Why are Americans against free healthcare?

Why are Americans against free healthcare?

A hip replacement is only $40k? Not a bad deal IMO.

The people who would pay for it already have cheaper, higher quality healthcare. The people who would benefit from it don't speak english and don't contribute to society. Other than the smell, them dying in the streets would be a net gain for society (and given where the tend to congregate the smell might not even be an issue).

>free

>$7,371
>(((free)))

Because it isn't free.

>free
"Gibs me dat"

It's not the lack of universal healthcare that's the problem, but the power that insurance companies have over policymaking.

0$ here, for any surgery

Why don't places like China and India have free healthcare?

It's certainly not free. Other people are just paying for it, just as if you were to have a job and money to spend, you would pay for it in taxes.

As for the cost portion of it, collective bargaining has it's advantages. When the government has more or less a monopoly on purchasing healthcare services, they are able to negotiate the prices a lot lower than in America where insurance risk pools are the closest bet to it.

Some states have pretty well functioning Medicaid/Title 19, but you only qualify for it by being broke.

if you can live somewhere for 33k for 2 (two) years its probably because its so poor and crime ridden there.

My dad got a free hip replacement in the US cause he broke it on a construction site and workers compensation insurance covered all of it.

That's what a good health care system allows for.

Because we don’t respect each other.

Most western nations have a sense of community and are okay paying to help someone because it means someone will pay to help them.

We would rather kill someone for taking $300 out of a gas station register and pretend im a hero who really made a difference.

He also got paid his money for going to work until he could go to work again. Am I missing something here?

Oh right, socialist niggers want to collect money for doing nothing until they're 80 years old and fall and break their hip then they want the government to pay for that too.

Good goy!

See how great socialized medicine works when your countries have a massive shitskin underclass that takes much more than they pay in, like us.

You don't even need to be a minority, but 25% and we'll see how long these entitlements last

I think it might be because of their mutt brains. They just can't think straight!

>free

>tfw totaled my car
>tfw shattered my teeth
>tfw don't have enough money to fix either

Pls fix me "free" markert

>Take the low cost Spanish option
>Die of sepsis

Because "free" is never actually free.

Because they would rather suffer than see someone they consider less-deserving get the same superior healthcare.

Our obesity rate is higher than yours
I don't want to pay for some fat fuck that eats mcdonalds every day

Which has nothing to do with Obamacare or universal healthcare and everything to do with safe workplace laws.

Nice example.

>if we give free healthcare, nobody will care about the high taxes!

>+ taxes

>it costs 33k to live in Madrid for two years

Then go to spain faggot

>my actions have consequences waaaah

>Madrid has the worst economy and lowest employment rate in Western Europe.

no shit it's cheap

that's true, but you'd probably make times less doing the same job in spain so it evens out

>higher cost for medical education
>understaffed hospitals means their labor is more valuable
>medical training takes years longer
>tons and tons of red tape to navigate through
>lawsuit happy USA

take your pick

Fine you get free healthcare.
>Wait times are now 6 months because the health demand is high and care supply low
>doctors, nurses, cnas, etc on down start getting underpaid, because even though govt is paying out more often, they are paying less for each line item
>Baby Charlie 2.0 happens and a conservative shitstorm goes down
And once you vote for socialized medicine you can never get rid of it
Also
>California overwhelming votes for universal health care
>it gets vetoed because it would bankrupt the state
Our largest economy

I don't think they're against it.
I think they are against paying outrageous taxes to support it because of the jacked up procedure costs in the U.S.
Unless the medical field lowers prices across the board, government medical cannot work. Pharmacies and physicians would rape the system for cash.

Can confirm. Was offered a tenure track professorship in Spain for what amounted to $38K/year. I tried to stop laughing on the phone to give them my answer but eventually had to hang up.

Why should I have to pay for some 400lb person who smokes two packs a day?

Collectivism is bullshit, I work out, eat right, avoid soyboy trash, etc. I am in no way obligated to pay because others do not live the same lifestyle as me.

$40K vs $7k

That is really not much difference considering.

Exactly.

Infact it's free for the user, you don't actually pay shit as a citizen.
Its the state the one who pays it with all the taxes of everyone, anyways murricans have a big problem with insurance shit and their sanitary services in general, when the same thing is done 500% cheaper you have a problem with your system.

>Two one way tickets from JFK to Madrid: $500
>Two hip replacements: $14,742
>Money left to live off of per year for two years: $12,561
This doesn't account for any other fees or expenses, either. Have fun living in abject poverty for 2 years.

This is true. What may actually help the system is to expand the general practice either by government sponsorship (increasing free clinics) or by reducing overhead (essentially make malpractice suits nearly impossible for general practice physicians and lower overhead by making nurses able to give well-child visits and general physicals)

There are a lot of reasons Canada and U.K. can have universal healthcare. The increased scope of practice for lesser educated medical staff chief among them.

>the state is an entity
>the state generates its own capital

Are you sure you understand how finances work?

I'll have the last laugh next time you hydroplane off the road nigger

>still hasn't learned that actions have consequences.

Try taking it slower the next time it's wet out.

How’s that 5 year wait tho

He's a Spaniard who's only lived under socialism his whole life and is used to the nanny state providing.
Of course he doesn't know.

You don't actually pay that in the USA.
Insurance will pay most of it.

>hur dur can't read a whole post.
Everyone pays their taxes but we don't actually pay the bill.
Therefore we don't pay anything when we go to the doctor, and the price is still the same for the same operation at charge of the state but it's 500% more expensive on your country.

we're retarded and vote against our interests

>Free

Fuck off you leach

UKfag cum Ausfag here. Genuine question.

What happens if im at a music concert, or ina nightclub, or at a primary school, or university, or in a cinema, and someone walks in and pumps round after unrelenting round into my body.

Do i have to pay out of my own pocket for doctors to save my life, the following hospital stay, and the years of rehabilitation thereafter?

If yes, what if i can't afford to pay because im a minor whose parents arent rich, or if im made unemployed as a result of the injury?

Genuinely interested in how it works in the US.

>free

This. People can't fathom that we're so obese as a nation that type 2 diabetes will be bankrupting us by 2040. It's game over, boyos. We let fat lives matter for too long.

If you have insurance you're probably gonna be fine.
If you don't you'll be fine too but in more medical debt
Either way your poor ass will probably be paying monthly payments to the hospital
Or declare medical bankruptcy. That's a thing too. A lot more popular before Obamacare even though pol seems to forget that

> FREE

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHH
people pay 20% of their income for this shit

> FREE

fucking me dead and drag me through a cum lake

Assuming your insurance doesn't cover you in the US and you don't have travel insurance:

Generally you'd get all the treatment you'd need, at least in the short term, then you'd be sent an absurdly expensive hospital bill. The years of rehabilitation would be done in your own country probably. Being international there is not a lot they could do to collect your debt but theoretically you'd be expected to pay it.

And you guys hand over 40% of your income.

I love how Europeans claim to have the same disposable income and quality of life as us, but I don't see them owning american-sized houses, 4 cars, 55 inch TVs in every bedroom and multiple game consoles/upper-end workstations.

this
please nuke us, I have to pay a tax for every time I click the keyboard. And at the same time I also get to enjoy watching my own people be replaced and traditional values mocked.
NUKE ME.

You pay. Eventually they'll give up sending debt collectors tho.
If you're a minor you should be covered under Medicaid if you're too poor.
Don't forget the mortgage length those Europoors get. 40 or 45 years to own an ok house lmao. Most of them end up being renters for life lmfao.

get your hip replaced with what?

I have good health and would despise paying for Tyrone's medical bill after he gets shot.

>the state pays for it
LOL! the absolute decrepit BTFO state of leftist indoctrination!

With a hip.

Because it requires turning over our healthcare to the hands of the government. We don't trust our government. We don't even like our government.
We don't want to give it anymore power than we have to. Thanks. You know you Europeans could learn from that.
If you did, some of you could say what you want again without being arrested! Can you imagine?

Blimey, so if you're a minor whose parents cant afford medical insurance, or if you yourself cant afford it- even if you work- you're basically financially fucked for the rest of your life?

Wow.

Why didn't you buy insurance when you were healthy?

>paying taxes
lol who the fuck pays taxes, just don't pay them it's as easy as that

How much is the average monthly cost for health insurance?

Yeah but thanks to liberals the deductibles are insane for those of us that actually work forr a living. God damn healthcare was so much better before Obama.

>people think the cost of healthcare under government mandated insurance is the same as cost would be out of pocket

hahahaha HILARIOUS

buncha fuckin idiots

With a whip.

Yeah it's great until your Wife gets cancer and you end up homeless trying to pay for it.
Consider the following: No one dies of "old age" it's cancer and heart disease.
Your private insurance won't cover your 250,000 dollar medical bills. It's all great when you're paying (more per month than I do) for a hospital you might not use until you're 60-70 years old.

I accept that our hospitals need work, and I accept that our ER wait times are disgusting, can you not admit that being forced into the gutter over your health is also fucked?

How much is the average insurance for a family of 4, just out of interest?

Spain is the size of fucking Texas with less people so stop trying to compare your little fucking country to the 46 million to our 325 million. If you had to manage the influx of millions upon millions of worthless fucks draining your system you’d beg for a 40k hip replacement.

With a chip.

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Cuz it's not "Free" you fucking idiot. /thread

Really, you guys can't pay attention more than two fucking minutes, let's pretend like you didn't read that I said 'everyone pays taxes'.
If you work here, you pay medical taxes for everyone, you can't say no to it.

Ancient fag here.

Had a heart attack last year, thrombocytic clot...idiopathic in origin. ( that means its blood clot and they dont know where it came from.)
The bill was only 1400 for the catheterization but was covered by insurance.
The 63,000 hospital stay was rediculous. My insurance company had to habe lawyers threaten the hospital...they were trying to bill under my wifes name, double charge stuff etc. it was crazy.
Its almost a year later and ill still get a bill once in awhile....for shit that never happened occasionally. The hospital just fires off bills hoping someone will pay them apparently.

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With an incredibly rich onion dip.

If the Spanish option is so superior, why not do it?

>literally fly to Spain
As opposed to figuratively flying to Spain?

So, if you're an american caught up in a gun massacre youre basically fucked for the rest of your miserable if you dont have insurance?

Can i ask what the average cost is? what do all the other US posters pay per month or year for insurance, for example?

Minors qualify for Medicaid/Medicare is their parents are poor.

This is the truth. Americans are being kiked down and the yellow flag faggots on this board will defend it. A few cartels control the flow of health are in this country. I don’t think there is such a thing as “free” health care and I don’t advocate for it but the system in this country is not designed to serve the people, it is a racket for a few to milk te many. I think probably the Japanese model would be a good move. We need pragmatism. The market or government should only be allowed to direct in so far as they produce results which are in the nations interests. What we have now is a nightmare scenario of regulationist corporatism with no discernible benefit to Americans. We ought to do better.

You'd totally lmao at our tax rates my dude

I hate my fellow americans thats why

you get what you pay for

Would that cover the medical bills after they are no longer a minor? And if not, would the injury count as a precluded preexisting condition?

Yeah we have a really big problem with housing, specially on the mediterranean countries.
And the sanitary costs are going to be increased a lot in the next two decades, people getting older, retirement, not contributing to the state and therefore syphoning it and putting the burden on the youth, there's a BIG problem on europe with that, that's why ((they)) are importing sandniggers but it's not going to work as they think.

Also it is very telling that the niggers in government always talk about healthcare insurance being affordable is their goal. This is gay and retarded. Healthcare itself should be affordable.

I pay nothing since my employer covers it.
If I need something serious, my deductible is $5000 per year (if I need to get something done then I pay this and insurance covers 100% of everything else the rest of the year). My employer also contributes $3k/year to my HSA which can be used towards my deductible.
This is considered """ok""" insurance in the states. I much prefer this then the state taking my money and subsidizing Tyrone and other oafs.

Adults are not responsible for bills they rack up while minors so no. Regardless, there aren't debt prisons in the US and bankruptcy is an option and there are limits to the amount of property creditors with liens can take from people.

>free healthcare
Its not even free here. On average it costs $5,500 a year


It's so expensive in the US because of government regulation, paperwork, and legal fees. Literally would be cheaper than anywhere else in the world if it weren't for government control of the healthcare industry.

This.
>fly back home with new hip, hepatitis c and some broken spokes.

This. There's a reason Canadian come to the US for procedures

Ive heard that alot of medical insurance is linked to your job. Out of interest, what happens when you lose your job i.e. if your factory or building site closes down, if you are injured, or when you retire?