"There is no economic reason why free education cannot flourish from schools through colleges and university."
What do you think? As Americans we've already decided that providing education from K through 12 should be a right. Why should or shouldn't we extend that through higher education as well?
I think we should because it would give Americans an academic advantage over the rest of the world. Also fuck the jew debt.
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Daily reminder, (((Norman Chomsky))) has never been correct about anything.
Wouldn't do much good. Most people come out of college dumb as a brick.
Clearly, but college is a farce.
Most upward class mobility occurs in the private sector and is rewarded to entrepreneurs--and that's the province of inventors, innovators and tradesmen.
chomsky is the only ((())) that avoids the oven
Because private schools are better, teachers want their students to excel to enlist more kids and to further their schools reputation
While public schools just want to get kids from one calls to another, drop the bar as low as possible even then the only ones that succeed are the ones that are smart
I would argue that private schools are better for general population they still you and keep pushing you
lol no
The reason not to is because there's nothing in place to keep costs controlled. They'll just keep bloating their administrations.
In the past college students did part time jobs to pay for their education, you know the jobs that they now think they are above doing. This gave them a better understanding of the world around them. Now they are a bunch of entitled cry babies. Having a part time job should be made popular again.
That would require schools to actually weed out the retards before letting them in.
Look at how American public schools perform. They are awful. Merely establishment indoctrination camps... university is already bad enough with all the retarded c grade students getting easy loans. Degrees have been over saturated. You know what happens when everyone and their dog can get a degree? The degree becomes worthless! College ought to be for elite intelligent or for kids whose parents are willing to take financial investment to send them to college. Idiot socialists don't get it
Reminder that you only need a guide to what you need to learn, because education is completely free if you can read english and have an internet connection.
This. Having a life coach has done more for me than ever having a teacher did.
moronic, if anything college costs should rise and student loans should be abolished. If everyone has a degree a degree becomes worthless, but then again i guess youd have to take a college economics course to understand supply and demand you fucking communist puppet.
Unfortunately this is not taught today. When I was in school we were taught to always go to the library and find out things for ourselves. We were told learning to read was the most important thing we could learn. This was before computers. Oldfag here.
>tax payers pend billions on STUDENTS TUITIONS instead of MILLIONS on teachers salaries
it makes no fucking sense
was that back when you had a cool orange stripe instead of your red toothpaste flag?
Argentina has free higher education. All of the waiters and shoe salesmen were unemployed doctors and lawyers.
Free ain't free.
Also, get the govt. out of colleges. You'll see tuition come down to a realistic level. Though, textbooks are still a fucking racket.
I don't know if it's intentional class warfare or just coincidence that the last generation shit on us with their education opportunity. power wants to preserve itself before everything else. My guess is that our situation as students today is a result of that natural conclusion
Because the k-12 education is a joke as it is? Why would putting college under the same control as those who thought that no child left behind was a good idea be beneficial?
college should only be free for in demand fields, imo
liberal arts fags can remain baristas
Chomsky is mostly a contrarian.
Now that he can collect social security he says professors should take a pay cut.
Leftist professors expect big paychecks
Universities expect big money for university research across almost every field they have majors in
Illegals and other non-whites expect free or severely discounted tuition
And someone has to pay for all of that.
BUT college's ultimate problem is the professions for most college degrees are over-saturated, so most college degrees are economically worthless. And what few that still have value the universities are throwing up walls to limit the number of whites (especially white males) in order to transfer this nation's wealth to non-whites and drive whites into the poverty class.
A good intermediary solution would probably be to subsidise certain majors like engineering.
>Allow all people to go to college without rigorous selection process
>Wonder why Bachelor Degree is the new High School Degree minimum for minimum wage jobs.
>Confused why most Public K-12 is adult babysitting
Yes spend more time in school why don't we make Masters and PhD's free for everyone too that way you can get your first job at mcdonalds at 30 with a PhD in Gender Studies.
Once you keep lowering the standards and barriers of entry for higher education you don't get an academic edge you just dilute the pool of would-be great minds because Pablo and Taneesha learn a little slower than ChingChong and John.
hold up here... are you just talking smack or is this true. everyone is right sometimes no?
>Chomsky
>Knowing anything
>least of all linguistics
he ruined linguistics and set it back about 60 years. Neuroscientists are finally undoing all the retarded shit he forced onto the field and solving all of the intractable problems he set out in the 50s and made zero progress with. Chomsky (because of the inner jew) claimed all language was like some computer program and you just needed to fit all the pieces together. Today it's well accepted language is more like a hilly topography with peaks and valleys of connections and we learn in a very probabilistic and haphazard way.
When he finally dies we can put all of his shitty ideas to bed and completely crack human and near-human AI.
To give you another explanation, Chomsky thought language was a mutation and did not evolve, he literally said God did it because he couldn't find a linear explanation for language capacity. He is a theorist of computer languages and pushed that field in the wrong direction, setting back AI at least AT LEAST for 50 years. Without Chomsky we go with the behaviorists and skinner, and we make curiosity driven computers which learn based on what the user teaches them, instead of the monolithic monstrosities we have today with operating systems and deterministic software.
Decades and decades of going in the wrong direction.
I would argue Chomsky is one of the main reasons we don't have robotics today. Because the software of robotics has to be neural and human like, not programmed and procedural. Could you imagine programming every activity a robot can do by hand? This was literally what they thought a human was back then.
So fuck Chomsky, fuck his politics, but especially fuck this meme that he's a linguist and should stick to linguistics. Linguistics left Chomsky behind a long time ago, he was a hindrance, and only set the human race back with a WRONG idea.
Take into account how much more advanced sciences today are.
College is a tool on it's own to keep whites down, back before the civil rights era if a company wanted to hire you they'd just give you a IQ test. The outlawing of this is one of the first things that was gotten rid of by the civil rights movement.
So college became a medium of an IQ test but non whites get affirmative action something that can't happen with an IQ test non whites cannot get affirmative action on IQ tests.
Dumbass College is too expensive now for a part time job to pay for everything. A good part time job makes you say 300/week. A cheap.college costs 5k/semester for classes and shit, and probably 8-9k a year for cheap housing and food. So let's do some benefit of the doubt bullshit and go for the lower end and say College only costs 17k a year. This is also assuming you have a dope part time job making 300/week. Most college students would be closer to 200/week. 200*52 is 10,400 a year, before the government comes and taxes your ass. It's just not possible anymore. 10.4k is nowhere near enough to feed yourself and pay a bunch of rich fags for the privilege of "learning" from them.
The problem, Noam, is when you decide grant positive rights, you have to abrogate someone else's right to do what they wish with their property.
You lower the cost of tuition, you lower the quality of the school.
>Without Chomsky we go with the behaviorists and skinner.
You actually gave power to those assholes, they were behind the CIA psy ops department.
All this it's their fault, they set humanity back another 50 years.
making college free makes a college degree's worth go down, making it just another prerequisite for basic entry-level jobs, worth nothing more than a high school degree today
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>(((Noam Chomsky)))
>"""""free"""""
fucking newfags
sage.
publicly funded "free" k-12 education is a tool used to keep the majority of children busy so their parents can both work
every single thing taught in the k-5 ranges is re-taught in years 6-8....high school is a complete waste of time, those teens should be learning a trade or starting community college level courses (for those actually smart enough to pursue a college education)
the majority of crap jobs can be done by a person with an 8th grade education....I know, I was waiting tables, cleaning hotel rooms, and working fast food the summer before high school....
the best solution, would be a merit-based education system where only the best and the brightest are university educated, everyone else should learn a trade....no matter how rich/poor your family is....
hell, just getting the majority of the US to read and do math at an 8th grade level would be an improvement, and it could easily be done with only 3 years of public education that actually focused on the basics of reading, writing, math, and government
But no one wants to fix education, they want to work within the current obsolete system
>quality, as in no more multi-billion dollar work out centers for student athlete programs. No more centers for diversity, inclusion, and african basket weaving classes.
Raise cost on social studies programs and let them pay for STEM classes. Fixed.
Cost is not a reliable metric for determining quality. Colleges and universities are extremely wasteful with money.
t. Works for a western US university
How would that work out long term? What economic effects would you expect to see Finbro?
Private non-profit schools have far better outcomes. Oh but don't say that to Mr. Socialist.
Let's say college degrees do indeed have value. If you make obtaining one free the value will automatically go down to nothing. But this assumes Chomsky is arguing in good faith. The fact is, he's made a fortune spouting this nonsense so anything he says is being said for a paycheck.
Well an increase in high technology industries. I am not sure however, that the demand for stem educated people could stay as high as the output, but considering how it has in europe, it should. Also a population that is better educated in sciences can make more rational choises.
Noam Chomsky:
>mildly agreeable bipartisan statement
>Globalism is the enemy
>The only solution is more globalism
>Buy my book.
>Ad hominem attacks
Brainlets everyone!
>being a salty noam cuck
You know damn well my summary of Noam is accurate.
He preys on faggy leftist college students to sell books.
And you can't let go because it's babbies first book.
Here's a better quote:
>We love eloquence for its own sake, and not for any truth which it may utter, or any heroism it may inspire.
Henry David Thoreau
That's him predicting the future existence of Noam Chomsky. Who essentially talks about the same idea while being guilty of it himself. And people like you bite the biscuit and make him a very rich man.
>Chomsky: High College Tuition Is a Blunt Instrument to Keep the Middle Class Down
why does this sound alarms in my head of extreme and gross counter-semitisim?
This it's just typical intellectual anti intellectualism, addressing the character yet not the ideas and complaining about his fanboys as they had anything to do with it.
The student debt bubble will pop soon. Especially if Devos/Trump start taxing loan payment interest.
It's factually wrong though. The middle class clings to the ever dwindling labour/trade market. Knowledge based fields are the first to become automated. Google can do in 2ms what used to take a whole team of academic researchers 2 years.
I am addressing his ideas.
His ideas are just vapid doublespeak. He doesn't have any fucking ideas. You have to literally be the most mentally retarded piece of garbage to think Chomsky is saying anything half the time he talks let alone anything original.
>tax payers should pay for women studies degrees
How about no.
I mean you want an example of vapid doublespeak.. he talks about free education in the OP example. Well okay Noam. What's stopping you from giving all of your books away for free?
Why doesn't Noam give his important speeches for free? Why does he charge 25 grand to do a speech? I thought he believed in free education.
So I digress back to what Thoreau says about eloquence.
His slavering retard fans lap it up even though it is without substance because he makes it sound pretty. Truth demands no eloquence.
>At the other end of the spectrum, at about the same time, the liberal internationalists of the Trilateral Commission published their lament over "The Crisis of Democracy" that arose in the "terrible" '60s, when previously apathetic and marginalized parts of the population -- the great majority -- began to try to enter the political arena to pursue their interests. That posed an intolerable burden on the state. Accordingly, the Trilateral scholars called for more "moderation in democracy," a return to passivity and obedience. The American rapporteur, Harvard professor Samuel Huntington, reminisced nostalgically about the time when "Truman had been able to govern the country with the cooperation of a relatively small number of Wall Street lawyers and bankers," so that true democracy flourished.
Democracy crisis, the goym wanted to enter politics.
there is a tuition for k-12 its called taxes, which are astronomical at least in new york. if i did not have to pay for stupid brats and a bunch of niggers and spics my taxes would be halved.
now people want college to be (((Free)))? kys
College prices are high because faggots keep trying to subsidize it.
Also, not everybody should go to college. Only those who are smart enough and/or have the work ethic should go. Putting a price on it is what filters out idiots and lazy fags.
You can be spectators but not participants.
High tuition is the result of Academics fancying themselves as celebrities and supporting our present culture of celebrities (because the celebrities in turn promote them) instead of standing up to it and standing up for the little guy.
In 1990 he said about eastern europe that they would be destroyed by shifting away from socialism and they would just be exploited by japanese capital. Of course they experienced unprecedented poverty reduction since then, exactly opposite what he said would happen. He's also on record holding up Venezuela as a good example of real socialism at work. How'd that work out?
Daily reminder: Noam Chomsky is a revolutionary linguist whose work has far reaching influence on computer science as well as human language, and he is a shrill dildo about politics.
Actually the powerty reduction is due to millions leaving the country. East europe is exploited by franco-german capital and all the politicians are bought. And there is no hope in sight.
>linguist
So yeah. He knows he's being full of shit when he talks about free higher education.
What he's actually promoting is money being taken away from other people and then given directly to him so he can keep making half-assed speeches about why globalism is somehow both good and bad at the same time.
you realize that this is packaging everything in Marxism to spread Marxism?
when you hear
>class this class that or groups of the oppressed or kept down
fucking run
Stalinists like this do this methodically, Chompsky defended even the Khmer Rouge
He has wrote many books you know?
There's limit to the amount of crap you can write on it before people start questioning your credentials, the academia isn't a schoolyard, those people would eat your guts to be in a privileged position.
It's not if you aren't stupid
Go to community college for a couple years and if you are smart you can get scholarships. The problem is that we tell these kids the only way they will get a good job is is they get an education so even the stupid and poor kids go to college instead of entering the workforce. They take out massive loans and study stupid shit like history and philosophy then can't find jobs when they get out. If you don't have the money and aren't very smart maybe don't take out massive loans.
Government schools are the way they are because they (a) indoctrinate and pacify the capable whites, and (b) fail the blacks and mexicans, thus justifying the need for continued govt control//funding. As George Carlin said, there's a reason it'll always suck, don't look for it to get better, be happy with what you got.
If we really cared about education, we'd be teach critical thinking from 5th grade on, and focusing more on STEM subjects from the start. I would also fully support foreign langauge starting in preschool when the mind is receptive to language acquisition. It's a complete missed opportunity there and an utter failure that we don't do that. The mind develops differently, for the better, when speaking multiple languages.
The problem is we have too many dumb niggers and spics and it's just maybe not possible to get the kind of education I'm talking about when (Depending on location) 40% of the students are of < 90 IQ
It really blackpills me to think how great shit could be if our goyim forefathers handn't sold our country out for profit and control and whatever. We could have great schools, low as fuck taxes, no crime. We would even have no annoying speed humps on city streets and wouldn't need a key to use a gas station bathroom. Shit is great when 30-50% aren't dumb fucking animals
If anyone could get free higher education, it would become worthless.
Yeah and I'm sure the books where he sticks to his academic area of expertise are great. But his political opinions are vapid doublespeak carefully crafted to turn off young brains and open young wallets.
This
He is technically correct. The argument that increasing access devalues education is a failed argument as it implies there isn't any inherent value in it to begin with, only an artificial limiting of the supply makes it have worth.
Standards shouldn't be lowered but there shouldn't be limits on access either.
Any good anti-Chomsky propaganda you can recommend?
>I don't like genocide
>Historically the right wing doesn't respects people's jobs
>Marx isn't a trick of the devil to convince me of evolution.
30% of classes would be students who dont care and are literally just taking up space and wasting resources
because of that it will be unsustainable and eventually just cost money again
meanwhile the commies who charge high tuition in colleges all love chomsky
What part time job is going to pay for 50k a year of tuition + rent
remember though, the main reason we have compulsory public school is to keep kids busy so their parents can work
the fact is, we haven't even attempted to modernize the education system in over 100 years
no one cares about educating the masses, it's all about keeping people busy and distracted
it's not "ad-hominem" if you break down and explain with facts and evidence why you think that person is a retard.
I don't think Noam is a retard at all. I think leftist college students who worship him are. He's a grifter.
The costs could be a bit manageable. My local community college expects me to pay $10k upfront a year? I'll never have that amount to begin with.
And taxing people more and diverting that money directly to the system as it exists presently will only drive tuition up even further thanks to the magic of supply and demand.
Like I'm honestly not against completely overhauling the higher education system to create an affordable (and possibly tuition free) avenue of higher education for people to take advantage of.
But Noam has another thing coming if he thinks that idealized overhaul includes 25,000 dollars for him to babble on about the trilateral commission and east germany
Academia is like Cable TV at this point. It's expensive because it's being subsidized to keep their dinosauric industry from falling into the tar pits of history.
Technology has more or less rendered 99% of academic careers obsolete. There's room for "free" college in the future, but it doesn't include celebrity guest speakers and lifelong top dollar careers.
>High College Tuition Is a Blunt
xD
It's just one of these giant bubbles kept alive because people pay huge amounts of money to "network" at supposedly "prestiguous" universities, filled with commies, that are 25% white at best.
>Muh Ai it's gonna think for me.
You aren't going to last long like that.
The problem we have in Argentina is that there are a lot of careers that are used of a last option choice.
The logic is that "having a title -> having a job", so we have tons of sociologists and philosophers that can't find a job and demand the state to create more research positions.
I'm totally on board of basic science being financed with public money... But not like this.
A lot of people are not made for having a research job, and we have tons of people that think that because they get a title on something it means they are entitled to a research job on that something...
This not happen in engineer and hard sciences because the difficulty level act as a filter.
I said nothing about AI.
The fact is that we are still paying for 1 professor to make a lecture to an auditorium of maybe 100-200 people when with modern technology that professor could easily make that same lecture to billions of people directly in their households. And then a team of low paid clerks could sort and forward any communication he receives from students.
Academia is obsolete. It doesn't have a place in the future of education. We no longer require centralized avenues to share information.
We had and it just provided a lot of idiots brainwashed by old lefty lecturers. College and University is for the bright & ambitious only.
You know nothing about teaching actual humans anything.
To carry on with this idea labwork/field work can easily be conducted by localized student groups. They don't even need a building. They can rent space/equipment to do labs. The number of academics that are actually required is absurdly small compared to the number that are still being paid for (and thus raising the cost of tuition).
The reason college tuition is high is because they can get away with it, because
1) everyone has been fooled into believing that a college degree is mandatory
2) federally-subsidized loans mean free up-front money, meaning the schools can crank up the price because the gov't will always make sure everyone has enough money to pay for it (even though it bites people in the ass down the road)
Face it. You are defending a pile of dinosaur bones.
And a steady stream of 18 year olds convinced by 50+ year olds that education is somehow necessary
Even when they no clue what they want to do or what sort of job they will get
Brainlet
As I'm promoting. I full on support all the money that is wasted on propping up the student loan industry instead going to the proliferation of open source university type schemes.
Sure, education industry should get it's piece of the pie wherever it has something to contribute to the function of society and to the job market but the idea of charging somebody absurd amounts of money to become an expert in medieval literature when the topic has been researched to death and couldn't possibly lead to any kind of modern, meaningful career is just ridiculous. That kind of education should be available for free.
>should be a right
Set aside the fact that this isn't how rights work. You either have them or you don't. We didn't decide that lower education was a right, we decided that it ought to be an institution.
Show me the fucking money Chomsky. Show me where the money will come from. We're running a deficit already. California and the other libshit states are fiscally insolvent already.
THE MONEY. DOESN'T. EXIST. We're an inch away from fucking bankruptcy here in CA. We've tried all of this shit and every time we run into the same fucking problem, this socialist shit works in countries where the average person is white and has an IQ above 100, it does NOT work when half of the country is made up of 80 IQ shitskins who will NEVER be functional or innovative workers no matter how many millions of dollars of education you fling at them.
This is so fucking stupid. This whole line of argument is so fucking stupid it just infuriates me that we cannot discuss the actual problems, but more than that, BECAUSE we cannot discuss the actual problem we have to PRETEND that the problem is something entirely different and that the solution to that problem is to make the real problem WORSE.
Increase academic standards lower tuition.
that's what I said with #1, for reference