USA vs Europe

The US is at war. This time its the entire continent of Europe vs the USA. Who would win in a non nuclear war?

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The United States would annihilate sissy European countries in a matter of days if we were willing to utterly destroy the European states.

Europe easily with Russian support. You cant really compare peace time military budgets to full war economy Europe would have. Its 700 million whites against le 52% mutt nation.

Don't agree about the "sissy"-part, but other that, this.

Keep on eating them crayons, they seem to be doing wonders.

>European Whites

What are they gonna do? Spread their cheeks until we are too tired to fight?

We are America’s biatch. We would never hurt you.

Russia on the other hand...

billion ffs

When you say Europe, are you talking the US versus the EU at large, or every single European country?

Russia is a major player and massively levels the playing field. Without it the EU stands absolutely no chance, just from a numbers game.

With it it's much more of an "everyone loses' sort of scenario.

This also assumes this is a hypothetical battle where the side to do more significant damage wins and you don't declare victory when you get to rule the rubble left behind.

They are counting T-55s rusting away in warehouses in that total

All European countries

So why does Russia favor tanks so much? That's a pretty insane number.

Because they have alot left over from MUH CUMMUNIST times and like all the equipment in Russia's arsenal, outdated by around 30 years

You don't currently have the equipment to immediately enter a full-scale conflict. It would have to be built over time. Beyond the men who have already volunteered, how many regular European men would join, or be willing conscripts?

>Combat aircraft
>US 18k
>RU 1k

They only outnumber us on tanks and I think for every M1 we have = 5 of theirs.

they're counting all the shit in reserve so pure bullshit

>be US Airforce
>be largest and most advanced airforce in the world

>be US Navy Airfleet
>be second largest airforce in the world
>just as advanced as the first

People seriously don't understand how war works.

Let's just put it like this, none of you have an even remotely capable Navy in comparison to the US. We can and would just chill at ready and bomb you from nuclear subs that don't need to come up for Ocean spans.

The only hope you fuckers have is spics/niggers/liberals sabatoging our power grid from with in

Seriously, with airforce and naval fleet alone we can destroy anything. Fucking china just recently built their oblong ugly shit carrier and russia only has one? Pfff. rekt confirmed.

Tanks are amazing but not as important as they once were, plus our M1's cost a fucking shitload so they're not built as much. That money is better put somewhere else, like drones.

Would anybody really want Germany to spend 2% or more of it's GDP on military?
Would make us by far the biggest military power in Europe.

Everybody would just be afraid of us doing something stupid again.

>make suicidal plan for a land invasion
>use only blacks and mexicans for it
>huge loses on American side
>percentage keeps going up
>America is made great again

Russia has a massive territory of land to defend. The US is more invested in projecting power abroad, hence the stronger Navy and Airforce.

Checked. Nah, we'll just send the boy scouts.

>The only hope you fuckers have is spics/niggers/liberals sabatoging our power grid from with in

the best part about ww3 and societal collapse would be the mass ethnic cleansing

the worst part is quality of life tanking below modern comprehension

USA is isolated, that's why you have so strong NAVY and air force. Russia is connected with all the major continents (land advantage).

>his aircraft carriers need ramps
whatever you say, britcuck

The jews

Will do dad

bunch of F-35 vs gay-rope ..... USA USA USA

I think you meant Billion there bub

Europe only lacks in carriers. In every other metric Europe outdoes the US. Europe has more soldiers, tanks, equipment etc. Planes are about more or less similar. And this is without taking Russia into account.

On top of that multiple European nations have conscription, which means that they are capable of putting out a lot more troops if necessary.

Europe is not going to invade the US, but the US is unlikely to be able to invade and take hold of Europe as well.

> Without it the EU stands absolutely no chance, just from a numbers game.
This is completely untrue. EU nations have about equivalent fighting force to the US in soldiers and equipment. Look at countries like Greece if you want to see where it's coming from (Greece has more main battle tanks than UK and France combined due to Turkey). Naval power is where Europe is lacking in, especially CVs.

The only correct answer

its sad that the Aryan race will never take over the nigger loving USA

>Its 700 million whites against
They're all feminized traps, feminists, peace-loving leftists, nu-males, betas scared of Muhammad dick.

I could go on.

Why Europe would win
>500 hundred years of fighting pedigree.
>Only foe that can beat US at tech game
>Air craft carries would be vulnerable to ballistic missiles
>Challenger tank is superior to Abrams
>Eurofighter maks mincemeat of F-22
>F-35 is over engineered plane that would crumble in real air superiority war
>Despite what people think US vulnerable to swift armoured invasion.
>70% of industry and population lie in Eastern corridor
>Armored offensive south through the Appalachians would sever the country

Without the highway system delivering supplies most of the US would be starving within 3 weeks

Most if it is just excess shit from the Soviet era that's heavily outdated and sitting around in warehouses, T-55's, T-62's, and early model T-72's. They might even count IFV's and APC's with that, if so that includes BMP's and BTR's. Russia still has ancient BS-3 pieces in reserve which probably gets put into the artillery count as well.

I refuse to kill more whites. I'll fight you instead.

You could, but that wouldn't make it any more true.
Look at your millenials, your progressive strongholds.
You got a good amount of feminized traps, feminists, peace-loving leftists, nu-males, betas scared of Tyrone dick yourself.

theyre literally useless metal death buckets.

look at the first iraq war. see how fast we fucked up the iraqi armor? thats what is in russia's reserve that gives that super inflated number

>he thinks he could land armor on American soil

fucking rofl

The combined might of the Navy and Air Force would ensure that you fuckers don't even swim in the Atlantic ever again.

>500 hundred years of fighting pedigree.
Same

>Only foe that can beat US at tech game
Not gonna happen

>Challenger tank is superior to Abrams

Oh yes, lets get into a tank battle, that makes sense.

>Despite what people think US vulnerable to swift armoured invasion.

Is this satire? With what? You'd have to kiss the oceans goodbye, completely.

This is silly.

>The combined might of the Navy and Air Force would ensure that you fuckers don't even swim in the Atlantic ever again.
Russia is in Europe. You could just take the equipment through Russia.

But we all know that the real war would be won with information. Just appeal to the American lefties and righties and they'll crumble themselves.

nigger a lot of European countries have conscription. Have you ever served in the army? Every man I know has, and american gun laws or not it's a different thing to be exclusively trained for warfare, since it's also about troop movements, discipline, using proper gear and assigned weapons/armored vehicles, tactics, survival, fortification and shit. I doubt most americans would know what to do beyond point the gun and pull the trigger if a conscription call goes out.

>500 years of fighting pedigree
And who did half your fucking countries have to call to aid for when they got steamrolled?

>Aircraft carriers vulnerable to ballistic missiles
>implying its hard for us to detect ballistic missile launches and move

>Challenger tank is superior to Abrams
You have 400 of them, the drivers viewport can be penetrated by a fucking RPG-26. Don't even try to bring up the Leopard 2.

>Eurofighter makes mincemeat of F-22
Uh-huh, they're rougly on par according to a pilot who flew both, guess who has more experienced pilots and even more planes that aren't just the F-22?

>Despite what people think US is vulnerable to swift armored invasion
Try crossing that Atlantic to invade with your pathetic excuse for a navy faggot, I fucking dare you.

>tanks
>modern warfare

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American hubris. You've been beating up camel fuckers so long you don't know what a real foe is anymore.

Its a fact if Europe really wanted to militarize we are would pose a threat. But Europeans like Americans and they like democracy and freedom so we don't. The only reason China isn't militarizing is because they fear being like the USSR

It's a stalemate because neither side can realistically invade and occupy the other.

That said, America would have the best chance of successfully getting a foothold and forcing concessions as they have actual force projection ability. Armies in the EU are mostly focused on defence, their force projection is token at best.

They didn't call for aid? Russia more or less won WWII themselves. Berlin would have fallen without D-Day. It would have taken longer. Get the cold war propoganda out of your mind and listen to any reputable historian. Americans completely overblow their contribution to the war. They joined WW1 in 1917. They also completely wrote British and Australian contributions in the Pacific.

Far more impactful than the Atomic bomb was Russia steamrolling Japanese divisions in Manchuria. The greatest chicken shoot of WW2

>China isn't militarizing
This bait is even worse than your last post.

Sorry muricans you will lose

I will have to defeat you

>far more viable
K

>million

Who the fuck made this shit? It's supposed to say Billion. US GDP is like 19 Trillion. 1% is 190bn.

Easily the USA without even any comparison.

Germany's army is complete shit. Half of their airforce is grounded.

The UK's army has gone to shit with morale at an all-time low.

Maybe France would be the only country to stand a chance but I doubt it.

All hope is on Poland.

Also spending alone means nothing it's the bang for your buck what matters although even then US leads but still

The US would not be able to hold control in Europe we are talking about people that had trouble with Taliban's and Vietnam farmers

They would all surrender without much of a fight, and the only insurgents would be Muslim immigrants. Native Europeans would not resist American military power. They're pacifists, by and large.

We'll just send the turkish suicide bombers and then american lefties will fight you because Islam is nice

Only because the USA had to play by the rules and guerrilla warfare is the unmaker of modern armies.

>Taliban fire upon American troops
>They take cover behind a hill, abandon their weapons and put on civilian clothes
>American troops can't shoot them anymore

You can't seriously believe that the USA wouldn't have completely fucking obliterated both Vietnam and the Taliban if they didn't have to play by the rules.

There wouldn't be a single guy alive to take up arms, lol.

That being said, yeah, Europe is too big and populous for the USA to hold ground.

Yeah, but they have their own guns.

>It's funny because it's true!

>million

Leigh Montgomery, someone find this bitch

>And who did half your fucking countries have to call to aid for when they got steamrolled?
You do realize that these were European countries fighting other European countries, right?

>Beyond the men who have already volunteered, how many regular European men would join, or be willing conscripts?
Finland alone has 900,000 reserve personnel that have gone through military training and can be called upon to fight without a general mobilization being called.

Why wouldn't Europe build bunkers around the shores to stop a invasion and send submarines too destroy invasion forces on water and missiles maybe suicide attacks to stop them don't give them a foothold and cleanse their fleet as hard as they can with guerilla tactics on sea. And wait for America to loose all public support and dissolve in civil war and then be invaded by the Europeans who will colonise it again as it once was. And become the all mighty again.

Both sides lack the power projection to invade the other side.
American air and naval power is great, but still, the combined EU AA and air force is to much.

So essentially it will be an economic war. EU will still have access and control of the entire Eurasian continent plus Africa, and the Suez channel.
The Americans will control pacific, should be able to stop Chinese shipping to Europe. Man i don't know.

Hahaha. Oh wow. You seriously have no idea how militarized our society is.

I'll just let this picture of one of our routine police forces speak for itself. By the way we have a national guard for each state. And multiple civilian militias. You seriously don't understand how many people have military training and know military tactics in this country. You probably think people just buy guns and go shooting at some squirrels here, all 300 million gun owners.

We are a military nation. You don't even understand. They teach 8 year olds small unit tactics here.

Europeans are pacifists. They would not resist American military power, for the same reason you were OK with giving up gun rights. You abhor violence. Americans love violence.

Stop hiding behind meme flag amerigoblin

>Europeans are pacifists.
As clearly evidenced by our history.

Today, you are pacifists. WWII and the terror bombing took the fight out of you. When dogs are beaten too often, they will flinch at the sight of someone raising their hand. That's what Europeans are like today. Dogs who have taken too many beatings.

>far more impactful than two fucking atomic explosions was Russians zergrushing an already exhausted 1945 jap colonial army that had been fighting for 12 years

Europe because our Infantry aren't shit

>that flag
Ok, now I'm recalculating.

why does it take 50 comments for someone to point this out
>UK spends 60 some millions on their military durrrr
i swear pol is as fucking retarded as the woman who made this graph

I am referring to WW2, the only country that managed to keep Germans off its land was Britain, and that was because they had an ocean between them and the mainland. Britain still got crippled industrially and they didn't have enough materials to do much other than keep the Luftwaffe away, they couldn't fire anti-tank guns in training because they left all their ammo at Dunkirk and couldn't produce more because they lacked materials, later supplied by the U.S., and don't get me started on their tanks.
And yes I am aware it was Euros fighting Euros, you all got steamrolled by 1 country that was dragging 3 or 4 others around as dead weight.

show flag

America escaped WWII unscathed. 400,000 dead soldiers, 0 dead civilians (all of the civilian dead were sailors working merchant ships), 0 bombs dropped on American cities. They still love war and violence because they have never had to taste its bitter fruits.

We're literally pounding the shit out the Middle East as we speak

What's the win condition? Like is it just demand a surrender?

Then easily the United States because the United States can easily isolate itself from Europe, but not vice versa.

The US would push to the east, but then they'd encounter eastern europe and their one achilles heel: peasants armed with dilapidated old soviet-era weapons. After fighting a guerilla war for 10 years or more without getting anywhere, the US would hastily retreat back to their own continent and declare it a decisive US victory.

FPBP

Our Navy alone would ensure the battle never reaches our soil.

Turha väitellä, ei nää usko. Kovat on jenkkien voimafantasiat.

Ummmmm this meme is utterly moronic.... The US fucking pays for EU protection.

This will be total war. That means we don't care about civilian casualties or trying to look like the liberator anymore. Our only achilles heel is tolerance.

Did you know that Tibetans were once the most warlike people of all of Asia? Nations and ethnic groups can and do change, radically sometimes. Countries like Germany and Sweden are modern day Tibets. Once incredibly masculine and warlike, now they are feminine and pacifistic.

haahahahahah

Russia has superior air defense at all echelons to neutralize the effect of the airpower deficit.

The Soviets were very lucky to have a second front opened, since that diverted a fuck-tonne of German military might off of the Russians, who would have had far more trouble.

In fact, if all German vehicles and German vehicle production were allocated to the eastern front, they would've been able to destroy every single Soviet vehicle produced during the war, and they wouldn't even need to achieve the historical ratio in order to do so.

All the UK had to do was stay in the game. Without the UK, invading Europe would have been very treacherous.

Can't believe I came back to this thread but hahahah landing an armoered division on US soil?

Once again, where ya coming from Russia? Straits of Bosporus will her bombed with debris just for fun. Or post up at Gibraltar. Close off North Atlantic.Iceland-GB-Greenland gap...

Oh you want to come from the East? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha wow.

Like I said do you people even understand basic warfare and mobilization? Please...

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America due to air superiority and the fact we already have bases in your countries

>You're already conquered

>Total war
Oh well, in that case the US couldn't even maintain an army here in the first place. Even Sweden has submarines capable of sinking both your carriers and nuclear subs (yes, with active sonar used in exercises).

>Air superiority
Even if we made the rule that Russia would remain neutral, they'd gladly sell us all the missile systems we'd need to take care of US planes. Your bases wouldn't last a week, if they didn't surrender immediately.

>air defense neutralizes 18 to 1 airpower deficit.
lol no

>Russian support
That's a joke, right? Russia's not your ally. They would love to see the US crush Europe, then they would swoop in and take what they want. Have you forgotten about last century?

Makes me wonder where these threads come from. Shouldn't we all be focused on fixing our own countries first?

>with Russian support
While you were partying I studied the kalashnikov.Copypasta

Air superiority makes sense yeah, but tiny pockets of American troops throughout Europe would be squashed within a day.

Also forgetting that America is the new Naval superpower with I think 10-11 Aircraft carriers. You'd be able to attack anywhere from Greece, to the British Isles, to Finland.

People neglect to mention the amount of Euros over here vs. the amount of yanks in Europe.

Every border crossing into Canada would be under randomfire from Euros like me with a .308 or a $200 SKS.

>france stand a chance in a world war

Russia has always relied on SAMs to counter combat aircraft

>If we wanted to pose a threat, then we would totes slowly start building up our forces, even though it'd take longer than the EU has been around

ok