Fascism was attempted in Italy (1922-1943), Germany (1933-1945), Portugal (1932-1974, Spain (1939-1975) and Austria (1934-1938) all countries had great economic growth and a better quality of life when they were fascist.
Does this mean Fascism is the most successful political ideology to date?
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>inb4 national socialism isn't fascism
yes. it is the anti-usury system. that is why (((they))) hate it
Define fascism
If they weren’t expansionist we would have genetically engineered super whites and colonies in space
>statism
>good
fascism is the virtually the same as communism, both are collectivist trash for brainlets
Anyone with an IQ over 120 is Ancap or Libertarian
Democracy has failed western civilization and it is high time for a new one. I think fascism was a move in the right direction.
Nope. Fascism is trash. Collectivism is trash in all forms.
>Thinks he has an IQ over 120
>Fascism is virtually the same as Communism
Evola argued that even Italian Fascism wasn't Fascism as it was never able to abandon the party which conceptually existed outside of the state
Rome and Ancient Greece were fascistic. Rome in space sounds great to me
Yeah, it's been pretty damn successful I'd say. Unfortunately in WW2 none of them were really on the same page, Italy needed time to industrialize but didn't want to get left behind while German rose in greatness, Franco needed time to recover from the civil war, Germany didn't want to wait while their citizens were being killed in Poland, and Japan while not fascist ended up not going to war with the USSR in the east. As a result Germany kind of had to carry the war on its own.
>if they weren't expansionist
>would have colonies in space
nigga what?
I fantasize about Germany stopping before Poland and keeping Czech and the sudentenland and being a fascist superstate. Kick out the Jews and focus on rocket science and selective breeding for a few generations
They believed that they wouldn't have enough resources to supply. I agree with you, however it would've been a matter of time until the Allies came knocking.
I don’t see how this isn’t clear. Starting a war against the entire world was pretty fucking stupid
Yeah, it would have been a tough decision, but ultimately if Hitler had stopped after Czech, Austria, and the Sudetenland and let the Poles keep Danzig then National Socialist Germany would likely still be around, and possibly fascist Italy and Francoist Spain as well. Who knows, maybe even Brazil and the UK would have turned fascist in the future?
No I meant, how could they have colonies in space while not being expansionist, you imperialist knuckledragger
>we still miss our general
When I talk to very old people who lived through the civil war, they say that with Franco they lived better, that they did not have to worry about being robbed by any black or Arab and that the boys did not do drugs and that women were not whores like now.
Old people that lived in formerly fascist nations always say this, whether it be Spain, Portugal, Italy or Germany, but I never hear anything about Austria.
any secular form of government that (((They))) Don't control or create.
To be fair Engelbert Dollfuss's reign was mostly focused on consolidating his control over Austria and then having to put down a Communist rebellion before he was assassinated by the Austrian Nazi Party. His brand of fascism was never really fully implemented.
>flag
Your definition of fascism is completely fucked from the start with how hippies and degenerate cunts misused the word.
Germanys growth was literally a sham funded by mefo bills and a high spending keynesian style economy which would have come to a crashing halt once the mefo bills scam got discovered
Franco's economy did very poorly until it was liberalized and THEN it kicked off
To pretend Italy and Austria's economic growth was "remarkable" is questionable at best
Ok anything else??
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Portugal
huh?
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK
It really was. You can have idiots and kikes here wanting to say the opposite, but truth is Fascism is the best ideology for any sovereign nation, which is why (((they))) don't want us to think that and brainwash up to think fascism=oppression.
I will 100% argue with you right now and say that voluntary collectivism is the only solution to an individual seeking to maximally express their will in a world where limitations of ones mightiness prevents them from doing so
this
imagine a sports game where one team plays as individuals and the other acts as a collective.
Who wins nigger?
Being individualistic is great if we didint live in a world of thieving niggers, but sorry to break this to you we do.
don't know enough about them to comment
I feel rather confident though I will reach a similar conclusion if I did look into it
Lol.
No they didn't.
Italy and Germany/vassals got occupied by foreign powers. Germany got divided up by foreign powers.
Consumer spending didn't even budge in Nazi Germany for most items, in fact it went down.
All the fascists did was borrow as much as possible, and create make work programs that were unsustainable, hence the need to start a war. They required slave labour to facilitate growth for their disastrous labour-based currency, and they needed forced market access, and they needed free resources.
The fascists attempt to attain what was needed to keep their pyramid scheme going resulted in their utter destruction.
Fascism objectively failed. This might hurt your feelings, but reality isn't based upon your emotions. It's a fact that the "Thousand year Reich" didn't even make it 15 years.
And lumping in Spain with Fascist Italy and Germany just shows that you haven't even TRIED to learn anything at all about any of nations that you mentioned.
>anti-usury
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Germany barely even budged interest rates during the Nazi regime, let alone dismantling usury. You have no idea what you're talking about, none at all.
You kids are so eager to rebel that you only expose yourself to simplistic propaganda, and nothing else, the idea of honestly researching a topic doesn't even occur to you. It's hilarious.
If you ever try to regurgitate the rhetoric you've adopted in the real world in the presence of somebody who has spent even a small amount of time earnestly learning about how the fascists actually operated, you will get absolutely bodied.
okay retard, but most people don't have an iq of 120 so what happens to libertarian or ancap societies in that case?
I've literally never meet an old guy who thought life with franco was better.
Are you from madrid?
Human beings are social creatures. We are a collective by nature. People were never solitary, we were tribal, we naturally formed and followed hierarchical structures of power and order. Government is a natural extension of this.
Stop regurgitating meaningless autism phrases you learned from pedophiles.
150 iq fascist
Salazar saved Portugal
from what I've read this seems to be a set of very level headed policies with national interests in mind that happened to coincide with the developing and modernization of Portugal's economy in general
I would label his policies more along the lines of not genius but certainly not foolish
I wont really complain about this but I wont jerk it off either
>No they didn't
If you are familiar with the nordic countries, you are probably aware that both employers and (most) employees are organized within large trade unions (LO and NHO). All negotiation and cooperation between these unions is arranged and organized by representatives of the state. fascists pioneered the same policy of "class cooperation"
Also Per Albin Hansson, Swedens PM in the 30's and 40's is an interesting person in this comparison:
"Prime Minister between 1932 and 1946 and worked for the establishment of “Folkhemmet,” the People’s Home, as the Swedish welfare state model became known as. Hansson was a dear pen pal with Italy's Fascist leader Mussolini and praised the corporate, Fascist system where the entire economy and each individual were intimately tied to and subordinate to the state. Hansson was positively disposed to Fascism and saw his welfare state as a related concept."
>To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Anarchocapitalism. The society is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of nonaggressional principles most of the politics will go over a typical voter’s head. There’s also an AnCap's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into their character- their personal philosophy draws heavily from George Miller and Byron Kennedy literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the implications of an anarchist society, to realise that they’re not just moral- they can truly create a great and functioning LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Anarcho-Capitalism truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the principled argument of an AnCap’s existential catchphrase “Just pay an independent security force using one of your many arbitrary systems of currency or barter which may or may not work,” which itself is a cryptic reference to Howard’s American epic Fallout. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Stefan Molyneux’s genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them.
>And yes, by the way, i DO have a "Taxation is theft" tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It’s for the ladies’ eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they’re within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
>all countries had great economic growth
I thought that Sup Forums's position on the right right spectrum, like Evola etc, eschewed the preoccupation with dollars and the constant jabbering about muh economy and the bottom line.
I know I do. I'm sick of hearing about economics like it's something I should give a shit about. It has it's place, but when you're in front of a TV (rarely) and the the talking head's comments about the movie of the week is all about it's box office .. give me a fucking break. Not where I'm from.
Here's some info to get your noggins going.
Just before WW2 broke out, Brazil had the largest nazi party outside of Germany and was going to side with the Axis.
Until uncle Sam and his unending love for black dicks threatened us into doing otherwise.
We would've gone full fascist and the white elite class would've started a purge, Hitler's style.
Are you referring to the Brazilian Integralists?
>t. low IQ brainlet who doesn't understand Hitler simply created a fiat currency JUST LIKE WE USE TODAY
topkek
he didnt create a fiat currency
modern floating currencies get their value in long run as a reflection of the host nations economy and in the short run by the supply and demand for that currency
mefo bills were literally IOU's that they indefinitely put off paying and had no intention to pay back
it was a literal scam economy
No.
en.wikipedia.org
>Although most of the Teuto-Brazilians did not adhere to or sympathize with Hitler propaganda, Brazil had the largest section of the Nazi Party outside Germany.
Nowadays all we have are a few tens of thousands of neo-nazis who can't do shit because the ideology is banned.
good post. Far more important than shekels, is the preservation of your communities, your local cultures, your race and your nation's family, all of which support the other in the web that is advanced society
jewconomics is all a spook and you shouldnt autistically compare and contrast societal models based purely on what numbers on screens they produce between what years.
Ancap just isn't logically possible.
Anarchy is the original state of people. It turned into organized government literally everywhere in the world for a reason. One person or one group of people is going to gain power in some way, and that leads to some form of government or another.
Everyone would be miserable in Ancap and fear for their lives since there's no telling when someone might betray for any reason at all.
Yes OP, Fascism is the best. You literally can not beat a fascist in debate. I btfo everyone. Its also a very noble idealogy that only arrises when the marxists have gone too far
>secular
The only fascist party that is worth knowing and never had a chance to get in power was the Iron Guard and its legendary leader captain Condreanu.
Huh, that's a weird way of saying British Union of Fascists and his majesty, Sir Oswald Mosley.
>article blames german immigrants because of Nazism in Brasil
>you are not allowed to blame muslim immigrants on radical Islam in the West.
I am not familiar with Oswald, but from little I saw he seemed more like a LARPer.
Iron Guard was unique as their basic group were not workers or veterans but University students.
Kek
Shhh. Just let us die in peace alongside South Africa.
> Salazar
Not a Fascist
> Franco
Supported by Fascist groups, but not an actual Fascist.
And they were all destroyed. Would have in the end since fascism is the last step before communism.
For fucks sake people, we're not globalist, every fascist is a good fascist as long as he supports his own people.
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Not real fascism
>fascism is the last step before communism.
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Roark wouldn't be shitposting, he'd be working. You're a wannabe try hard faggot who could never make it as a creative. You should seriously consider joining a collective where you might be permitted to contribute, instead of just being a flag waver for an ideology within which you could never hope to achieve any prominence.
>fascism is the last step before communism.
>Anarchy is the original state of people. It turned into organized government literally everywhere in the world for a reason. One person or one group of people is going to gain power in some way, and that leads to some form of government or another.
People organize to better protect themselves from threats. Usually other people. The king was ostensibly a member of the warrior class in virtually every society for most of human history; the king protected you and yours in exchange for a portion of your bounty.
Exactly.
That is a system of organizing society based on a contract. In the end, the king still had power over a group of people and there needed to be some form of enforcement to ensure some sort of order.
In other words, a government.
>To pretend Italy and Austria's economic growth was "remarkable" is questionable at best
HE MADE THE TRAINS RUN ON TIME
fascism is not communism. it can be, but fascism is just a gateway to whatever. you can do whatever you want with your slaves
germany carrying ww2 like germans carry me on r6s today
Preach. Fascism is a conception of life not a materialistic economic doctrine like Capitalism and Communism. This is why Fascism is referred to as the radical center, taking what what works best from both left and right.
It's objectively the best system yes.
But it takes the international jew bankers profits and as such will always be boycotted and fought against.
Check out "Cultured Thug" he has the best Youtube channel on Fascism.
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The eternal leaf
>be me
>want to build a nice house on MY land
(((democratic state)))
>have to fill out 60+ forms and permits
>discover an "endangered species" on my land, can't build shit, land now worthless, government wont pay me for lost value
>sell land to a Jew and he gets "variance" because of "muh connections"
>Jew builds giant house makes 10 million profit
(((fascist state)))
>I want to build a house on my land
>Then build a fucking house on your land. Don't make an unsafe house or we will hang you.
>Sounds good to me
>if Hitler had stopped after Czech, Austria, and the Sudetenland and let the Poles keep Danzig then National Socialist Germany would likely still be around
You're completely ignoring the Soviets who were expanding. They had already attempted to invade Europe once (Poland stopped them) and were about to do so again before Hitler beat them to the punch.
Had the war not started in 1939 it is likely Britain would have turned fascist under Mosley, and possibly the US as well in the late 40s.
Wasn't Italy basically a 3rd world country when they were ruled by Mussolini?
Blood & Soil.
Just wait for "The Great Culling", when we unleash weaponized nanotech, bitch.
If the USSR did end up invading eastern Europe while Hitler remain neutral or allied with the Poles that likely would have given Mosley are large popularity boost in the UK. But then again, the Germans might end up fighting the Soviets on their own territory if that happened.
nationalism is the most successful political ideology to date. the rest is just details
>Americans have best quality of life ever if you ignore niggers
Nope it's capitalism.
Why do people still fall for this meme?
>All if that white space and wasted lines
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Eks dee
How Was life under Fascist Spain? I never hear anyone say anything about it.
Das my goy
>collectivism is bad
>my evidence is my made up iq
wow im convinced
Spain and Portugal grew mainly due to german and italian support. Germany and Austria grew even quicker after WW2, and anyways, you can't compare germany with any other country - our engineers invented almost every technology in use today (Cars, Planes, Rockets, Computers etc.), so our starting position is simply way to different.
As for Italy, I'm not entirely sure why they grew that quickly, but there's probably some reason other than fascism as well.
I wish I could unlearn this.
Yeah but your ancestors didn't make anything, they immigrated from turkey.
Fascism, in its raw ideology, is simply forming a stronger force together. You don't have to get all communist. Communism is just everyone gets everything anyone else gets. Fascism is everyone moving together to reach a goal. can be collective, but it doesn't need to be. The leading government might be viewed as the guide to get everyone to that goal. It is much more practical than Communism because it moves people forward rather than ripping them all down to the same equal level. Mao showed that communism was shitty for the exceptionally skilled. Fascism would use the exceptionally skilled instead. For example, the Nazis made sure the best got the best in order to offer bigger leaps toward the end goal. Fascism will probably leave the unwilling behind, or use them against their will. so slavery. But the general idea is about using each other to improve one's self and the general image of society based on how strong you can get from comparing good ideas and deciding how to do the best one. there is no procrastination, there is action. Hence Hitler got shit done. Although i don't like using the national socialists as examples of fascists, they are the most successful ones even if they failed. Fascists are not evil, the goals of any man can be either evil or good, fascism just gets you the results you desire.
I'm sorry huemonkey I'll send you some sopa reparations
Didn't Franco's son/successor have an option to continue his fascist regime but chose not to? I don't get why he didn't. Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding what happened after franco.
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Monarchy is the most successful system of government in history, by far. But yeah, fascism is great too. Unfortunately the Jews don't like it, so we can't have it.
What do you think about the Black Shirt party compared to the American Nazi Party since commander Rockwell died?
National Socialism was not fascism, it was nationalistic socialism, ie right wing style socialism.
It has been the only socialism that was successful it seems.
Spain had great development because it was in such incredibly poor conditions until the 50s, then daddy USA came with economical and industrial help.
You must come from the regions that acquired all the wealth you immense faggot.
Fascism would only ever work as a temporary solution to a problem. Do you guys even understand what a dictators did for Rome. Fix shit, then retire and hand power back to civil authority.