Why do crapitalists shit out the "muh 100 million" meme when capitalism has killed well over 80 billion people in...

Why do crapitalists shit out the "muh 100 million" meme when capitalism has killed well over 80 billion people in history?

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>capitalism has killed well over 80 billion people

>the only alternative to capitalism is communism
>everything that's ever killed people is capitalism

I'm no fan of capitalism but that doesn't make me a communist, 80 billion, I don't think that many people have even been alive so I just fell for bait

WHITE LIVES MATTER

NATSOC IS THE ONLY SOC

>Everything not communism or socialism is capitalism.
u r real dumb

what the fuck are you saying you stupid fucking bitch

YOU FUCKING CAPITALIST PIG!!!!!!!!!!!! CAPITALISM HAS KILLED 12 TRILLION PEOPLE!!!!!!! HOW DARE YOU!!!!! GULAG! GULAG! GULAG! GULAG YOU GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know I hate how capitalism invented disease and dirty water

Sage

Capitalism is an extension of our natural instincts. Where the physically and mentally fit flourish and the weak do not.
This is precisely why weak nu-males are in love with the idea of communism (do nothing and get paid)
Communism is both synthetic and not sustainable without vast amounts of indoctrination and military enforcement.

Please don't reproduce.

Who is this 80 billion you are talking about?

Capitalism is of benefit to both the weak and the strong. People benefit from the fact that others have different qualities. Imagine a world where everyone was best suited to doing the exact same job. Such a world would scarcely function.

EVERYONE WHO'S EVER DIED WHEN CAPITALISM EXISTED EVER MEANS ITS CAPITALISM'S FAULT

STUB YOUR TOE? CAPITALISM
STARVATION? CAPITALISM
MURDER AND CRIME? CAPITALISM

EVERYONE WHO'S EVER DIED WHEN SOCIALISM EXISTED EVER MEANS ITS CAPITALISM'S FAULT

STUB YOUR TOE? CAPITALISM
STARVATION? CAPITALISM
MURDER AND CRIME? CAPITALISM

What about primitive communism?

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OMG DONT YOU GUYS KNOW CAPITALISM HAS KILLED ONE QUADRILLION PEOPLE!!

>commies
>people
even if commies were people 80 billion dead commies isn't enough

Dictatorship and failed free market economy?

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Oops forgot this.

Where on earth did you get the number?

You stupid communist bitch. Proper capitalism has only existed for a few centuries. You dumb bastard. Estimated 107 billion people are all that have ever lived. That's it. You want us to believe that "muh capitalism" killed almost all of those people? You giblet headed moron. Kill yourself.

You fucking larping loser. Stop pretending to be a fucking edgy leftist economist and historian. You dumb bastard. And stop being lazy and greedy you worthless fucker. That is all communism is, a "system" for lazy stupid greedy fuckers who want my shit and everyone else's shit. Stop. Stop before I find you mom and ass rape her into paying me what little is left of your inheritance after that bitch blows it on crack so I will ass rape her again.

You see goyiiiii mean comrade, true Communism has never been tried

Here.
Have a free education on me
youtu.be/9zvrd5x-2uU

People always make fun of "not real communism" but they never actually make an argument and if someone calls them out they just leave.

Is this the same guy who tried tell me the holocaust wasn't real.

If communists want to be communist nobody is stopping them, faggot. All they need to do is get together and divide their assets equally among themselves. Absolutely nothing stopping them all from doing this.

Bad at math and bad at facts. Could you be a bigger commie stereotype?

>If communists want to be communist nobody is stopping them, faggot.


Capitalist countries blowing them apart for no reason or CIA coups. Literally every single time.

Its not primitive communism that's a terrible name for it. Its simply tribalism that you're referring to IE a wolf pack, Indian tribe or a basic family. This still coincides with capitalism because all you are gaining is still going to your DNA (mom, dad, baby also others who are also extremely close in DNA although maybe not directly related).

the reason a rich successful person of this tribe may give to someone more useless is that the person receiving free shit from the strong member is more than likely also trying his ass off to be productive but he's not as good at it. Vs communism completely ignores true tribalism and is just an indoctrination tool to control and all tribes taking from the best and giving blindly to everyone else

Gommunism r Gud
FRe moni
Fuk werk

communists are stupid. there is nothing stopping all the socialists and communists, from getting together and dividing all their assets equally among themselves. nothing. reading comprehension, faggot.

>1 post by this ID
y'all niggers posting in a slide thread

Cringe.

>Communism is everyone sharing money in a capitalist society.

>80 billion
>Source: My ass

Nigga there have barely even been 80 billion people

Doesn’t exist. Go ask a fucking bushman what he thinks of the labor theory of value or the third international. Communism is a post-enlightenment modern Jew scheme. It NEVER existed in nature.

Why not? It is t illegal to start a commune or a worker-owned factory.

We all know the truth. The reason you want a revolution is because you want to STEAL.

The Population Reference Bureau estimates that there have been a total of 107.60 billion humans born in the history of the species. That said, communists are incompatible with hard numbers, so neither real communists or trolls like OP would know that.

Every species of primate we have observed, live in heirarchal familial groups. They have an alphas, betas, ect. It is logical to assume the human primate evolved along the same social lines. That makes your theory of primitive communism extremely suspect.

It's call the 'no true scotsman' fallacy

Sure its not 500 trillion? Check wikipedia.

Why don't commies condemn Planned Parenthood? Its such an open and easy criticism of captialism, yet not commies praying outside abortion mills. Weird.

le epic meme XDDD

Nice meme.

Incoherent gulag faggory

Yeah. For it to be no true scotsmans. It has to actually be a scotsmans first.

You fucking retard. Communism is worse because people die as a direct result of it's policies and mistakes.

>Duuuuuuh. Let's send all the productive members of society to death camps.
>Oops, everyone starved.

People die under Capitalism but it's not by design, and it usually happens because they're too retarded to survive anyway.

> muh 80 Billion
I really fucking enjoy this meme, I don't know why.

>Person dies of old age in a capitalist society
>Commies chalk it up as "killed by capitalism"

>anyone who dies in any country that isn't communist died because of capitalism

nigger

I'm going to kill you

>well over 80 billion
nigger there are barely over 7 billion people alive today and there is more people alive today that all the people that died during the entire human history.
fuck you.

So if the masses take arms and blow out the crapitalist class, does that make them the most fit?

That's the most retarded rejoinder you could have possibly come up with.

>For it to be no true scotsmans, there has to be a scotsman.
>There's no true scotsman.
>youplayedyourself.jpg

Sage this shill

You're not understanding. It's like if I said America was a communist country. I can't no true scotsman. If it's not a scotsman.

So I'll just use socialism as a example. Socialism is worker ownership of the means of production.

If I said

Revolutionary Spain (worker ownership of means of production) is not TRUE socialism because it doesn't have a state and I don't believe in states then it's no true scotsman.

but if I say

If I say

Venezuela isn't socialism at all because the workers don't own the means of production and the government protects the right to private property.

There isn't any fallacies there.

Fuck I did the space thing again. I need to get off reddit and learn to use this site.

>Venezuela isn't socialism at all because the workers don't own the means of production
> Marxists trying to reach marxist end goal by implementing marxist policies don't reach marxism therefore is not real marxism
That's not how it works. If you can never reach the end goal, then the ideology is a shit. Even if your end goal sat in a perfect flawless bubble, if you can never get there, then it's shit. If it takes a very specific group of people and can't be done in Asian, South America or Eastern Europe then why advocate something so shit and easily twisted?

Marxists were supporting and praising all of these countries before they went to shit, they made a concious decision to either re-evaluate/leave or to distance themselves with "muh no true gommunism" and try again. Not going to fly bud.

Immaterial, as class consciousness isn’t real.

>> Marxists trying to reach marxist end goal by implementing marxist policies don't reach marxism therefore is not real marxism

It's not the Marxist definition. It's the basic defintion and it was made before Marx was around. In reality Marxists hate the definition.


>That's not how it works. If you can never reach the end goal, then the ideology is a shit.

So you agree with me. It's not socialism. Never was.

I don't remember any plan to give workers ownership of the means of production in Venezuela but if you got some sources I'd love to see them. You can't say Venezuela was an example of the failure of getting to socialism if it was never attempted.


> Even if your end goal sat in a perfect flawless bubble, if you can never get there, then it's shit. If it takes a very specific group of people and can't be done in Asian, South America or Eastern Europe then why advocate something so shit and easily twisted?

I can name about 35 times it's been done.

There are only 7 or 8 billion people on Earth now more than ever before so it wouldn't be surprising if 80 billion died.
Capitalism has only existed for a few hundred years m8.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_economy
I don't recall there being profits in hunter-gatherer societies either.
And communism doesn't mean social equality, it's just economic equality, cultural marxism is a meme.

You did it again. Literally every time someone tried socialism there's some moron going
> not real socialism
You're whole argument is that I can't point out the fact that every attempt at communism has been a dismal failure because
> not real socialism
You don't seem to understand what the no true scotsman fallacy means.

Maybe you should just get off the Internet entirely.

Communism murdered hundreds of millions of people stunting and decimating the real population groth that capitaliism caused for 100 years causing the LARGEST POPULATION explosion in the history fo the world

If a self-proclaimed vegan eats meat but still claims to be vegan, he isn't vegan, no matter how much other people insist that all vegans must secretly eat meat.

If that's true then good, too much population growth makes everyone poorer.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_Concerning_Diet_and_Apparel_1363

>If you can never reach the end goal, then the ideology is a shit.
>Implying that if it hasn't been done, it can't be done.

I take it you're not the head of, or even the janitor at NASA's JPL.

However, if literally everyone who ever tried to be or claimed to be vegan eventually either died or gave in and started eating meat, secretly or otherwise, we might have grounds to say veganism doesn't work.

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oof

all of my searching has said around 140bn in history, counting only homo sapiens.

If a self-proclaimed vegan says that they can abolish the use of red meat by eating Tofu and then they eat nothing but tofu and they die from it, the rest of their end goal doesn't matter.

These self-proclaimed marxists implemented marxist policies that were supported and praised by marxists around the world.
> free housing
> free education
> nationalization
etc etc. It's a sliding scale and they keep fucking up their very genuine attempts, unless it can be proven that the attempts weren't genuine.

> It's not socialism. Never was.
I agree that they didn't reach their end goal, that doesn't mean the end goal is somehow better, it does mean their methods have been shit and the policies they and world marxists supported are also shit.

> I can name about 35 times it's been done.
35 times people reached the end goal? See this shit differs from Marxist to Marxist, one defends Stalin's USSR, other talk about the stateless propertyless moneyless end goal, others take temporary partial implementations and call them successes. What's your list and how do you qualify them?

>self-hating American

>every person ever born died from capitalism
I... wut?
Here's your (you), you've earned it you retarded ass communist you.

Not saying it can't be done, there's heaps of different ways to try, heaps of different ways they did try and the same flaws keep popping up. The onus of proof is on Mr Marxist Attempt #3,247, not me.

Seriously OP, go back to /leftypol/

See:

sage

You didn't answer anything I said.

Speaking of facefucking

>being allowed to privately own property kills people

The definition is and always has been. Workers ownership of the means of production. That's all it needs to be socialism. How people differ on government or money is between ideologies but there needs to be worker ownership.

Anarchists don't believe in the state but believe in worker ownership of the means of production.

Market Socialists believe in markets and worker ownership of the means of production.

Communists believe in a stateless, classless, moneyless society in which workers owns the means of production.

Do you see the pattern?

Think of every society you ever thought was socialist and we will see if it was.

Now name every society you think attempted socialism and we can go over those one by one. The majority of places you're thinking of never even attempted to bring any shred of socialism.

Don't bother arguing with communists they're more religious than Muslims

> I can name 35
> nah but you name yours first
Right.

> Workers ownership of the means of the production
There's a reason why Marxists hate this definition because it's outdated, it was used at a time when everything was about factories. That's why they talk about the end goals, stateless, classless, moneyless, worker or public ownership, democratic decision making, equality, social justice, redistribution, class consciousness.

You have to admit that the above list, has had many people attempt to implement policies that marxists around the world praised to that focus on those areas in order to help transition the world/a country/a society to the end goal.

If you're going to stand by cancelling that entire list out, plus every attempt based on whether they acheived worker ownership of the means of production then at least make sure you're not hypocrite that supports universal healthcare, higher progressive taxes, free education, nationalization etc like the rest of the lefties around the world.

If only Muslims were able to make factual arguments that no one on here could refute.

>extrajudicial killing is cool and good
>someone bungled the statistics so you can't complain about it
>transition states that never dissolve aren't endemic of an ideological failure at all Xi Jinping will show those revisionists what for trust me
>state capitalism is cool and good and "like more equal-er and shit like that" cause my based chapopede buddies on twitter said
>what do you mean you don't want to set the entire species back 150 years we GOTTA DO IT and QUICK

gotta love those wonderful twitter tankies
and their wonderful "takes" on hot items
totes ironic broski

>There's a reason why Marxists hate this definition because it's outdated, it was used at a time when everything was about factories. That's why they talk about the end goals, stateless, classless, moneyless, worker or public ownership, democratic decision making, equality, social justice, redistribution, class consciousness.

This is wrong. It's just Marxists thinking Marx was the only word. They believe in worker ownership of the means of production but they think if it still has wage labour, commodities, etc that's it not socialism. Which is "No true scotsman"


Just because a socialist supports social democratic welfare programs doesn't mean they are automatically a capitalist or that every social democratic country is now socialist. That would just be insane.

Why do you think it's contradictory for a socialist to want to live in the most equal capitalism while they have to? It's not like they are automatically not a socialist anymore because they believe in universal healthcare? What do you want them to believe in?

Here's a good list of places where workers have owned the means of production
New Harmony, Indiana (1825–1827)
Oberlin Colony (1833-1843)
Utopia, Ohio (1844-1856)
Socialist Community of Modern Times (1851-1864)
The Paris Commune (1871)
Home, Washington (1895-1919)
Equality Colony (1900-1907)
Strandzha Commune (1903)
Saint Petersburg Soviet (1905)
The Soviet Union (1917-1918)
Alsace-Lorraine Soviet Republic (1918)
Spartacist uprising (1918-1919)
Free Territory of Ukraine (1918-1921)
Hungarian Soviet Republic (1919)
Bavarian Soviet Republic (1919)
Limerick Soviet (1919)
Bremen Soviet Republic (1919)
Biennio Rosso (1919-1920)
Ruhr Uprising (1920)
Kronstadt rebellion (1921)
Life and Labor Commune (1921-1937)
Anarchist Shinmin (1929-1932)
Revolutionary Spain (1936 – 1939)
Peasants Associations in Korea (1945-1950)
Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (1945–1992)
Rural China (1948-1950)
Hungarian Revolution (1956)
May 1968 events in France (1968)
Czechoslovakia under Dubček / Prauge Spring (1968)
Chile during Allende's government (1970-1973)
Jamacia under Manley (1972-1980)
New Jewel Movement / PRG in Greneda (1973-1983)
Seychelles under René (1977-2004)
People's Republic of Kampuchea (1979–1989)
Marinaleda, Spain (1979-Present)
Burkina Faso under Sankara (1983-1987)
Rebel Zapatista Autonomous Municipalities (1994-Present)
Oaxaca Commune (2006)
Democratic Federation of Rojava – Northern Syria (2013-Present)

If they're pozzing for Keynesian economic stimulus and underwrite Foxconn they might as well drop the pretenses and register Republican lmao

If you have enough money, you can purchase some land and start a commune in a capitalist country.
No one's stopping you, it's all perfectly legal.
Now why, why might I ask, has not one of these communes ever succeeded?

What is a slush fund Alex?

>capitalism has allowed 80 billion to be born and to be killed by it

Please, please name those 35 times. Oh wait, you can't

mean macho masculinity money (4m)
they could fuck off to join that twelve tribes cult /right now/ but then they'd have to associate with prims and religion :-(
and throw away their cellphone :-(((

Yeah because communism is a commune in a capitalist society.

I already did just scroll up.

?
Let us say that you own a large amount of land, with enough farmland & resources to be completely self-sufficient from the world.
Then let us say that you establish a commune there, following all the rules an actual communist society would.
What is the difference between that commune and "real communism?"

Why do they all only last a year or two?

Surely you have a reasonable and not contrived explanation.