What Sup Forums think of the Meditations of marcus aurelius?

Is it worth reading this or is a meme?

Be careful. The guy's son turned out to be a real sperg.

Commies like it

He persecuted Christians

I love it. It's like a mini Bible.

The founding fathers of Stoicism denied free will

Because he saw as them as a threat to order, not because he disagreed with them.

Had nothing to do with following his fathers philosophy.

You didnt read it. GO READ ITSATANIST

Stoicism isn't one thing, not all of them were hard determinists.
Anyway, scientifically, free will doesn't exist, you dumb christmutt.

It's a good book for thinking over. Not something to read in large chunks, but in pieces. You might not find all of it agreeable, it is a mans journal after all, but it is full of timeless wisdom.

It's a good book and not very long.
I have a philosophy degree and it always astounds me that people avoid reading philosophy. The Hellenic Greeks ought to be taught in middle school. Everyone should know at least the basics of rational thought. Aurelius is a good introduction, at least, to not letting your emotions control all of your actions. Though as far as I'm concerned, Epictetus wrote the better stoic manual.

>this pic
Shitstkin guaranteed from Cuckeurope

>He persecuted Christians
Good. Christcucks led to the destruction of Rome, just like they've led to the destruction of the West.

>forgetting what happened to the other half of the Roman Empire

>if it wasn't for Catholics Eastern Rome would still be alive today

Man, I hate Catholics so much.

>scientifically free-will doesnt exist
Nigger what the fuck. Determinism doesnt hold up at the quantum level

And yes you should read it. Make sure you meditate reguarly throughtout reading it. This book is compact but full of information. Its like one big koan

This, 100x this. Meditations is good but you need to read one of the other Stoics who took a structured approach to writing about Stoicism. Aurelius wrote a journal of his thoughts, not a manual to the philosophy

Its well worth reading and it is relatively short. Dont listen to people who try to discredit the work on the basis of the person writing - such people find any excuse not to read. Stoicism in general is a tidy philosophy, which may help people who need a sense of order in their life; however, after reading other works (particularly phenomenology and existentialism), I would critique stoicism's duality between (self) and (world).

Cliffs: worth reading.

I'm reading it now. I'd say go for it. I feel like stoicism is one of the more redpilled philosophical systems.

I'm very ambivalent on stoicism as a whole. On one side, I think it's a philosophy that will lead to happiness with reasonable success. On the other hand, and this might possibly be because I'm not well read enough in it, it's too lenient - or maybe even encouraging with - apathy.
I'm reading Seneca right now; On Anger, he says that it's better not to act on your anger in the heat of it, and maybe not at all - one of the reasons being that the injury that angered you was an isolated event, and feeding the anger will keep repeating an injury, and why the hell would you do that? It's a sound way of thinking, and yet it seems... weak. It's the same blame I see in the eastern counterpart that is Buddhism. It lacks... power.

I still have a very shallow comprehension of it, but next I want to go into Nietzsche. I think his concept of Will to Power might be an interesting counterpoint to the stoa.

He was a filthy towel wearing italonigger who killed people viciously on a whim and wrote some wise sounding shit down afterwards. Everyone in Rome was a piece of shit. Humans are vicious piece of shit animals.

same kind of person who wouldnt read:
- Heidegger because he's a "nazi"
- Hegel because Marx butchered his work
- Classics because they're pedos
- Aquinas because he incorporated Aristotle into traditionally platonic Christianity
- Nietzsche because he was an "atheist"
etc...

Read philosophy often... society tends to lag behind famous philosophical thought for about 100ish years. This is why "post-modernism" is currently the bees knees. Issue is that the shitty interpretation of post-modernism is used as a means of justifying retarded social justice (an ethical framework). Post-modern philosophy does not have much to say on the side of ethics - its hard for a cogent theory of ethics to arise from "imported meaning upon objects". New philosophy is scant, and most of it is feminist shit that no longer follows the tradition. Nietzsche's often quoted line should be revised to read:
>philosophy is dead.

That was 300 years before their their downfall

Oh no.. not the followers of "the King of the Jews"

>Determinism doesnt hold up at the quantum level
>quantum level
So dice rolling. Even worse.

That's nothing to do with passivity, it's basic emotional alchemy. You refine the raw anger into a state of motivating focus. Untempered anger gets men killed quick.

Just started reading it, not too far in. Was not initially impressed but discussion on the Gods and the length of a lifetime meaning nothing is getting interesting.

determinism is the most intellectually lazy ideology.

>muh everything is predetermined because no one can refute that everything is predetermined.

Even if determinism is true, then who the fuck cares. You are unable to detect the invisible hand. practically speaking it is best to work from your perception prior to pontificating bullshit about the man's existence...

fucking masterpiece

it never ceases to impress me that he wrote it while on a campaign against barbars in germania

Wrong. Nietzche is just one long Linkin park song in book format. Stoicism is COMMUNISM. Aristotle was not a proto communist neither was Heidegger. Nazism and Catholicsm are a part of each other but Communism is at odds with Christian doctrine. You must analyze each worldview individually unlike what you have done,.

The Dialectic of Hegel is overatted and misused by Marx, Hegels dialectic is for deism not taditional catholic Theism

I wouldn't say that stoicism encourages apathy, it's more about using moderation in everything. Marcus said something like "if you enjoy something, do it." I think it promotes removing emotion from guiding your decision making process and using logic and reason instead.

Thanks for the heads up

at no point did stoics in greece or rome advocate for collectivist societies

those came from semites in judea

Stoicism is the meme "philosophy" for brainlets who need vacuous "inspirational" quotes to put on their smartphone wallpapers.
Nothing but slightly-updated, less-expensive Sophism.

CHRISTIANS TO THE LIONS

no, he was a fuckboy living through the best times in roman history as a sickly aristocratic lawyer

meditations is a bunch of bland mediocre feel-good nonsense. something bill clinton or any other politician might write before an election.

>wow this guy was so good at something he was trained from birth to be good at, wow, amazing who could have predicted

>it's basic emotional alchemy.
It's the gist I get of it, and one I like. Yet I can't detract something apathetic from (On Anger, Seneca): " ...Why are you angry with your slave, with your master, with your patron, with your client? Endure a little: look, death is coming to make you equals. We are accustomed to see in the morning shows of the arena a fight between a bull and a bear that are tied together. When they have savaged one another, their appointed killer waits for them: closely to us, although the end, all too swift, hangs over winner and loser alike...".
I understand the goals are quite different from a nihilist view of "hey, don't bother, it all doesn't matter", but it doesn't drift too far from it, at least in discourse, that it doesn't stink a little.


>muh everything is predetermined because no one can refute that everything is predetermined.
Way to have the shallowest, equivocal understanding of it possible. Determinism is just saying that the universe works through "input -> output" operations, and the only reason we can't predict everything right now is because we don't have the knowledge or the tools.
>Even if determinism is true, then who the fuck cares.
Well, there I agree. I'm a determinist, and yet it changes nothing in how I think and behave. However, I'm well aware that when I act it isn't out of "free will", even though that's the illusion I might have. Being unable to detect the invisible hand doesn't mean it's not there. If you think it believing in it means you ought to give yourself to this invisible hand then you're just looking for excuses to not act.

>Nietzche is just one long Linkin park song in book format.
wat

did you even understand what I wrote. Nothing about my post implies any of the shit you said. Not going to go to internet war about various philosophers - You are entitled to view the works as you will because (presumably) you have read the works. All my post was suggesting was that OP should disregard shit talkers and read and understand the philosophy and its significance. I absolutely agree that you should analyze each individually.... in fact....
>Stoicism is COMMUNISM. Aristotle was not a proto communist neither was Heidegger. Nazism and Catholicsm are a part of each other but Communism is at odds with Christian doctrine.
... it sound like you are the one who has to force connections. That being said, you are delusional if you don't see the value in reading the wide swath of philosophies. Without a good foundation, you will be unable to understand the full importance and affect of past works on future works...

cliffs: (you)r a fucking projecting retard, who cannot understand a Sup Forums post, let alone a philosophical work....

I have proof. YOU DONT. As shown above, not only that. Stoicism was a Corpratist Mentatily, the World in stoicism is LITERALY GOD. It was callled "The Divine Machine" and you were not an indiviual in it. YOU were a COG IN THE MACHINE.

This is just shitposting and I don't have time for this you did not read philosphy. You watched goytrube videos go home

>Was not initially impressed but discussion on the Gods and the length of a lifetime meaning nothing is getting interesting.
If the latter interests you, you might like to read Seneca's "On Providence". It's very short and brushes a bit on the subject of shortness of live (brought by misfortune) and such.

>gets called out
>just shitposting
no, nigger

But Christians are a threat to order precisely because they disagree with traditional hierarchy. Most clearly seen in their objections to the traditional belief of the king being the embodiment of a god. Read evola nigger.

Nice gets but I'm white and You cannot refute me. You are just denying. Denying evidence is not evidence against.

pretty much this.
>Emperor/King is the sovereign, holds supreme power
>hey wait guys there's a sovereign OF the sovereign called God and he's really calling the shots, Emperor is a pussy imposter
no fucking surprise they were fed to the lions

It's a good book.

>I wouldn't say that stoicism encourages apathy ... it promotes removing emotion from guiding your decision making process and using logic and reason instead.
It's certainly what it sets itself out to advocate. There's this quote on Meditations that goes “Is your cucumber bitter? Throw it away. Are there briars in your path? Turn aside. That is enough.”
I understand the analogy perfectly well, what I question is (using the analogy) why, instead of turning aside from the briars, you wouldn't remove them - if you so can? The only answer I can conceive is the old "know to pick your battles, there are some briars you can't remove, etc". Which is then fine, but I think is somewhat shallow.

Are you Jewish? See this is the problem with this goddamn forum. It's a bunch of us Jews and you Shabbos Goy wannabe Jews. You've done this since the start. WE TOLD YOU JESUS WAS A FUCK HEAD. WE KICKED HIM OUT. YOU FUCKING BELIEVED HIM. The Jews didn't believe him. Everytime we create some philosophy, you FUCK HEADS have to culturally appropriate it. Stoicism is ours. Monotheism is ours. Fuck off back to your barbarian caves. Bet you goys love getting prostate massages and fucking squirrels you little aristotle pieces of shit.


Plato=Eastern Orthodox Church, Greeks, Slavs.
Aristotle=Western Church, Latins, Germanics

The "west" viewed aristotle as "science" and "plato" as a representation of "god". Communism adopted the Platonist concepts because of where their theological tradition came from. The west did the same with Aristotle.

The alternative is Stoicism, a tradition not based around fucking 13 year old boys to "raise" them to be adults, not based around consuming drugs like Socrates, Aristotle, and Plato, all whom partook in the sex-drug hollywood-esque depravity of the Eleusinian Mysteries. A tradition that says you are a rational slave, attempting to master your internal instincts and desires. Not giving in to your disgusting barbarian habits like proto-male warriors incapable of sitting and reading a book for hours on end, writing, learning in front of their computer.

Whatever these cucks says, European history is a history of how Stoic, Semitic, Jewish philosophy systematically annihilated the infinitely inferior Socratic, Greek, Goyish philosophies.

You fuck heads don't think god exists anymore XDDD You literally came up with A-Theism because you realized our book says "God only cares about the Jews" and fucked up not letting our women rape you and force you into having Jewish babies like the new-cucks you are.

Well, you are here now whether you like it or not. Stoic revival or the west is dead m8.

>Being unable to detect the invisible hand doesn't mean it's not there. If you think it believing in it means you ought to give yourself to this invisible hand then you're just looking for excuses to not act.

Excuses not to act? Taking determinism as the standard, I imagine that the illusion of free is the motivating force (at least for most people). I'll admit that my shitposting tone was insincere. Determinism may be correct, but I do not see the value in it on a practical "on-the-grounds" level. There innumerable things that we as humans cannot perceive/understandings that our tied to our perception. My only concern is skipping the ground work to the determinism conclusion.

That being said, you got any book recommendations?

I enjoyed this short story. Great turn in the third act.

I agree that the gist of those quotes is "pick your battles." You're not gonna make the cucumber any sweeter and if you're just trying to get from point A to point B there's no point in removing the briars. You're not abandoning your journey because of the briars, you're just going around. I think there's a difference between apathy and adapting to conditions you can't change or aren't worth changing. Stoicism is about meeting life's challenges and dealing with them with logic and reason.

I was just asking

Traditional Hierarchy is THE PROBLEM you fuck face. Why the FUCK would man ever be subservient to man? Fuck out of here with your autocratic fascist tendencies. I'll stick with man as being a slave to god. Whether you like it or not, you still are subserviant to God, so why add an ADDITIONAL layer of legality to your life? It's ideological centralization.

We know man does more poor the more laws put upon him. So in addition to the laws of god, you posit "the law of man" which is not eternal, changing, and finite.

Remind me how Atheism got popular in the modern era again? Was it because christian theology just did such a poor job at defending it's stand points? Because it's infinitely philosophically more sound to believe in god than believe in not god but still follow his law.....

The Torah says God judges everyone, even the goyim. You still have to abide by physics. You still have to use the properties of chemistry. You are forever a slave to him, whether you acknowledge it or not.

Poor definitional accuracy is the real reason Europe collapsed. The Germans came by and just made up bullshit definitions to everything, rather than using formal logic. Literally inveted words because their shitty langauge thought that's something you can do. And that shaped modern philosophy irrevocably.

If you define god as the TORAH defines it, as PHILOSOPHERS define it, not as "Jesus and Early Christian theologians who rejected the Jewish concept of god" did.

This is how i feel about it. Its more for self improvement than political commentary.

>absence of evidence is evidence of absence
herp the derp there user, i read half and stopped because its garbage and the formatting is shit

this is well over a thousand years before the concepts of individualism and communism

it was not the divine MACHINE it was the divine MACHINATION of which you were a lesser part of a greater whole, which is a very sensible manner of recognizing the world moves on with or without you

It was the good ol Jewish spin m8! Give em the classic "redpill" in the first 2 paragraphs, then finish by convincing them out their own self induced nightmare that ultimately benefits my tribe over yours!

We jews are SO GOOD. I know.

Christians viciously attacked Roman pagan conservative values to promote socialism.

Most conservatives today would hate ancient Christians. They certainly weren't capitalists.

Stoicism is one of the steps to transcending the world. If you walk the path, remember to never get rid of desire, but to control it or "freeze the waters." Otherwise you will end up spiritually lobotomized like a Buddhist who has reached Nirvana.

>I'm white and You cannot refute me
>denying evidence is not evidence against

at what point have you posted any evidence?

>you did not read philosphy.

I do/did read philos[o]phy, in fact I received high honors in philosophy prior to becoming a lawyer.

>You watched goytrube videos go home

The more you post the more clear it becomes. My guess: (You) watched a bunch of "philosophy" videos on youtube, then pretend to have some enlightened birdseye view of the philosophical/historical development. When you get caught in a situation where you want to show your intellectual clout, you regurgitate nonsensical interpretations and then defend them by projecting your own intellectual inferiority.

gtfo

>Determinism may be correct, but I do not see the value in it on a practical "on-the-grounds" level.
Ah, same. I think it is correct, but it has no applicability. Same as the concept of free will, though. Neither are excuses to not-act or to act as a shithead, same as neither should make you excuse actions or inaction in others. Frankly? I think the whole argument is kind of moot. If neither viewpoint changes (or posits itself to) the way you should behave, then why bother with it at all?

>There innumerable things that we as humans cannot perceive/understandings that our tied to our perception.
Of course. We have no other tools to experience the universe but our perceptions and logic, though, so we have to make do with them.

>That being said, you got any book recommendations?
On the determinism subject? Unfortunately, no.

>I think there's a difference between apathy and adapting to conditions you can't change or aren't worth changing.
The latter being, I think, the most important lesson stoics try to teach us. As a saying goes, "What has no solution is already solved."
I think that maybe my frustration with stoicism isn't so much from the perceived apathy, but from the (inherent) difficulty in identifying the thing you can/are worth changing.

Christians are Reform Jews. AKA, Liberal Jews. Orthodox Judaism is literally conservative Judaism. "Modern" reform Judaism is just the New Jesus movement, and will eventually splinter off and consume the planet in a new Jewish ideological basis, like Christianity once did.


Us Jews knew this from the start. You Pagans got tricked by our Jewish rhetoric. We're good, I'll give you that. Marx is convincing too if you are uneducated like you european barbarians.

Very good point. All too often non Autistic individuals misinterpret the autism of stoic non-emotion to mean "kill off emotion so it never ocurs".

I personally have always fancied a much better Stoic view of emotion, which is to say that emotion tells you when to act, but never how!

>He persecuted Christians
Too bad he didn't kill them all.

I think you might enjoy reading "phenomenology of perception" by Merleau-ponty. Very good description of perception, habit, and meaning. Its useful for understanding relation between perception and meaning.

>Be careful. The guy's son turned out to be a real sperg.
He saved the Republic during a time of like 80% of Romans dead from plauges

I'll check it out. Thanks for the recommendation lad.

>the Republic
>Commodus

>. Nietzche is just one long Linkin park song in book format. Stoicism is COMMUNISM
JESUS KIKE
Rabbi worship melts your brain

I like how Cicero sums it up: "Reason exists to control emotion." Emotions are important because they are one of the only things we can control. Epictetus says something along the lines of "We cannot control the world, but we can control how we react to it." I think they would agree that mastery in the body comes from overcoming it.

>Commodus
His enemies killed him and took over. You expected good PR after that?

>using reddit spacing to advocate a superstitious jewish cult as a superior system
figures

>(inherent) difficulty in identifying
Good point, I can't think a way to rectify that flaw. I suppose stoicism would teach you to analyze the problem before acting. I don't see it as a problem with the philosophy as a whole, nor do I see a problem picking and choosing various tenants of different philosophies and tailoring yourself a personal system if there's gaps you want to fill.

Too bad he didn't go after the real enemy: The Jews

>discrediting commodus because he was a god king
>not discrediting Cyrus, Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne for the same thing

What a testimate to the absolute greatness of the stoics. How fine were they that the ENTIRE roman culture was influenced by their viewpoints on god and man? The entirety of the roman people we're awoken to that reality.

The only reason we view Commodus as a "tyrant" is because Rome, unlike Marcedonia, Persia, etc was overly rational, and stoic. Thus enlightened to their own perpetual slavery to reality, like modern society is clinically depressed. Rome was identical. Because of that both societies view Commodus and Trump as Tyrants, when in reality they are affirming the values that allow us to view them as Tyrants in the first place.


Get cucked anti-Commodus historical revisionists.

>Not being part of the tribe
>Not believing in God
>Literally the thing your people are getting cucked for in the modern day.

Ask me again who took their country back from the muzzies. That's right. Not any of you.

Typical Liberal. Constantly believing in idealism, and Platonic utopia. Our philosophy has consistently proven itself as being superior to every single philosophy on earth. Come back when that isn't true after literally 12,000 years.

Are you a sperg? He was a genius for that. When you attack and kill the Jews, what happens to your empire? OH THATS RIGHT IT FALLS APART. Babylon, Egypt, Greece, Rome. Muzzies until they started to give us shit. Look where they are now too.

He attacked the Christians because Christianity was a Jewish incursion onto Non-Jews. Judaism IS NOT APPLICABLE TO NON JEWS. Christianity was "applicable Judaism". It was, and ended up being, the final nail in the coffin for Rome and Western Europe.
Keep yapping your fat mouth little shabbos goy.

>worshiping a Rabbi for 700yrs
>destroys a race grew for 30,000 yrs
>can't figure it out
>wants to marry a spic because she goes to church

>Ask me again who took their country back from the muzzies. That's right. Not any of you.
Muzzies were created by Christians you fucking shill/ Ask me why Jesus is in the Koran

>Platonic
>Stoic
pick one you fucking Jew worshiping Christcuck retard

An American scientist, whose name I forgot, found out in the 70's that our subconscious part of the brain decides we will do X 350 milliseconds before the conscious part is aware of it. So the subconscious part of your brain forged by past experience and environmental stimulus decides, therefore stripping you of free will. I overcame this by flipping a coin whenever I have to make a decision on which I lack information as buying X or Y brand for example, this way my subconscious can't trick me since it doesn't know the decision up until the coin is revealed. It's not much but at least this way I'm sure some of my decisions aren't based on subliminal add campaigns but randomly (at least at my level of comprehension, surely a coin will flip on one side with 100% chance given the spin, position, air composition, winds etc only I don't have those variables and can't predict them , even unconsciously). It's a small thing but at least (((they))) will not dictate my choices by subliminal messages this way.

Christianity with it's "turn the other cheek" mentality of tolerance and kike worshiping is the root of much of the West's problems today. What country did the christcucks take back from the mooselimbs? The holy land? Just to loose it to the Ottomans and then give it back to the kikes. I still have never had a christfag adequately explain how it is acceptable that their religion is a offshoot of jusdaism and how it is OK to worship a kike. I suppose they're too busy making "refugees welcome" signs and donating to AIPAC.

Whether or not you ultimately agree with it, Meditations is a work that's absolutely worth reading.

>Constantly believing in idealism, and Platonic utopia

I dont know what you think you mean by platonic utopia... but it certainly is not a "liberal" idea

NO TALKING ABOUT PHILOSOSPHY!

IT'S TO TRADITIONAL AND WHITE!

YOU MUST WORSHIP THE RABBI GOD!

BOW TO THE JEW MEMES!

>I have come not to bring peace, but a sword.

Looks like the Risen Messiah, He who walked on water and rose from the dead, was right. This pointless back and forth arguing is fun to watch!

Christians are Liberal Jews and Muzzies are just Conservative Jew you hyper cuck. Literally, it's just that you goyim are so mentally challenged you are only capable of polarizing yourselfs along retarded ideological grounds that have their basis in Jewish thought (Stoicism, Christianity, Islam, Marxism/Socialism, Monotheism, etc).

If your average IQs were above I don't know, 75, like 5 points away from the niggers, maybe you could GRASP rational, logical thought,. But you can't, so you just default to polar extremes of Facism VS Communism, Liberalism VS Conservatism, Aristotelians VS Platonists, etc. Your entire group identity is formed along the lines of attempting to validate your collective emotional states, rather than mastering them.

>Pick One
No cuck, I'm a Jew. Like my very first post, Jews are the only ones that can be Jews. I will not trust your loyalty until we are bound by blood, as should be. You cannot enter my religion and I cannot leave mine. The question for you is which shitty offshoot of Jewish thought are you gonna follow? Cause that's all you have.

Raceless proletarians made as much sense back then as it does today.

0 or 1, it's one of those things.

Read my post above this one.

The "pointless bickering" aka cyclical hyper polarization of the goyim, is the thing that separates Jews from Non Jews. Our collective group awoke, but not that nigger shit, but the thing the niggers took "woke" from in the first place. We literally just look at you all like fucking animals. Fighting each other like the low IQ babies you are on average.

How does it feel to be part of a tribe whose fathers were such cucks, that your sisters, wives, brothers are all retarded? I bet you wish you were part of a group of people who collectively are all intelligent, and not walking robots with no free will.

I am a part of no tribe, nor do I desire to be a part of any group. I seek only on discovering myself, my soul, and transmuting it from iron into the royal gold. I do not worship Christ, but rather I see him as an example to live like. The world and its inhabitants mean nothing to me.

Strength in numbers. Your legacy is not individual, legacy can only be formed as part of the collective. You either abate the collective will, or you individual existence is meaningless.

This is what happens when you guys don't have god. You think the individual matters, because you think life is about "you vs other people". No. It's about "you vs god" and you always lose to god. Always.

Honestly, this isn't even that esoteric. Maybe I'm different than other american Jews because I have spent immense hours discussing with high level orthodox yeshiva rabbis about theology, but this shit is quite simple. It's not some OOO BOOGIE MAN IN THE SKY nonsense you goys think.

Your life is meaningless without god, because that means you will never improve. It means you are trapped in mediocrity for eternity. You cannot become superior by taking part in the "Man vs Man" struggle. You can only improve by going beyond such trivial emotional validations.

Your own insistence on the "self" and "individuality" is a type of emotion. That's all instinct, and you have no learned to master the "self" because you don't view yourself as a slave to god.

You propose that it is instinctual to be part of a collective, but in reality, your NATURE tells you to be an individual. You are actively giving in to your emotional states. That's so ironic.

Until you accept yourself as a mere cog in the machine, you will be beholden to those emotional whims.

I never said that I did not believe in God. The Divine exist, that is a given fact. I recognize that I myself contain a part of the divine cosmos, so why should I not seek out on the path of discovering it? If humans are merely animals, then why we have knowledge of good and evil? If I contain a piece of the Pleroma, why then should a little piece of clay and a little dribble of water be of any use to me? I am not advocating going against a collective. I am simply saying that I belong to nobody but myself. I have no desire to leave a legacy because this world is only temporary. The fires of time will consume all save the immortal divine who exist beyond its reaches.

I would like to restate that you think I do not believe in God when you could not be further from the truth. The difference is that I recognize "God" as the Demiurge, the creator of this earthly prison. My fight is not against man or the "collective," but against the material world itself. Whether or not I am part of a group is meaningless in overcoming my physical form.

It's not a meme at all Marcus Aurelius was one of the best men who ever lived. You have to place him in his context of course, if you know nothing about Rome it might be hard to get much from him, but even then much of what he said was timeless in a sense.

>Christcucks led to the destruction of Rome
source?

>scientifically
They solved the mind body conundrum? Do tell oh enlightened master of brute empericism.

>Your life is meaningless without god, because that means you will never improve.

Lol

Its worth reading if you find yourself worth improving. I'm tired of trying to defend it to "modern" types who are turned off by the religious language at times, or who are afraid of being called out as responsible for their own poor condition.

Its a good book for making good men.

>no foreskin
>rabbi sucked blood out of cock when few days old
>pig tails in hair
>stupid hat
>towel on head
>big ugly nose
>YOU MAD GOYIM???
>BET YOU WISH YOU WERE LIKE MY TRIBE HUH!!??
kek

All ancient Greeks denied free will in favor of Fate and determinism - either ontological or materialistic, you uneducated amerimutt fuckwit.

I found it a real slog to get through. Basically just says "if it's out of your control, don't worry about it". A nice thought but easier said than done. Not worth spending hours plowing through dense prose imo. Short book but takes forever to read.

It's good to pick up now and then. I have it on my desk and read some of it when I find myself inclined to do so.

If you have proof, post it. Randomly capitalizing words isn't proof.