Sup Forums shits on libertarianism

>Sup Forums shits on libertarianism
>(american) Sup Forums loves the confederacy, which is pretty much the end goal of libertarianism
Can somebody explain this to me? I get how the fascists and Nat-Socs on here hate libertarianism since they're pretty much polar opposites, but I don't get the love for the confederacy, which was a collection of states with large decentralization of government, while hating libertarianism which is at its essence, advocating for smaller/decentralized government.

w-what do you think all their buttholes smell like?

like gardens of roses

Libertarianism and National Socialism or similar ideologies are only enemies if you consider the political spectrum to be "individualism vs. collectivism". In reality, libertarians agree on many things with National Socialists and confederates. I think most all of us oppose Marxism more than we do each other.

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NatSoc has a hell lot more in common with communism than it has with libertarianism.
Wtf are you talking about? All of the fascist mass mobilizations and nationalization of companies/property are the living proof of this.

Fascist countries historically used largely corporatist economies. Sometimes industries would be nationalized depending on their utility or the circumstances of the country, but generally fascist states liberalized their economies.
>mass mobilizations
You're stuck in the "individualism vs. collectivism" mindframe. But there are reasons the battles of the 20th century were not fascism vs. libertarianism.

> A state built upon slavery which has it officially codified into its fundamental essence and constitution is the end goal of libertarianism
kek
> NatSoc
> Individualism
Max kek

Like shit.

salty sea

who are all these semen demons?

How the fuck was the Confederacy libertarian? Read the Confederate Constitution, aside from letting states levy tariffs it reserved the same federal powers, including to crush insurrection.

Nazis don't love the confederacy. In fact, they frequently used the confederacy to lambast the US as racist.

Holy shit how is not even one of the even mildly attractive? The two on the sides are absolutely horrific while the three in the middle are passable as mtf.

If you listen to Hitler's speeches he sounds more like Karl Marx than Ayn Rand. Hitler simply replaces "bourgeoisie" with "Jews".

>Nazis lambast others for racism

Nazis are leftists. Fascism started out as a leftist movement in Italy. No matter how much they hate commies and marxists, facists/Nazis are leftists, just of the fucked up ultra-nationalist variety kind of like Ba'athists.

Because classical liberalism is the political counterpart of liberalism that led to the current progressivism.

Liberalism has a continuity. Revolutionaries stand on the shoulders of other revolutionaries and further develop revolutionary ideals.
Thus, theological liberalism (protestantism) begat philosophical liberalism (Endarkenment philosophy) begat classical liberalism (American/French revolution) begat Marxism - and in the West, begat cultural Marxism.

Antonio Gramsci, of Frankfurt school fame, an intellectual founder of cultural Marxism said pic related. They understood the continuity of liberalism and where it leads.
Without Fr. Luther, Voltaire, Locke, Hobbes, and Jefferson, there would be no Marx, no Gramsci, and no SJW.
Stop being a damn liberal and educate yourself.

Libertarianism is 1 further left than liberals and 2 it just gets you bogged down on irrelevant shit like economics.

You'd understand why it's a waste of time if you read Mein Kampf.

Sup Forums is full of idiots. But at least they're better than leftists and niggers.

>liberalism (American/French revolution) begat Marxism - and in the West, begat cultural Marxism
The precursors to Marxism was already around when the American revolution happened. Its one reason why Jefferson insisted on three branches of government.

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My comment was merely a birdseye view. There are nuances and intermediary stages, as is true with any revolutionary movement.
The point is, classical liberalism set the stage for socialism and Marxism in the actualization of the overthrow of altar and throne which was pontificated and plotted by the Endarkenment philosophers.

That being said, progressivism as we know it could not have existed without the institution of the first secular, godless State (by Protestants no less) in recorded human history.
Napoleon spread classical liberalism across Europe where it couldn't take hold politically without the force of arms, and meanwhile emancipating the Jews so as to hopefully use them for his cause.

>The socialist is saying that Libertarians stand to the left of liberals.
I would tell you to kill yourself, but you'll surely win your Darwin award any day now.

>A state which supports slavery is the end goal of libertarianism
Fucking what?

It is though libertarians could care less about culture they only care about economics.
They are extreme individualists even more so than liberals.

Libertarians ARE liberals you retard. Marxists co-opting the term liberal to hide the fact that they're marxists doesn't change what liberal actually means when you're talking about ideologies.

>Slave
>What is private property

Well liberal means something different now than what it used to mean they are further left than classical liberals. That is how I should have put it.

How is owning people contradictory to Libertarian ideals?

>government that claims to protect private property to a greater extent
>literally lolbertarianisms economic platform

Right? I think the one on the left is the duff. She’s got them birthing hips.

Classical Liberalism also produced Libertarianism. We are the torch bearers.

Unless you're talking about classical liberals and not the current incarnation of liberalism, wtf are you talking about? Liberals are consummate collectivists.

> irrelevant shit like economics
> how best to allocate resources in a world of scarcity to satisfy peoples wants & needs progressing the human race
> irrelevant
Blood & soil! Kek

Second from left is objectively the best

Well yeah. The natural outgrowth from you guys are the progressive, SJW.
Liberalism always continues further downward and left. There is no return to 1776.

Checked.

Time to evolve your philosophy to keep up with the times. Give it moral back bone

wow those girls have really unfortunate waistlines

Exactly. They want to harp on about individualism, neglecting it's atomizing effect. They'll talk about NAP and the right of entitlement, but then engage in discussion against moral degradation in the streets with gay pride naked marches and children twerking. It's Cato institute and other "libertarian" institutions which pushed for mass migration because it was good for business. Libertarians live in a fantasy land.

I'm calling libertarians individualistic, obviously.

They're ideological freemasons without the formal initiation. I really disdain the terms left and right, as it all refers to French revolutionary politics.
The progressives and the conservatives took respective sides of the Court, with the conservatives wanting to retain what they had gained, and the progressives wanting to go further. They were both groups of murderers and rebels.
Guess who won? The progressives. Why? Because liberalism always tends further left.
Classical liberalism is therefore merely an intermediary stage between one thing and the current madness. There will be holdouts, swearing allegiance to the goddess Liberty, all things licentious claiming personal freedom, and carrying the ideological water for the masons, but ultimately it is not a final destination.
It's a movement that is a vehicle to destroy the moral fabric of peoples everywhere through the myth of liberty, as they have already destroyed the political fabric of Christendom (that is, the old world order) in the institution of secularism.
It's a religion unto itself, whose church is Pantheistic, salvation: indifferent, truth: relative, politics: licentiousness disguised in the flowery language of liberty.

> atomization
Don't use big words you don't understand. Just because one holds up the individuals sovereignty as supreme doesn't mean a trajectory of destroying community, capitalism has always bred cooperation and the same is necessary with property rights.

Fascist & collectivist ideologies are the ones that breed endless conflict, always necessitating an in-group & out-group just to maintain power for fuck sakes. Don't talk to me about atomizing when these two authoritarian shits in the US are splitting the country down 50 different lines of identity from race to gender & religion in a never ending criss cross until everybody is just a little cube on a checkerboard frantically trying to figure out who in their personal lives they're supposed to hate and which statistic group they're supposed to defend. Now that's atomization.

Godspeed. Must put my five little ones to bed.

> Classlical liberalism tends further left
> yet Libertarians are staunch anti-marxists always in bed with conservatives and now the alt-right
Really twiddles my diddle. Can you clarify for me please mate?

This is a culture war, but hey you don't think culture is relevant at all and neither is a people anyone can be replaced to make an extra dollar to you.

If Libertarians supported aristocratic feudalism they wouldn't intollerable faggots

Also
> christendom
Have you guys been following the words, imitating the deeds and understanding the message of Jesus Christ lately or are you still stuck in a 7th century Pope mindset of control and conflict? Deus Vult brothers, Jesus would be fuckin proud oh the hypocrisy, fucking spare us the ill-tuned melody.

Culture isn't irrelevant wtf do you think the NAP, indvidualism, self-ownership, natural rights & liberty are? Fancy analogies to dollar signs?

mirin my post numbers brah

See you think culture is policy.
Individualism is suicide in the face of an invasion of collectivists.

Culture isn't policy, the NAP, individual rights etc are all cultural arguments, that we want people to adopt. We want a culture that has a staunch belief and defence of freedom and peoples right to live their lives, this is a purely cultural aspect of what we ought to value. A culture of liberty, surely at least those parts are obvious?

White people have a culture of liberty, in the US it's called English common law.
I care about my people not getting the cheapest labor.

>one is a globalist ideology
>the other is not
>it's a very important distinction to understand

Libertarianism is a globalist ideology

> I care about my people not getting the cheapest labor.
Whysat?
Globalism =/= globalization
Connecting people around the world =/= centralizing power over a larger and larger area of the world

Because It would not make my life better to have my people be replaced by spics who work for cheap.

Well then we better stop artificially restricting the supply of employers then so we can bid wages back up like we did for 150 years, yeah? Glad we agree, good man. I hate when we have a downward pressure on wages for the first time in memory because of shit policy, I mean just look at how good Chinese manufacturing wages are going, tripled in 10 years. West needs to wake up.