>LE ALLIES

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>le proxy flag

Why didn't hitler wait until Italy was ready? Things could have been so much different.

most of the casualties from the allies came from the Soviet Union

Bring the Axis back

Blame the Soviets for the high casualty numbers.

Also china

how exactly did that many people die on both sides?

90% of that is Stalin zerg rushing.

yes, germans very effective at killing civilians. worthless at everything else though

people die easier in times of war

too bad Stalin didn't have enough rifles to supply his troops

Didn't have much of an option when the USSR was preparing to invade.

Blame the Yanks. Germany had the war won.

t. Noobs

Is this bait? It clearly states that 80% of Allied casualties were civilians.

80% of all German soldiers killed in WWII, died on the Eastern Front. Also, vast majority of Soviet casualties were civilians.

the fuck is steve buscemi doing there?

NOT AN EXCUSE, CIVILIANS CAN FIGHT AS WELL

Probably, though I wouldn’t be surprised if it is just a dumb nigsoc

They did primarily fight in Russian territory. As soon as the battlefield became Germany, lots of civilians died too.
It is similar to how the Civilian casualties for the Americans are fairly low - because they didn't fight where American civilians lived..

Ask Italy why they attacked Greece when they wasn't even rddy or why the lose in north africa with vast supperior numbers.. Italy sucks at war.

Heil Hitler!

yea germany lost a lot of soldiers on eastern front,but the Soviet Union lost more.

thanks for the pic krautbro

Can we stop dickwaving around with this and just agree that it the war was a jewish plot to genocide white people and white culture and to taint our future?

Most are soviet massacres blamed on germans.

OK, since when was Yugoslav WWII theatre part of Western Front?

The Axis only had one hope, to take over as much of Europe as possible and use the resources to fortify and keep everyone else out of the continent, but at the end of the day they had 0% chance of winning.

There's no way they could have competed long term with the productive capabilities of Capitalist USA, even if they had managed to beat Russia.

>Japanese couldn't attack Russia and they didn't even have enough fuckin bullets for the war in the pacific.
>Spain would never have been able to offer any meaningful help.
> Italy was ruled by incompetence.
> The German war "machine" couldn't even get away from horse drawn carriages
> The US while having a fully mechanized support network could afford to literally swamp their enemy with as many bullets and shells as it would take to win while everyone else had to be conservative
Even if they got everyone they could to bum rush Russia from all angles they still lose WW2 yeah?

Germany also had the best fighter pilot aces in the history of military aviation, outscoring american aces by hundreds of aerial victories. How can amerimutts even compete?

The Allies includes the Holocaust and all the men that died in labor camps. It's inflated.

Daily reminder that the Amerimutts did fuck all in the war, and were cowards who only joined when the war was already won.

Perhaps it is defined by the participants. I know the UK invaded Turkey, it would speculate, that the western-allies fought in Yugoslavia.

Don't forget the Jews.

italy was dragged into the war by Hitler...

>slaughter civilians
>hehe we are the true winners of the war *gets hanged*

Yeah, it had nothing to do with the fact you declared war to the entire world for the second time in less than 30 years. Tooootally our fault.

>UK invaded Turkey
That was in WWI. Turkey was neutral in WWII.

Italy managed to avoid participating in the Invasion of Poland. Germany didn't drag them into it. It was the Italian's autism that spread the war into the Balkans

DON'T FORGET THE OVER 61 MILLION WHO DIED IN THE SHOAH

>over 60 million russian peasants and chinese farmers killed
oo good point bae, you really sticking it where it hurts!

Nazi puppet state

Many if not most of the "Russian civilian" deaths were Caucasus Muslims who Stalin had killed to prevent them from collaborating with the invading Germans.

They should be counted on the Axis side.

When the italians took the baltics (the brits helped the greeks) and then just as the brits were about to kick the italians into the sea, hitler sent eastern front troops down to get it back.

I assume as it was brit v italian and kraut is why it's counted

Allies were the side who declared war, not the Germans.

Krautanon was right, your country was rekt by the Greeks. Hitler was the one who warned you to stop, but you didn't listen.

>Didn't have much of an option when the USSR was preparing to invade.

The USSR asked like five times to join the Axis in the year leading up to Barbarossa. They caved to all German demands for their admission to the alliance and Hitler still sperged out and refused.

Balkans rather

Yep, Hitler was a literal retard. If he had just fucking maintained peace with Russia, he would have had time to conquer the UK.

>4 years before the war ended
>hurrrp it was already over huurrrp
Without Americans Japan would have had dominance over the Pacific, taking out China as a credible threat, and possibly forcing a peace treaty. Using the oil and resources of the East Indies, the Japanese could take advantage of the Soviets being distracted in Europe and quickly take out the Soviet Far East. Meanwhile, Italians and Germans get BTFO out of Africa, but the British still can't mount an invasion of Mainland Europe. Without Lend-Lease, Soviets are weaker, leading to Stalingrad and Moscow falling. Stalin dies in the chaos, and the Soviets collapse. The Germans march to Leningrad and destroy it, eliminating the last effective Soviet resistance/infrastructure. Now completely isolated, the British fight on, keeping the Axis out of Africa and slowly pushing back the Japanese out of Burma. After years of war, the Axis offers the British a deal : return of all colonies, a large cut of France's colonies, and no military/economic penalties. The tired British agree to this peace, and WW2 ends with an Axis Victory.

>allying with communists
horrible idea, unless you're proposing a temporary alliance that lasts until britain falls, then a swift backstab to kill off the russians too

He was always aware op. Sealion wouldn't work. He'd be doing his own Dday against a stronger navy for a start

Ally death are inflated by 6 million though

pretty sure ribbentrop had all sorts of ideas about a soviet invasion of british controlled middle east but molotov shot him down.

"Right youve gone into Austria, Czechoslovakia and want a bit of Poland, pack it in now"

"Nein i vant moar"

Invades

Yeah we totally started it

Hitler never could have accepted being completely dependent on resources he didn't control directly. War with russia was inevitable.

he had no fuel mate
he had no petrol
he had no juice
he had to it mate

It took every ounce of strength for the weak forces of democracy and communism to defeat the fascist third position. Imagine what we could achieve if we turned the United States into a fascist power. We'd be unstoppable as the worlds sole superpower.

> The boom boom man lost the great war Max
> He lacked Guzzolene
Pottery.

We were never good at war because of our inherent low industrial GDP. We had no coal-steel intensive industry because Italy has lacked those resources since the very beginning.
In WW2 this was a serious handicap.

He didn't say ally.
He said leave them the fuck alone.

Nothing can be gained from invading Russia.

Should've kept Italy as a benevolent neutral power like Finland and imported resources via Italy

don't be autistic, he simply said who declared war.

More poles than jews died during WW2.

>Nothing can be gained from invading Russia.
Except richest natural resources on Earth.

Mussolini was expecting the war to end in a few months when he declared war.
No preparations to invade Malta, not even any plans to march on Tunis
No railroad connecting Tripoli to Benghazi
Underdeveloped Libyan ports
Dependence on coal imports
Never even bothered recalling the merchant fleet and most of it was seized

You can't blame him. Everyone was expecting an armistice. he gambled and lost. it happens

Russia sending almost 11 million men to the grinder. Was Stalingrad really that important to hold?

Whatever helps you sleep at night, mongrel

>Italy
>Resources
Sorry bong, but we had no resources to trade with Germany. We had de facto a secondary power status.

>les alliés*
at least use the plural article

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I meant that you would be free to import resources from elsewhere as a neutral power, and then sell them on to Germany

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Everyone in the war admitted the Germans were the best soldiers the world had ever seen. Nobody denied it.

ill just leave this here

>There's no way they could have competed long term with the productive capabilities of Capitalist USA, even if they had managed to beat Russia
If they controlled all of Russia and the middle east, they would have fucked America easily.

that KD though

It would have been too obvious and Italy was already under Allied sanctions because the ethiopian war.
Strategic resources were used for building weapons and not much else, the rest was imported from germany.

Would've taken too long to build their industrial capabilities, taken too long to mechanize and their output still wouldn't have been able to compete. A few years is too short a time.

Maybe if they had taken over Russia early and then fought a war with the US in the 50s. The US was pumping out more than the rest of the world combined, a long hard pyrrhic victory in Russia wouldn't help that much.

Hitler only ever planned to try and barricade Europe in the hope it would win a costly peace, literally 0 chance they could have invaded the US.