Can someone please redpill me on Orthodoxy? I've been in some neo Protestant like cult all my life and I've never been satisfied by how empty and unfulfilling it has become. First of all I'm not allowed to marry people outside my religion, can't celebrate any other holiday associated with paganism, can't date anyone outside my religion, can't go to other church services or get expelled, [insert long list of generic cult stuff]
Catholicism has already been tainted with anti birth pills, kissing migrant feet, dogs into heaven, etc. and keep changing their dogma to appease more followers. Southern Baptist, Episcopal, etc. all seem like mini versions of Protestantism that don't feel like the true religion to me.
//Tl;dr, Orthodoxy is the only best religion and I should convert
Yeah, it's the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. You should definitely join. But on the other hand we are DEFINITELY not without our problems. Don't expect every Ortho you meet to be some sort of based trad. We're sinners, all of us. Of course, don't join us because you're trad, join us because our religion is true.
Gabriel Morgan
Do you have any specific questions we can help with?
Yes it's true and beautiful. And it's time Europe convert to authentic Christianity
Cooper Foster
I was a godfather to a muslim not long ago I almost burst out laughing at the river when the priest said, being baptized is the servant of God, Muhamed.
Do as you wish, nobody can sell it to you, you either take it or not. And the Church is not supposed to have any political agenda, its supposed to be a community of people who worship, very comfy community as well. I dont know about Orthodox Christianity being the original Christianity, here 90% of it is pagan traditions still being kept but under a different name. I asked an old priest and he confirmed it and said it would be a devastating sin to get rid of those traditions or to look down upon our ancestors. Mentioned correlations between the old top god Svarog and God Father from the trinity, last of his Sons being Jesus, Himself, as a last chance to humanity that will destroy themselves. Asked him about other pagan gods, he just said that the existence before the man is not ours to meddle in, angels came before man. Very open minded he was, but very incoherent because im a little thick and dont understand spiritual talk too good. All in all, when you are at a liturgy, you do feel far more uplifted and spiritual, ulike DAS RIGHT MMMMMHMMMM PREACH ON IT OH LAWD IN JESUS NAME fake frenzy Catholics desecrate the Holy Spirit with their pope. Pope is NOT chosen by God
Blake Evans
They believe in salvation through works and thereby aren't bible-believing Christians. Step up your game homie.
Kevin Thomas
For real: the Schism is on. This criminal pope's hubris is ALWAYS worse than his predecessors'. NATO cannot win since jfk except v USSR. USSR gone...Russia restored to a nation, without a royal family, but due to the lack of pedophilia, masonry, and conyemot for the great whore (judaism) and beast/false prophet(s)(islam), Orthadoxy has never been a schill religion.
Gabriel Reed
What is the name of the research in Age of empires 2 with which a monk can convert an enemy monk? youtube.com/watch?v=g9ksr6Sb_2A
Ryder Lee
Orthodox is Catholic without the Pope. And cooler
Tyler Diaz
Will you tell us the Orthodox soteriology then? Because I doubt you even know what it is.
Caleb Mitchell
Definitely. Just don't forget to bring rations for 3 days to church.
Hunter Ward
Zoroastrianism is the true religion
It is both manly and Aryans, unlike sissy (((cuckstianity)))
David Ross
I'll pass on the dualism, thanks.
Hudson Myers
Isn't Christianity dualism as well?
Kayden Clark
Zoroastrian Dualism is different from Christian/Gnostic/Platonic Dualism
Zoroastrianism doesn't condemn the body, on the contrary they condemn what could harm health like fasting, and so on
Blake Sanders
The only true dualism's Orthodox Christianity hold are a Creator/Creation, and an Essence/energies distinction; which are basically the same anyway. The Holy Trinity is the only way to make sense of unity and multiplicity, without becoming a complete monist or dualist.
Angel Garcia
>platonic hocus pocus >making sense of anything Good one
Adam Kelly
>Implying you are not already a orthocuck
Grayson Baker
>Thomas Jefferson
Lincoln Ramirez
>some britbong on an Athenian shadow puppetry cave
James Torres
Heres the chart.
Noah Smith
> can't celebrate any other holiday associated with paganism Nah, all of our holidays are like those. Like Easter and Christmas, for example.
I don't know what the true church is but I wager it isn't the Orthodox. Probably the Catholic
Adam Robinson
Is orthodoxy truly derived from the original traditions of the early church? What is your take on salvation, what does it take? What is theosis? How does the orthodox dogma differ from "western theology" in terms of metaphysics?
Adrian Flores
True brainlet. Wasn't Jefferson a deist? The trinity was created to underline the mystery and transcendental nature of God, as well as to make the dogma impervious to the logical reductionism of greek logic. God can't be completely understood by rationality alone as he is metaphysically separate. If one insists God can be apprehended by rationality alone is to reduce him to the material, whatever that is, it can't be God.
Austin Adams
Read the Cappadocian church father's trinitarian theology.
Adam Campbell
>Wasn't Jefferson a deist? Yes, and? I'm not arguing against deism.
>The trinity was created to underline the mystery and transcendental nature of God, as well as to make the dogma impervious to the logical reductionism of greek logic. You mean to make the belief in God irrational and allow the clergy to have a monopoly on religious matters through the doctrine of an incomprehensible creator, whose will they alone can somehow correctly interpret and, worst of all, represent on Earth with their popes and priests.
You're absolutely right that the concept of Trinity was created though. Shame you don't realize what it was created for.
>If one insists God can be apprehended by rationality alone is to reduce him to the material What a stupid thing to say. The fact that God may be transcendental doesn't mean he has to be beyond reason, much less that a rational God is necessarily a material God.
Liam Peterson
>Is orthodoxy truly derived from the original traditions of the early church? >What is your take on salvation, what does it take? >What is theosis? > in terms of metaphysics? Lol fucking what? Explain.
Nathan Baker
>You mean to make the belief in God irrational and allow the clergy to have a monopoly on religious matters through the doctrine of an incomprehensible creator, whose will they alone can somehow correctly interpret and, worst of all, represent on Earth with their popes and priests. God approached the prophets, they did not start the dialogue with their rationality. Rationality has it's place as it can be used to realize God's law but not God himself. You're damn right I think the clergy should have monopoly on religious matters, the church should be anchored in tradition and guide their flocks. It's their job to be informed about dogma and tradition. And to bring these forth, in their correct form, to the public.
I'm baptised as a prottie and I detest the idea of individual interpretation. Just look what has happened since the reformation, heresies galore and an upsurge of atheism. It's ridiculous. Luther basically demolished the role of the clergy and it has since been destroying civilization, bringing forth decadence and all kinds of ungodly things.
>What a stupid thing to say. The fact that God may be transcendental doesn't mean he has to be beyond reason, much less that a rational God is necessarily a material God. We are material, hence our faculties are material . If something is above and prior to everything material, it is indeed separate. Basic metaphysics. Logos is what can be perceived by rationality, not God.
Joseph Sanders
Those are specific questions I'd like answered by someone who is familiar with the subject matter.
Brandon Watson
>I'd like answered by someone who is familiar with the subject matter. Most of orthdox christians don't give a fuck about it
Thomas Reyes
What a shame. I'm going to study theology so I'm pretty interested in this stuff. Plus I'm thoroughly disappointed in my church.
Dominic Collins
>Rationality has it's place as it can be used to realize God's law but not God himself. >Logos is what can be perceived by rationality, not God >I'm going to study theology
Grayson Kelly
To make the church great again we literally have to go back to 787 A.D
Elijah Hill
>Catholicism has already been tainted with anti birth pills anti-birth pills are a mortal sin in Catholicism, but they are allowed in orthodoxy >kissing migrant feet, kissing feet on a certain occasion is part of christianity in general, the Pope being a virtue signalling leftist does not change that >dogs into heaven, etc. Animals don't go to heaven. You probably have this retarded opinion because Pope Paul VI once gave an ambiguous answer to some kid to cheer him up because he was sad his dog had died, but that sentence in no way implied that the kid would actually see his dog in heaven
If these are your problems with Catholicism, you should know that Orthodoxy allows contraception, divorce and abortion.
Cameron Bell
Nice argument there, breh
Jose Fisher
Vlad, I am Orthodox in UK, but do not want to raise a family here because it's basically illegal to actually practice my faith. Where is the best place to move, logistically, and be a practicing Orthodox Christian? Sincere question.
Camden Clark
Woah, based Finn understands caste distinction, and that spiritual truths can be better understood by some (teachers) than others. Major props.
Jacob Moore
I was raised Baptist and I’ve been attending an Orthodox Church for the last month. Pretty sure I’m going to convert.
Let your heart lead you, and of course, pray and ask God for guidance. God bless you for seeking the Truth.
David Jackson
Catholics are heretics.
Evan Campbell
Thanks, based paki. Actual traditionalists are hard to come by.
Colton Ramirez
> BEGOME
Nicholas Sanchez
As rare here as in Finland. It's why I think I am going to have to emigrate.
Fr. Seraphim Rose, a spiritual student of Rene Guenon helped bring me to Orthodoxy.
Bentley Collins
>It's why I think I am going to have to emigrate. Where to? >Fr. Seraphim Rose, a spiritual student of Rene Guenon helped bring me to Orthodoxy. Thanks, I'll check it out.
Christopher Clark
Not sure. Considering an Orthodox country but will need to learn the language beforehand. I would opt for Greece if they ever paid their debnts. Belarus, Russia are options. Also Catholic countries, Slovakia, Hungary, and Poland all have pretty significant little Orthodox communities
I know all these places are significantly poorer than the UK, but the public and oftentimes legal derision with which religion in general is treated here has convinced me I could not have a family life in this place.
Jackson James
God said "no" when he drowned the original patriarchies in Islam.
it's sad, but to this day I think the patriarchies would still be Christian majority lands if they had remained Catholic...
Ian Hernandez
Pretty brave move. Been considering moving to the countryside myself, to get further away from all the degeneracy. Cities are no for a family these days. There's only 1% orthodox people in Finland, but the Finnish orthodox church is still the second national church here.
Jaxon Sanders
Cool digits I don't think it's so simple. Catholicism has had it's fair share of problems as well. Reformation, thirty years war, losing the culture war to globalism in America, and Europe by extension, disfiguration of the latin mass in many places, 2nd vatican council etc. And atheism plaguing all faith.
Brody Davis
Undoubtedly Catholicism has its fare share of flaws and I won't say it's getting better, but between protestants, catholics and orthodox, the catholic faith seems to be the strongest of the three. Protestantism only loses because it seems to breed atheism for some reason.
Ian Nguyen
Catholicism, while largest, seems to be quite diluted also. Protestantism is by far the worst of the three, since the lack of clerical authority undermines the whole church structure and teachings. To me it seems that orthodoxy hasn't diluted it's dogma or structure to get people to join, like the other two seem to have done. This is why I think it probably is the truest of the three.
Brody Rodriguez
Join the Serbian Orthodox Church, OP. In wartime our priests become guerilla leaders.
Lincoln Gomez
There's really no alternative in Britain. You can't just 'move to the country' anymore, because the state and its intrusions on daily life are so huge through the regimented school system, and in fact Scotland is now introducing a program where every single child will have a social worker to 'monitor' them to determine if they should be taken into care, a harbinger of things to come.
Blake Wilson
God bless Serbia. I love reading about your nation's history, and the courage your people had in the face of the American dogs. One day there shall be justice.
Jace Foster
Sadly, it's literally impossible to convert unless you marry one of them.
Supposedly though, when their next savior comes he gets to convert anyone, so I guess we'll just have to wait
