I’m writing a paper on South Africa, specifically on its economy but I can be broad in discussing it.
It’s a country I have a strong interest in but only have superficial knowledge of. Can anyone point me in the right direction for getting woke on it, specifically on how the country has been Post-Apartheid?
Figured we can have a general thread for discussion of South African history, culture, current events and really anything related. I’ll probably post these regularly, hopefully we can all learn a thing or two.
In your essay, you could include how more than 70k Whites have been murdered by the black majority since 1994, how farm murders are increasing, the fact that Nelson Mandela was sponsored by the USSR to bring down White South Africa, the fact that South Africa crime rate has more than tripled since black rule, mention racist affirmative action policies that only benefit the stupid black majority. Shit like that.
Owen Collins
You can tell people theres lots of niggers there
Joseph Carter
I imagine myself in Europe, leading my Platoon. Our mission is to stop wh*Te dogs from advancing. We mow down wh*Te dogs but they keep coming. I shoot wh*Te dogs but I run out of ammo so I draw my sword and begin slaughtering wh*Tes, since wh*Tes are way more psychically inferior to me, I slay them by dozens. Then I get shot, but I didn't fall, I kept fighting. Then shot again and again. wh*Tes were shooting me from a distance like a cowards they are. I lie down, facing up to sky and I see KARA BOĞA (Allah) smiles at me, I smile back... Then I woke up, in Africa, my homeland. My BLACK brethren gave me a warm welcome to heaven. I finally made it, I finally made it into heaven
Jaxon Sanchez
>nigger >with metal tolls uhm no sweety pls stop apropriating our culture
>Crime compare pre-apartheid murder and rape rates to post-apartheid >Infastructure it's pretty archaic - frequent power outages, terrible internet etc >Race-related laws I can't remember where it is, but i saw a meme on Sup Forums which compared race-related laws pre and post apartheid - WAY more post-apartheid >Lack of recognition of the Khoisan people they were the original inhabitants before the dutch, and then the bantuniggers arrived. bantuniggers refuse to acknowledge them and recognise their rights as per the constitution
That should get you started
Charles Ortiz
Saffa reporting in. What do you want to know user?
Dylan Rodriguez
Ignore the meme flag. Not sure how that happened.
Wyatt Baker
you do know those are wood right, retard? >see flag ups sorry
James Murphy
These things are animals... not humans... this is why they need to be segregated. Filthy
It’s not quite is that wanted them in charge. We were sanctioned to hell and high water to force us to put them in charge. We stupidly relented and here we are staring down the abyss of a possible failed state in the making.
Zachary Rodriguez
watch a documentary called "apartheid did not die" by john pilger
Benjamin Wright
Is.. Is that supposed to be a warrior..?
I know you motherfuckers are huge when we're feeding you, but this is you naturally? Holyshit lmao
Juan Powell
>surely that wasn't brought by arab invaders I just showed the picture proving that the Africans knew how to make swords I did not tell them they were warriors
Luis Reyes
There’s a book that’s been released recently about our criminal president. Causing quite a bit of a stir with the government trying to suppress it. It’s called the President’s Keepers and ought to be easy to find on pdf on the net.
Thomas Lopez
you think they are? surely you don't believe that u wuz vandlz right? or that the punic wars were fought against BLACKS - sure there was niggers units, but that was because carthage relied on mercs
Mason Garcia
>centuries of trade you think niggers were smithing in those mud huts?
Dominic Ramirez
>10th to 15th century. please dont procreate.
Jonathan Kelly
Someone had to go there and convert people to Islam
You who have come to annoy us in Africa and sending us to other countries, if someday the whole world becomes BLACK is solely your responsibility
Ryan Clark
Woah threads blowing up
Thanks guys nice info.
Well I’m not just trying to leech info so this is a general information thread, but specifically the topic is something like “Ethnic Conflict as an Impediment to Economic Development”.
What I need specifically is economic data, but general information of any sort is great too. I’m curious about the country outside the paper
James Garcia
Someone had to go there and convert people to Islam
Mason Kelly
South African Videos #1 ---------------------------------------------- South Africa is Americas future (goto 47m51s) listen for 3 minutes youtu.be/JY8OgBzFLJU?t=47m51s
Produced Ashanti City-State (1670–1902) to present >looks arab >17th century onwards CENTURIES OF TRADE
Lucas Gomez
South Africa Videos #2 ------------------------------------------------ Radio Free South Africa with Karin Smith (Great 3 hour video to get you up to speed on South Africa) youtu.be/O-9Q6ZD282w
Start with History of South Africa Pt 1 of 12 Many Societies
This guy has a bunch of great videos that are on the whole balanced, though he tends to lie a tad by omission. If you want to understand the history of South Africa watch his videos with a grain of salt. -- Some military History of South Africa for you guys that like some War history.
In his book Long Walk to Freedom Nelson Mandela wrote that as a leading member of the ANC’s executive committee, he had “personally signed off” in approving acts of terrorism. The horror which Mandela had “signed off” for while he was in prison – convicted for other acts of terrorism after the Rivonia trial. The late SA president P.W. Botha told Mandela in 1985 that he could be a free man as long as he did just one thing: ‘publicly renounce violence’. Mandela refused. That is why Mandela remained in prison until the appeaser Pres F W de Klerk freed him unconditionally. The bottom line? Nelson Mandela never publicly renounced the use of violence to further the ‘cause of freedom’.
Ghandi on South Africa from Ghandi's "Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi"
Sept. 24, 1903: “We believe as much in the purity of race as we think they do… We believe also that the white race of South Africa should be the predominating race.” — Vol. 3, p. 256
Feb. 15, 1904: “Under my suggestion, the Town Council must withdraw the Kaffirs from the Location. About this mixing of the Kaffirs with the Indians, I must confess I feel most strongly. I think it is very unfair to the Indian population.” — Vol. 3, p. 429
Feb. 29, 1908: “The British rulers take us to be so lowly and ignorant that they assume that, like the Kaffirs who can be pleased with toys and pins, we can also be fobbed off with trinkets.” — Vol. 8, p. 167
Mar. 7, 1908: “Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilised – the convicts even more so…. The reader can easily imagine the plight of the poor Indian thrown into such company!” — Vol. 8, p. 199
Camden Cruz
Whenever there is talk, as in Europe and also by some in our own land, that the solution of this conflict lies in the merger of all people—so-called integration—they don’t understand that this is not unification. All that will happen is the destruction of the white race. Not integration, but disintegration—disintegration of the white race, of the civilization and the religion that we have inherited—is the sole result. Therefore, even though we cannot trek any further, we say just like the Voortrekker of old: ‘We can still fight.’ And we will fight, even if we must perish, but we will keep fighting for the survival of the white man at the southern end of Africa and the religion that was given to him to spread here. And we will do it just as [the Voortrekkers] did: man, woman, and child. We will fight here for our existence, and the world needs to know it. We can do nothing else. We stand like Luther with the Reformation, with our back against the wall. We fight not for money or property. We fight for the life of our folk.
But we fight not only for our folk. I am deeply convinced in my heart that we fight for the survival of white civilization. . . . The white man at the southern end of Africa is an outpost of white civilization and as such the vanguard of the fighting mass, sent out ahead to the point where the first attacks must come. . . . Therefore we send the message to the outside world and we tell them, yet again, that there is only one salvation for the white race of the world. This is that whites and non-whites in Africa should each enjoy their own rights within their own territories. --South African Prime Minister Dr. Hendrik Verwoerd 1958
you DO(not past tense) not any metal tech those are imports, sold for shiny rocks and rare beast(negro prisioners of war included)
Caleb Ramirez
1992 - The referendum. The question was phrased in such a way that no one understood it as a capitulation toward black rule. There was a lot of media scare mongering at the time and pressure by employers (e.g. increased sanctions and job losses) if people decided to vote "no". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_apartheid_referendum,_1992
They did not all agree for an all-race election. They were coerced into it. This is quite a long story. The PFP (its manifestation today is known as the Democratic Alliance, recently led by Hellen Zille) supporters were for one-man-one vote. They were the official opposition in parliament for many years. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Federal_Party
In fact, the National party split into the rebel Conservative Party (CP) under Dr. Andries Treurnicht, who did not want to go along anymore on the treacherous National Party road. The CP replaced the PFP as the official opposition. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(South_Africa)
Members of the Defense Force wanted to rebel, there even was talk of a revolt by them. De Klerk fired some of these top officers and replaced them by loyalists: sahistory.org.za/archive/top-army-officers-purged
Newspaper articles appeared which wrote about the United States apparently having airfield bases in, if I remember correctly, Botswana (have to read it up again, my memory is fading, these events took place a long time ago, perhaps 'Bantu Education' will remember), and ready to invade South Africa if there was no one-man-one-vote elections in 1994.
Some of the political turmoils of those times have been described in this book (there are some controversial facts, nevertheless it is a good book to begin with for an outsider) - 'Warfare by other means': galago.co.za/CAT1_I.htm
30,000 white people killed out of a population of 4.5 million since 1994 ? (South African Crime Stats) There are 196 million Whites in the US. 196/4.5=43.5 times more white population in the US 43.5 x 30,000=1,305,000
Dr. Gregory Stanton who was the head of the United Nations Security Council's Rwandan Criminal Tribunal and the head of the Cambodian Genocide Project is saying that the number is 70,000 whites since 1994. genocidewatch.com/about-the-president If that is true and I don't see why he would be lying, He is the leading person in the world on genocide and runs genocidewatch.com
70,000 people out of a population of 4.5 million ? (Interpol / Genocidewatch.com Stats) There are 196 million Whites in the US. 196/4.5=43.5 times more white population in the US 43.5 x 70,000=3,045,000
NOW Karin Smith is saying the number is actually 120,000
120,000 people out of a population of 4.5 million ? There are 196 million Whites in the US. 196/4.5=43.5 times more white population in the US 43.5 x 120,000= 5,220,000
So that is the equivalent of almost 1.3 - 5.2 million US Whites being killed since 1994 (23 years) That's the equivalent of 56,739 to 226,086 (141,412 avg) US Whites a year being murdered..
Read this in the comments.. I mean seriously wtf "I was born here in South Africa. I am one of the whites without work and have kids who have no future here. My parents wanted to visit my sister last year in Wales, but due to corruption they could not get their visas. We are getting blocked at the embassy so that we can’t leave South Africa. If I could, I would have left with my kids. I have 4 daughters and my fear is that they will get gang raped. They gang rape women and most off the times the husband have to look on helplessly. My son told me of a murder in another province where a man got home from work and his wife and sons were not home or so he thought. He found is wife and oldest son hanged in is room and the 6-year-old he found in the garage. His head was still in the vice and his head burst open. The robbers kicked him, strangled him and because he didn’t die they took him to the garage and put his head in the vice and tortured him by clamping his head with the vice until his head exploded. The father is now in the mental institution. He had CCTV cameras in his house and watch the footage and saw what happened to his family. We live with burglar bars on our windows, safety gates on our doors and six feet walls to stay alive, but still they get in. Oh and don’t forget the electric fences. We are prisoners in our own homes."
The Khoisan today (the original inhabitants of South Africa who were wiped out by the bantu in the Eastern parts of the region) were assimilated by the Dutch. The marjority are called coloureds today and are very mixed. They speak Afrikaans, are Calvinist Christian and hate blacks. This is in the Cape were there are no black African land claims. We only met the first Blacks at the Great Fish river along the east coast 150 years after landing on the cape.
Meanwhile Shaka's conquests ended up causing a domino affect of famine and war that ended up killing off 2 million Africans in the early 19th century. Nigs being self destructive nigs. Eventually there was less than 50 000 Bantu (Blacks) fleeing around in small groups from marauding tribes in an area the size of France when the Boers trekked into the interior to found their Republics. Manifest destiny without bloody hands.
The British then imported African labour to work in the mines and up until the 1920s hundreds of thousands move to Johannesburg from Zimbabwe, Botswana and Mozambique for work. They assimilated with the blacks already there and their descendants act like they're natives when they are in fact immigrants. We are suffering the from the future that Europe and sooner America will have.
Go back to the beginning and listen to one of her vids everyday. Very soon you'll be caught up on everything South African. She interviews all the important historians in South Africa. and
Jeff Rense did a program about South African Blacks EATING people.
Camden Howard
How many Blacks were killed by the Apartheid government ? archive.is/tnpd3
518
Ayden Morales
The Portuguese mariner Bartolomeu Dias was the first European to explore the coastline of South Africa in 1488 The first European known to have landed on what is now the United States was Ponce de Leon, as he set foot in Florida in 1513
The Dutch set up a refreshment station in 1652.
The original white settlers of the Cape first came face to face with the Bantu (Xhosa Blacks) around 1770 on the banks of the Great Fish River, 120 years after Van Riebeeck (Dutch) came to the Cape and 1000 km east of Cape Town. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xhosa_Wars#Background
Meanwhile Shaka's conquests ended up causing a domino affect of famine and war that ended up killing off 2 million Africans in the early 19th century. Eventually there was less than 50 000 Blacks fleeing around in small groups from marauding tribes in an area the size of France when the Boers trekked into the interior to found their Republics. Manifest destiny without bloody hands.
Before that the only contact with other races had been with the Capoid races of Koi and San (Koisan) Bushman that had been on the Cape since the first day the Dutch and French arrived. After a few skirmishes the Afrikaners and Koisan lived fairly well together until present day.
sunray22b.net/anc.htm#Jews Founded The ANC archive.is/XuW6E In 1963 a group of Jews founded the South African National Congress MK. The ANC/MK was founded by Lionel Bernstein, Bob Hepple, Denis Goldberg, Arthur Goldreich, Hazel Goldreich and James Kantor, with a few African front men -- Nelson Mandela, Walter Sisulu, Govan Mbeki (father of Thabo Mbeki), Raymond Mhlaba, and Ahmed Kathrada. In this, the ANC/MK followed the model the Jews established when they founded the NAACP in the United States, with the exception that the ANC was a much more violent and openly communist organization. These Jews and their African National Congress received funding and support from both the Soviet Union and the US CIA.
sunray22b.net/umkhonto_we_sizwe.htm archive.is/LqdQj Umkhonto we Sizwe was the military side of the ANC, commanded by Nelson Mandela, Denis Goldberg, Rusty Bernstein, Harold Wolpe and Joe Slovo. All except Mandela were Jews of the South African Communist Party. Umkhonto laid on the foot soldiers. The Jews had the brains, the knowledge and the international contacts to organize strategy, tactics, weapons, explosives and training. Some/most/all of the finance came from Harry Oppenheimer maurice-ostroff.org/south-african-jews-against-apartheid/
Nelson Mandela sings about killing whites youtube.com/watch?v=fcOXqFQw2hc For anyone wondering who those two white guys are. The guy on the far-left is Joe Slovo and the guy to the right of Mandela is Ronnie Kasrils. Both are Jewish communists from Lithuania (USSR).
In many ways the future of the Whites in Africa parallel the history of the Bushmen in Africa.
The Bushmen are now called the Khoisan in PC circles. However I will use Bushmen out of respect, as Khoisan literally means “men-thieves and murderers.” The Bushmen are possibly the original humans. They occupied virtually the whole of Africa. From the Cape to Cairo they were the dominant group. Their presence can be seen in the rock paintings present from the cape all the way to Egypt. They were the dominant race of humans in prehistory.
The Bushmen had a universalistic view of the world. There was no individual ownership of land. Land belonged to the tribe and the ancestors. When they hunted the animals some groups would apologise to the animals that they had to kill them for food.
However their Eden-like existence did not continue. Blacks from West Africa essentially spread out, displacing the Bushmen until the only areas left were the deserts and the winter rainfall areas of southern Africa. Then came the Whites and then with the Black population movements caused by the Mfecane (a period of warfare and population movements from 1815–1840), they now control nothing. Recently the Black government of Botswana decided to remove even the little land that the Bushmen had and use it for other purposes. The few Bushmen remaining are the downtrodden servants of all, without a land of their own. They have left a faint genetic footprint principally amongst the coloured people of the Cape and even more weakly amongst some Black tribes and the Afrikaner, but they are a lost people. Their final fate is as a tourist attraction for rich White liberals who can feel good about their misery.
Elijah Evans
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Evan Ross
Morality and Abstraction #1
Thomas Gonzalez
Morality and Abstraction #2
Lucas Jenkins
Blacks are NOT indigenous to South Africa
Logan Bailey
So comfy now
Asher King
Welcome to the Twilight Zone
Jaxson Bennett
100% serious Even a lot of black people I know feel that Apartheid was better for SA because even black people had more jobs and got better education under Apartheid Our economy was far better under Apartheid (other than the US etc sanctions, fuck you muricans)
Jacob Hernandez
Wow thanks, this is great. I’m going to systematically start going through this and the rest of the thread tonight. Wasn’t expecting such a quick response!
I just wrote thanks to anything that looked like data or information, I’m going to look through all of this in depth later and try to contribute to the thread then as well.
Hearing Lamprecht on TRS awhile ago was what first made me aware of this stuff. Besides that and molymeme videos I haven’t looked into it much so all these links are great
Jace Young
Hahahaha no nigger
Tyler Morales
Seconded, should be pretty interesting for people that weren't already aware of how connected and far spread zumas corruption truly is
Gabriel Harris
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Joshua Jones
The best CURRENT videos are on Lamprecht's site and here
There is a bunch of other stuff on that site. They should make just a South Africa Channel. Karen Smith is by far the most dialed in person about what is going on in south Africa day to day. That woman sends a snail mail letter the every US Congress man every month about South Africa, as well as all the new stations.
Ryder Miller
Another book you can look into is How Long Will South Africa Survive by RW Johnson. Basically outlines the web of corruption in the ANC, and then focusses on our impending slide towards an IMF bailout along with the socioeconomic implications that would cause. Haven’t read The President’s Keeper yet, but the government is trying to ban the book so it must have hit a nerve. The crux of the matter is that the government is corrupt to the core and has spent more than they should on wasteful and corrupt dealings. We are running out of money. The government is now trying to shift the focus on the white minority to detract from their ineptitude. Geensinds.
Jack Walker
Khoi San >>>>>>>>> Zulus, Xhosas and niggers in general The Khoi San are nothing like the barbaric niggers
Adrian Morgan
The apartheid should have kicked out all the googles while it had the chance. SA would have been a booming country right now.
Luke Campbell
The Khoi-San peoples are still black, retard.
Eli Lee
bump
William Campbell
Fuck cape town is such a beautiful place
Joshua Brown
Physical Anthropologists disagree with you. The Khoisan disagree with you. The 142 racial based laws in South Africa such as Affirmative Action and Black Economic Empowerment disagree with you.
Australian Aboriginals are black as well I bet ?
Caleb Nelson
It's developing rapidly and is one of the more developer countries in Africa, but poverty, unemployment, crime, disease, and other problems are still serious and widespread.
Angel Ross
non-meme answer:
If you want academically credible info, check out the South African Institute of Race Relations (SAIRR). It's a highly respected and well-resourced private think tank that provides the only reliable stats and analysis on economics and race relations in SA. "Ethnic conflict as an impediment to development" is exactly the kind of thing the SAIRR does.
White genocide is a meme, except for farmers who really are getting slaughtered at supernormal levels even for SA and in ways that make the Nanking massacre look like a tea party. This fact is no longer doubted by most commentators. Everything else you hear on Sup Forums about SA is a meme though.
Ryan Bennett
I forgot to mention RW Johnson. He's a great resource on SA. See also Anthea Jeffrey. Both are right-of-centre and very well respected academics who have written extensively on your topic.