NORTH KOREA WILL LOSE TO USA

BUT NOT WITHOUT DAMAGING USA BEYOND REPAIR
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NK is one of the most powerful military forces on the planet - cyber/chemical/nuclear warfare is also in their favour. Do NOT let disinfo get in the way, NK is extremely powerful, it greatly amuses me when people casually say things like "North Korea will be defeated by USA and allies so easily".
Defeated? Yes
Easily? In no shape or form at ALL

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why don't they do it already and wthen we can move on

I dunno NK will cheat using nerve gas. They will destroy the south if we are talking a battle without outside intervention.

>have a worse match up than the last Korean war
>got steamrolled and only survived due to Chinese intervention
Australia letting the chinese in was a mistake.

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>810 Combat airforce fighterjets
Yeah, okay OP
m.youtube.com/watch?v=oxnfS1kB8CE

NK would probably win.

Not kidding here, look it up and think for a bit.

>conveniently forgets NK nukes
>6.3M H-bomb quake

Source is SK Defence Papers, you know more than SK?

Can you name one piece of modern weaponry they have that would assist them in a ground or air war? The reason those numbers are so high is because they don't retire shit just cause its old or broken.

>BUT NOT WITHOUT DAMAGING USA BEYOND REPAIR
>>pic related
>NK is one of the most powerful military forces on the planet - cyber/chemical/nuclear warfare is also in their favour. Do NOT let disinfo get in the way, NK is extremely powerful, it greatly amuses me when people casually say things like "North Korea will be defeated by USA and allies so easily".
>Defeated? Yes
>Easily? In no shape or form at ALL
All of NK weapens are as old as world,so they are not equal to SK weapens.
The biggest problem is how to win without civil deaths ib SK.

Their shit is from the cold war era.

They won't really hurt the US except maybe Guam. Their nuclear abilitys are extremely limited at Alaska/California ranges and could be taken by US missile defense. If Russia started nuking the US we would be fucked, but NK would only have a few at those ranges.

The way NK can only hurt the US is by infliting as much pain on South Korea and Japan before the US war machine kicks into high gear.

H-bomb + KN-08/Hwasong-14

>6.3m h-bombs
>can barely make a 250k explosion
>each test takes close to a year to do
Again, the worse thing Australia did was let the chinks in.

see

You really gonna deny the acceleration of their nuke program? The progress they made this year specifically is incredible.

I dont want my cute K-Boys to get hurt :(

Lived in south korea,seoul for years. The people dont give a shit about nk its just a big nothing burger

If US attack in cold months coming up before spring then only collateral will be damage in South Korea and maybe a little bit here in Japan.

If US wait too long then negotiating like hostage against MAD Cold War style, and Washington never allow that.

Final showdown with DPRK will be before spring for this reason, unless Pyongyang find way to save face while relenting also. But I think more likely one night when things very calm and nobody expect, POOF! half DPRK gone. Then artillery fight in north part from Seoul, and maybe some disaster. But then the zit is popped and can finally rebuild.

Bigger problem than the violence is the DPRK people. Big indigestion for South Korea, I think worse for South Korea than West Germany experience with taking East Germany.

What?

>they accelerate their nuclear program user-kun!
>tunnel collapses and kills a bunch of people
>they still can't make more than one test per year
Chinks are literally the worse thing in australia, even worse than Abbos.

Wanna know why? Their is no point living in constant fear. I understand - if it happens, it happens. Their soulless reactions dont indicate a nothingburger at all. Having said that, i doubt war will happen BUT we are most definitely closest to a nuclear war since peak of the Cold war.

The tunnel collapse was literally all of MSM sourcing one jap guy who claimed it, no evidence (eg satellite images) at all.

So what's the justification for war on the side of NK they don't gain anything and they loose everything. A stable dictatorship is better for the men in power than when they start shit with the united states.

I mean that would help them win. The second it goes nuclear they are eliminated inside of 10 min.
Missiles help them hit targets, but don't help them defend themselves.

In a real war their troops would be cut off from communication, fed false information, and hit by things they never saw coming. No matter what the casualties are there is no "win" for North Korea.

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NK will never start a war, in the end USA will since a nuclear korea will not be accepted as stated repeatedly. BUT Kim is testing Trump, and its highly possible they will cross a red line eg pacific nuke test
Agreed

nis

if nukes are out of the picture they might have a vietnam "victory"

:DDD

>NK is one of the most powerful military forces on the planet
That's a laugh. NK's military isn't even as good as SK's (pic related), much less America's. The threats in Korea are from nukes and the PLA, not Kim's meme troops who are rocking the same tech Saddam had. North Korea by itself (sans nukes) is a lay-up.

why do we have to defend these fucking gooks?
let 'em settle it themselves

Russia, Iran, and China have been working with NK. They want to be the dominant force in the world. Proxies are being used to put pressure on all adversaries. China wants the US out of the region.

How I would do it:
1. Get some dues over to the north pole, crossing over towards the Americas with a nuclear bomb, this is the most difficult thing.
2. EMP over the US from the North, or several. This will cripple the US because, as we should know, the military tech hardening against EMP doesn't work at all or only very weakly.
3. Boots on the ground on the West Coast.
4. California and most of the West and East Coast (Washington!) will immediately defect because muh Socialism. The US always underestimates the enemy in their own ranks too much for some reason.
5. Canada will also defect because muh world revolution, making a wide north front possible.
5. Promise a New Atzlan to Mexico, ally them, get the south attacked.
6. Take the bombs, take NYC and overtake the stock market while simultaneously attack the former US from all sides (Canada from North, Mexico from South; NK from West, later everyone from the East too), always being open for defectors and really bleed them out by propaganda.
7. Last American stronghold will be the flyover states with a strong conservative population that can't just be overtraken by treachery. Either chemically attack them or just bumrush them with all you got.

War is over in 2-4 months. Navy and Air force are either useless or cripples. Land forces are mostly Generation Z lardasses or Socialist themselves, with a relatively tiny "real soldier" conservative force.

America's biggest problem are the huge communist/socialist among their
a) youths
b) government officials
c) military
Who are not loyal to the US per se, but are working towards world revolution and are just waiting for something like this. We have seen with all the Obama and Trump bullshit how the real allegiances lie and almost no one in these groups is loyal to the values of the US.

And this isn't even calculating Russia, China and the Muslim world in. They surely as hell don't want to miss that and will also work to destroy the US, either officially or inofficially.

>Their nuclear ability are extremely limited at Alaska/California ranges and could be taken by US missile defense.

In a terrorist attack, Norks could bring the nuke in US soil, hide inside a Truck, cross US-Mexico border with it, and detonate it in California, without relying on Missiles.

Also the US missile defense has a success rate of 3/5 in all tests.
So if Nork lauched 20 missles, Only 12 would be taken down.

The worst thing that would happen is Seoul getting levelled by missiles, NK would be obliterated and unlike Vietnam people will want to be there and do it.

Those countries are smart enough not to get in the way of the US warpath.

We expended too much blood and treasure to just let the commies have it now, plus South Korea is basically our vassal state with the eleventh highest GDP in the world (higher than Russia, also North Korea is the one hundred and thirteenth highest if you were wondering).

are you retarded
I think you are
Invading NK would be a lot like desert storm and nothing like vietnam

>Implying NK could sneak a nuke into the US
>Advocating that NK should invade US
>Canada defecting

I thought Germans were good at tactics

Germans are, you're replying to a Turk

HAHA. i bet you thought saddam would win desert storm too.

>smuggle a nuke from mexico.
Ez pz
Should have built that wall.

>they still can't make more than one test per year

their land area is 5 times smaller than France and over 2,5 smaller than Poland and they have a higher population density.
They can't nuke themselves all the time

>Implying NK could sneak a nuke into the US
What. I never wrote that, idiot.

>Advocating that NK should invade US
Yes. Americans are shit at land wars, if you haven't noticed in the last 100 years.

>Canada defecting
Under Trudeau? Easily.
See, like the US, you are underestimating what leftists are like.

>Germans are, you're replying to a Turk
A Turk would be as idiotic as and would try to smuggle a dirty bomb into the US: Which IS possible, but what I described is a lot less risky and basically an easy win.

Not really. I'd have said you oust Saddam and then get crushed over the years by insurrections and etrrorism, which is exactly what happens, hence why Trump wants (or wanted) out.

The moment US declares war on NK is the moment norks would nuke the shit out of Seoul and a couple of millions people living there. SK people know that US only cares about their own advances and would gladly sacrifice them if it benefits US in the long run. That why on Trump's visit thousands of people marched on a demonstration for peace.
Also on a side note most certainly we and China would intevene if shit hits the fan. US doesn't give a shit and it wouldn't affect the average american in any way, on the other side this shit is going right on ours and Chinese borders.
Arrogant burgers thinking they're invincible and nothing will ever touch them, lets hope you get a nice bloody civil war soon, that will teach you to mind your own shit.

>NORTH KOREA WILL LOSE TO USA
not if they use rice farmers with outdated weopnary

China knows Trump is serious about cutting off trade with China, and possibly even cutting off all trade with any country that trades with China... Even Russia and Iran would abandon them at that point... China would never risk their standing in the world over Kim keeping his nukes. If China can't trade with the US or worse just about any other country in the world their people will turn on their government, regime change is only a matter of time. The US would negotiate conditional reinstatement of trade, Russia and Iran lose 2 allies.

>leave for 20 minutes
>thread turns from a chink lying about NK military capabilities to couch general talking about smuggling a thermonuclear bomb through the artic and then moving it in the USA in a truck
>plus one dumb pole who thinks land size is what limits the number of nukes tests

>>thread turns from a chink lying about NK military capabilities to couch general talking about smuggling a thermonuclear bomb through the artic and then moving it in the USA in a truck
> to couch general talking about smuggling a thermonuclear bomb through the artic and then moving it in the USA in a truck
Wrong.
>smuggling a thermonuclear bomb through the artic
This.

Which is, by the way, one of the dangers that your own congress experts warned about in October 2017.

Of course, your arrogant and retarded personality won't agree with that, and that's fine. American education to the bitter end.

Nah. North Koreans will be too easy eating their first meal to launch a postwar insurgency.

>What. I never wrote that, idiot.
EMP, same difference, it wouldn't make it anywhere close to the US before it was discovered and captured

>Yes. Americans are shit at land wars, if you haven't noticed in the last 100 years.

>Invading a country where everyone owns a gun.
It doesn't made if they're shit at land wars an invasion on home soil is different.

>Under Trudeau? Easily.
>See, like the US, you are underestimating what leftists are like.

You're an idiot, Trudeau would bend his knee to the US in a heartbeat.

easy=busy

>muh nork army
>communicates through telegram

>one of the dangers that your own congress experts warned about in October 2017
Link me up, muhammed. I want to know which man to know to ignore because he's functionally retarded if he thinks you can smuggle a thermonuclear device through the artic. You know, that whole area where there's there whole artic, russia, and canada to go through.

>has nukes that can hit your country

>Invading NK would be a lot like desert storm and nothing like vietnam

Even Gulf War wasn't so easy.

After all US wars on MidEast, the aftermath keeps going: Syria, Afghanistan.

Norks deserve to be destroyed but USA could destabilize East Asia just like MidEast.

>fucking this

Thank you for saving me the phone type.

lol even if your hypothetical emp strategy worked, you'd be ignoring our foreign bases and carrier strike groups. Your whole thing is retarded though, so I'll take the highroad and assume you're trolling.

they could hit rural alaska maybe assuming it didn't get blasted out of the sky before it landed (which it would)
the only countries that have to worry about taking a nuke to the chin are japan and SK

Chink, stop lying to stop the invasion. Hwasong-14 can barely reach Alaska with a full weight warhead. By your own chinky numbers, they can carry a tenth of a single one barely into the population centers of Canada, and that's ignoring the THAAD.

The thing is, the junk Saddam used in the Gulf is the SAME junk Kim is using, only it's 30 years later. Do you see what I'm saying? They're a joke. They've got some artillery pointed at Seoul, yeah. They can damage SK's economy, maybe, if they pre-empt. But they have no hope of winning and everyone knows it, including Kim.

Morning Nork 2018 War Starts.

>Norks scramble WW2 airforce tier into gear, most crash at take off due to cheap Russian fuel.
>Norks H,Q, gets strategic carpet bombed into stone age by MOAB and FOAB even Nu-COABs [gay gas]
>Norks have no power, internet, radar, running water, heat, working highways or 30yo Soviet Tanks.
>South Korea and US takes lunch break, its Kimchi and KFC, purple drink wash it down.
>Kim Un gets taken out by new generation hyper laser, shot into corner of eye, scatters round inside, looks like died from shock.
>All Nork boots fall back into Pyongyang.
>South Korea and US take after noon tea, spotted dick and digestive's biscuit's
>China rolls in from north into Pyongyang [1st boots on the ground in operation] [they had stir-fry bread with cold cuts of pork for breakfast]
>South Korea and US roll in from south, into Pyongyang
>Norks give up, 20% flee to China 80% flee to South Korea
>Pyongyang is divided in 1/2 with Iron Curtain.
Dinner time, more Kimchi offered this time with Hawaii dinner rolls and way to many bottles of cold Korean Rice Spirits.
>Obama gets arrested and Hillary suddenly dies.
>Germany invades France, but really nobody cares at that time.

EMP over the US

Just a Single EMP over USA would shut down the Power Grid of USA, Most of Canada & Northern Half of Mexico

Just a Single EMP over Germany could shut down the Power Grid of entire Europe Union & Western Ukraine.


>ignoring our foreign bases and carrier strike groups

But Mainland USA & Europe would still be in Chaos & Shit-Hit-The-Fan Doomsday Scenario.

People said the same shit about Iraq in 91, look how well "the world's largest military" served Saddam. Numbers haven't mattered in decades, force multipliers are real you know.

Four carrier groups make a ring of steel around his country, with each little destroyer armed with anti-ballistic missiles and SK itself loaded for bear with a THAAD array. Meanwhile, NK would be guaranteed incinerated ten minutes later. If he's feeling froggy he should go ahead and jump.

We could probably make sure no food enters the country and starve them out

>Four carrier groups make a ring of steel around his country
But Norks can still Smuggle a Nuke from Mexico to USA inside a Truck & Detonate it in California or Texas.

Don't forget the G.H.O.U.L. bomber squadron

i cant wait for them to roll out the toys they've been keeping secret for about 25 fucking years
if they even need to bring them out

I think we should build a picket of Wendy's restaurants along the DMZ, each with a giant fan behind it pointed north.

>California
We should be so lucky. But it's true that is a threat, although getting a nuke out of there would be a challenge without China's complicity.

how stupid do you have to be to believe this?
at most they could destroy guam... that's it
they can't do any damage to us you simpleton
none of their tanks, troops, planes, boats, submarines will ever get anywhere near us and you have to be an absolute imbecile to think to otherwise

it will be a long and painful siege but North Korea will lose eventually and they won't do any damage to us...
idk how anyone can be dumb enough to think north korea is a threat to America in any way shape or form
a threat to south korea maybe

It keeps going til it doesn't.

Each defensive missile has a low success rate, which is why you can send a whole bunch in the event NK sends a few our way. Anyway, provoking war with the US would end NK as it is today. The only purpose of these nukes is to hold SK and Japan hostage so the US won't ever think of attacking first. It also serves the purpose of being provocative which can then be used a bargaining chip to lift sanctions in exchange for promises of ending their nuke program or something else.

At the end of the day the leader of NK wants to keep his power, eat and drug all he wants, and fuck as many prostitutes as possible. And the Kim family seems to think Nukes is the way to go to fulfill that dream. But provoking war with the US would end that dream.


Narcos have been known to fly drugs over the boarder, along with smuggling stuff in tunnels. A wall can't do shit with that. Not to mention the weight of nuke. Canada would be a better place to go as the US/Can boarder is pretty much unprotected.

>implying NK doesnt have proven WMD's

why is a truck dirty bomb/nuke the shape of a missile in your pic?

All the western military fears is terrorism from the Norks, militarily they're no match for the us forces, the US would have full spectrum dominance within days, It's those days that are the problem.

>148529666
First off no one is defecting to side with some gooks. We spend more on military annually than NK is worth. There are more guns than people in our country, anyone invading on foot would be slaughtered by the civilian population alone. We are literally uninvadable .

Here's the problem with your post. Given the acceleration and frankly remarkable progress of their nuclear program since Feb this year, they will be able to hit DC with a nuke (reliably) by late 2018-early 2019 MAX.

Kek

we could have used the old Kennedy approach to North Korea/China
Any ballistic missile launched from North Korea against this nation, or any nation would be considered an attack. By China on the United States.
Since they want to protect them and say they will intervene then to me that was the only option short of going to war with them. Bet they would clean that mess up in a hurry.

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>Just a Single EMP over USA would shut down the Power Grid of USA, Most of Canada & Northern Half of Mexico
>
>Just a Single EMP over Germany could shut down the Power Grid of entire Europe Union & Western Ukraine.

Wrong.

NK is the nuclear hand of East Asian Crypto Confederation.

They can nuke the shit out of anything in Pacific ocean. And you can not do anything to China in response.

Thanks to McKain effort in Ukraine, they where able to pull a Satan (rocket) deal with DPRK so their reach legally extended to american west coast and includes shadow emu government lands.

Satans warhead separates in 40 parts, half of which can be nuclear loads. Basically there is no defence against it.

Nobody requires more than one magazine to shot from that kind of weapon. So pretty much NATO is fucked on pacific and at Indian ocean. You reap what you sow.

>Just a Single EMP over USA would shut down the Power Grid of USA
No it wouldn't, that's not how it works at all

>Even Gulf War wasn't so easy.
It was probably the cleanest full on war (for the US side) in the past 100 years or more. But it pretty much had to do with the wide open deserts (no forests like Vietnam), the US technology advantage, taking out most of Saddam's radar and communications, the US faking a beach landing as a distraction, Coalition air domination, bombing the fuck out of entrenched positions before Coalition engagement at the Kuwait boarder.

Saddam was so scared of losing all their planes that Saddam flew the rest of the Iraqi Air Force to Iranian airports (Iran and Iraq were enemies which shows the desperation) along with any other Iraqi commercial plane. Bush only ended the war because the Administration thought they were killing too many Iraqis.

It was so easy that Bush Jr thought he would have a go at it. But he forgot that his dad never intended to attempt to occupy Iraq.

They do have high voltage breakers explosive and mechanical disconnects in the grid of Europe and in alot of the united states. It would take a few weeks to reset, replace, and bypass the blown disconnects and restore power. In Europe there may be little to no outage due to their more advanced protections.

> SATAN rocket was old as world, so it`s like a not a big deal, r-right westo-kun?

RARE

It had to do with the US Airforce pounding the shit out of Iraq for 3 months before ground operations even started.

>I don't know how electricity works and I parrot MSM EMP fear porn

>why is a truck dirty bomb/nuke the shape of a missile in your pic?
I found it in Google Images.

But I think that Norks could camouflage an entire Missile launcher.

Norks could also do the same as Soviet Union did in Cold War.

Smuggling Nukes to Cuba. Launching missiles from Communist Latin America into USA.

You have no idea of the technology required to create an ICBM that long range...

Their longest range missile would barely make it to Guam... they're not gonna start doubling and then quadrupling this range.
And then couple that with having to be able to add on the extremely heavy weight of a nuclear warhead... they're nowhere near hitting the US mainland anytime soon...

California by 2020 if they're left alone.

=== WE DON'T REGRET ANYTHING ===

>any nation would be considered an attack. By China on the United States.
China does not have a great grip on NK, and when NK does attack again then that would put us at war with China a nuclear power. That will not end well. Not sure nuclear war is worth retaliation for NK provocations. The US can and probably will nuke NK in the event of war, in order to prevent NK advances into SK, and the world would probably be ok enough with that.

>Cannot even defeat farmers from Vietnam
>Cannot nuke north Korea becouse China, Russia and Japs will join north Korea side after the nuke
Hmm.....

I'm pretty sure we could exhaust kim's nuke capabilities even if we had to expend 100 interceptor missiles for every ICBM NK has...

But if he fires one in our direction it'll be settled abruptly anyway.

if there are no safeguards built into the grid the transformers will pop like firecrackers and those fuckers are not in abundance, cheap, or manufactured locally. most systems have high voltage explosive disconnects that blow then the voltage or current go to high. you still have to replace that shit and in the US not alot of the grid is protected this way so there is some validity to the claim.
we did high altitude nuclear detonations in the 50's that knocked out islands in the pacific including some of Hawaii when a detonation occurred that was a bit bigger than expected it would be