellen? Also, it is full of Blacks and Turks.

Fifty bucks that its an amerilard with no knowledge of European history larping.

In truth, after 1866 an independent Austrian-German identity had been growing stronger, and in 1938 it was definitely already dominant; so it was pretty easy to revive in 1945. How it came to all that was of course due to mere historical chance, and a German WW victory might have still reversed the idea of a separate Austrian identity. But they lost, and at this point it's pretty much irreversible.

I'm trying to be as objective as possible here. We do have a very strong and influential pan-German elite (as represented by the pan-German fraternities), but ideologically they are complete outliers, isolated from 99% of Austrians who do in fact feel Austrian today. The electorate went along with voting for them out of desperation, and wanting to remain Austrian - as opposed to Muslim or African. The FPÖ knows this and that'scwhy you see them waving red-white-red flags in public.

I don't think any FPÖ member would want to unite with Germany as it is now. It is very far gone and not really a cultural center anymore.

We are not going to give the world an excuse to fuck our shit up for the third time in a row. This time we will use their idiotic, self-destructive policies against them by turning them ad absurdum until everybody is forced to adopt the measures we told them about 70 years ago. Then we will finally be vindicated. Sorry that you have to suffer that shit for a while longer Poland, you have always been the patsy for idiotic power plays and this does not appear to change anytime soon.

its okay hans, it will all be over soon

While laboring on a summer job a few years ago I met a (perfectly Austrian) law student who said he was in fact German, and if that was not possible he wants to be recognized as German minority in Austria, just like all the other minorities. He was about to join a fraternity.

As I said, these people exist, wield influence and power (and will do even more so a few weeks from now), but numerically they're complete outliers.

the fucking piefke will never stop their faggorty

that's because their king had anglo blood

I am not Polish
So don't call me 'Poland'
I am ethinic Silesian
in 90s and 80s Germany would invite countless Silesians to live in Germany.

Because of that, half of my family lives in Germany, they have already assimilated and they barely speak polish/silesian.
That's why I am also learning German

>Polish flag
What else was I to call you, except proxy shill, without further information? You either move here yourself or you have to wait until the next collapse happens and we salvage you out of it, if we don't fall in the attempt.

I googled it and I know the name "Schlesien" from history. Pretty fascinating, I know nothing about it.

>Burger education

>Groß Österreich
>Österreich

Don't worry
I will, but first in need to raise my qualifications ( Doing RHCSA right now, I know that I will get a very decent job thanks to this )

And two, I need to improve mein deutsch
Sadly, I only started learning it recently, I still have a long way to go but I am planning to take some expensive courses in order to learn it faster

Is it written in the Austrian constitution,never to unite with Germany?

I dont think Turkmany is in any position to annex anyone desu

Don't know about austria but the german constitution forbids increasing the territory of germany by any means, with exception of regaining the territories of the GDR.

Will austria take Bavaria undee its wings? We are brothers! And your Empress is from Bavaria.

Please help us Austria. You are Bavarias only hope!

t. Bavarian

Do you really think austria is gonna take you after they shoveled so many refugees over the border into you?

GDR?

We'll first send em to you Kevin-Sören

Fucking burger education everytime

Greater Dollar Republic

How/why did Austria hook up with Hungary, and why did they split?

Send them to Berlin so we don't lose anything of value when we firebomb them to hell.

German Democratic Republic. The former vassal state of the soviet union, now disbanded and integrated into modern Germany,

Great Dominican Republic

>Send them to Berlin
Tzat would be sending them home

Is that what comes after the Jamaica coalition?

>Pretty fascinating, I know nothing about it.

Austrian education

It's in the Austrian State Treaty of 1955 (guaranteed by the US, GB, France, USSR/Russia), so part of our constitution: any kind of political or economic union with Germany, directly or indirectly, is strictly forbidden.

So all 4 countries would have the right to go to war with us, but in reality the provision is 100% moot since we joined the EU. Russia eventually backed down.

Well they did the second time

>any kind of political or economic union with Germany, directly or indirectly, is strictly forbidden.
>EU
How is it (((EU))) and (((Eurozone))) allowed then?

The real answer is this:

Germany is a federal republic made up of states similar to the USA. It's constitution used to have a provision that would allow for the addition of new states (IE. Alsace, Luxemburg, Switzerland, Eupen, Austria).

Some time in the 1970's they outlawed that provision, so Germany can't admit new states. This also goes hand in hand with the fact that Austria is practically forbidden for joining Germany by France and GB

Austrians did, just look how happy they were when Hitler annexed them. But Why would leaders of Austrian state want to destroy their own state and basically put themselves out of a job?

>mfw the constitution wouldn't cover the scenario of only Bavaria and Austria unifying
tbqh, I think if you'd ask the people here, you'd get a majority for this easily. And I'm sure most Saupreißn would love to see the "le rightwing farmer" part of Germany split off aswell. It'd be a win-win situation.

Is your IQ less than 60?
No one is doubting that majority of Austrians supported union with Germany but 99.7% is clearly a meme number

Who's going to fucking stop them? They're sovereign countries.

Holy shit what a faggot constitution lmao
"Don't become more powerful or more important citizens."

>Who's going to fucking stop them? They're sovereign countries.
It's pretty ironic that you are asking this, Mr. World Police.

Not related to the thread, but this is my ideal Anglo empire. Any issue with it?

That doesn't make sense, they admitted
East Germany

Yeah, I'll laugh when the first Mars colonies are established and we can't because "it's illleeeeeeegaaaaaaal"!

>Why does Germany want to annex Austria
>And why doesn't Austria want to?

pic related
also immigration they want Austra to be filled with niggers.

What? You think we're going to declare war on you if you unite with Austria?
Why would we give a shit?

Why do you think so many lefties (that many of which are now politicians mind you) went on the streets and sreamed "Imperialism" on the top of their lungs back then?

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