Araragi doesn't really love Senjougahara, he just wants to help her be a normal girl again...

Araragi doesn't really love Senjougahara, he just wants to help her be a normal girl again. Who he truly is in love with is Hanekawa.

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Catfags keep getting more and more delusional every day.

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That's what happens when Nisio baits them hard with their interactions and making the love wtih crab be shallow for a good chunk of books until it's fixed

But he wouldn't pretend to love Hanakawa who he owes significantly more. He is pretty honest. Even admitting being a siscon and NBR siscon.

He's actually in love with Bat. How can anyone doubt this?

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ln spoilers

in the end araragi decides to dump crab and abandon his harem for the one and only true best girl that was always worth it since the very beginning

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>Araragi doesn't really love Senjougahara, he just wants to help her be a normal girl again. Who he truly is in love with is Hanekawa.

The other way around, dumbass.

He respects and owes a lot to Cat, he wants her to be happy, but there is no love. Araragi literally says that the only thing he feels for Hanekawa is lust. We've been over this already, you had three fucking arcs about Cat and you still don't fucking understand the plot. For your own good, I hope you are actually retarded.

> crab
> cat
He loves Bat. She is everything for him.

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He loves them all
So far he's kissed Crab, Bat, Doll, Snail and Imoutos.

When will he kiss Kanbaru?

why is this user so mad

He loves the girl who gave him the best beating. So Kagenui will win afterall.

I wanted nadeko to win.

it's just a cartoon dawg I mean damn

Cat > Vamp > Snail > Crab > Snake > Monkey > Phoenix > Bee > Doll > Spooky > Kagenui > Mamaragi > Math > Numachi > Gaen

Except he'll ACTUALLY get into a FWB situation with Monkey, eventually settling down with her

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he likes the two least likable

It's already been covered multiple time that Hanekawa is a kind of person that he just earnestly love romantically. Either stop sleeping through the show or stop watching it.

Read Kizu.

> he truly is in love with
Kissshot.

Which are?

I can get behind this.

20 years later and not single doujinshi of her.

The world is cruel and should be finished.

Too true, and it hurts.

I remember there was one.

It's just extremely elusive/

He is a faggot,Crab and Cat was have to ended together

Then you didn't understand Nadeko's character arc.

He doesn't know what "love" is, he's a horny teenager. Same as Gahara. They enjoy each other's company and then fucked because why not.

Koyomi & Kanbaru are extremely well-suited for each other
which means that they had no chance of getting together from the beginning, that's just how this shit works in anime

Yes, it was indeed Yozuru who fucked up Araragi the most.
Not the person who straight killed him.

Everyone knows he's going for the Gaen end if it's based on how fucked you got.

>tfw Araragi has been picked on by everyone in the Gaen bloodline.

>araragi doesn't love redditgahara
>more news at 9

>what's the meaning of this
What did Agagagi mean by this?

Gaen talks too much for anyone to bother getting an end with her.

>redditgahara
where did this meme start?

When crabfags got mad enough at it I guess

shinobu and gahara

He wants Kaiki who is best grill.

He's obviously confused about what he wants and his feelings towards those girls. I guess the novel series was designed as a sense of finding one self and the journey of self discovery of anythjng really. But it is hard to say who he has a thing for.

>Talks too much
>In a NisiO work

You can pick one or the other.

He doesnt love cat either, he just want those titties

It's hard to cares about crab after Kizu
>Crab is irrelevant in final volumes

Crab is irrelevant in every arc after her first one. That's just how the series is written.
Shit, even in Hitagi End, she's still only the third most important character after Kaiki and Nadeko.

Kiss-Shot is endgame. Araragi is still part Vampire and has some of his Vampire Powers with him including an extended Lifespan. Sooner or later Senjougahara and Hanekawa will get old and die, while he is still young and living. The only one that can truly understand him and give him the companionship he needs is Kiss-Shot.

He loves and idolizes whatever girl he is currently talking to or talking about, but he still tries to respect and maintain each of their roles in his life like girlfriend, sister, kouhai, best friend, childhood friend, personal loli.

he seems disinterested in nadeko's advances

But he cares a lot about Nadeko. Nadeko advances are also kind of indirect as she was more interested in her fantasy, and Araragi clearly isn't good at all at reading girls since he was a kid.

seems like you're just a contrarian nigger with shit taste

>VA: Satsuki Yukino
She can talk as much as she wants, her voice makes my dick diamonds.

>Who he truly is in love with is Hanekawa
user, are you an idiot?

>Nadeko advances are also kind of indirect
>dresses like a slut, tries to bait him into King's Game and ends up straddling his lap

It's hard to care about Crab after Mayoi Snail. After that arc was resolved Hachikuji basically took on the "fun banter partner" role Gahara had up to that point and frankly did it a lot better. From that point onwards every conversation anyone has with Gahara is some sort of variation of this one aspect of her character that Nisio beats you over the head with for some reason, that Gahara is amazing for living her life the way she does.

If Araragi wasn't a fag he'd be in love with all of the girls. Besides Snake

Snake is a good girl. You need to all settle down.

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Araragi is literally retarded when it comes to girls. She needs to go to him and confess everything in a very clear way to get a chance, and to be the first like Crab.

Hanekawa, Nadeko and Sodachi all made the mistake of being too indirect. And Kanbaru was direct but not honest and too late anyway.

the only thing araragi feels for nadeko is pity.

He does love them, he's just not giving them the Mararagi except Crab and Shinobu if you think about it
He love-loves Crab, he idolizes Cat, he loves his sisters, Bat is his soulmate, and Snail is his best and most trusted friend.

I was pretty sure Kanbaru just sees him as an invaluable bro that she can make flirty/lewd jokes and shit with for fun, some of the stuff she says in the commentary tracks indicates as such too.

Then you get which wasn't particularly flirty in the usual way at all, so now I dunno.

>the scene when she gets on his lap
wew

>Snake is a good gir
No, she really isn't.

His entire class thought he was dating Hanekawa because they spent literally every evening hanging. Even Hitagi did, and thought she was NTR'ing Hanekawa by asking him out. She admits that in Neko Shiro's epilogue.

See Tsubasa Cat's commentary, he is beyond retarded, it's close to a mental illness now, and Koi pretty much proved he has lots to learn about building a relationship in general, much less in love.

Honestly, after seeing his sisters I'm pretty sure the Araragis as a whole are just hereditarily "hot but brain damaged" or something.

When I grew up, I want to be able to be this delusional.

I'm not even a snekfag and I demand you fuck off. She's 13 and pretty fucking rad when put in that context. Her snapping at school was golden.

Surprisingly accurate.

>and Koi pretty much proved he has lots to learn about building a relationship in general, much less in love.
He didn't do much particularly wrong in Koi to be honest. He was very literally the one person who would not able to to save Nadeko due to the nature of his role in her problems (he can be given blame for making matters worse here, and even there it was unintentional through Araragi pretty much treating Nadeko like he does everyone else anyway), and trying to keep Gahara away from this oddity stuff (which she herself has stated she wants no part of) was reasonable enough, Gahara herself can't cry about it without being a hypocrite because it was because of this way Araragi behaves that she met & got together with him in the first place.

Araragi himself talks about this sorta thing in the intro for Hitagi Rendevouz, that he loves Gahara but acknowledging and acting on that pretty much requires killing off a part of his 'self' to make it work.

It's a harem there is no real point or love involved.

What you see as "depth" and "love" is just Nisio writing pseudo intellectual drivel inbetween page long descriptions of breasts and pussy

I would hope so, since I'm basically just restating what's been discussed/monologued in the show.
The second half of Nise 1 was basically "Araragi and Snail are bros for life"
youtube.com/watch?v=VUqBM-Y4r9Q

>is just Nisio writing pseudo intellectual drivel
It's just pretty straight-forward and blunt characterization people are talking about. No need to get up in arms about it.

I think most of what you said has been implied along the series, but a good part of the fanbase seems to be incapable of accepting it.

Catfag here. Not all of us are this delusional.

Nah. It's really fuck obvious shit and is obnoxious in how it

>HEY HANEKAWA DO U LIKE SALT WITH UR EGGS
>no
>DO U LIKE KETCHUP
>no
>DO U LIKE SOY SAUCE
>no
>WOW HOW AMAZING AND INTERESTING TOO U DON'T LIKE SPICE OF ANY KIND BUT U DON'T DISLIKE SPICE OF ANY KIND ITS LIKE YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING(DO U GET IT VIEWERS)

And then some faggot writes four pages pontificating on Hanekawa while posting her fat fucking ass and big old titties. Bakemonogatari is porn for pretentious people.

Clearly 2deep4u. This show is an SoL nuanced with societal and mental health themes. Sexualization is healthy, Sup Forumsnon. Why do tits make a show less genuine for you?

Who are you talking about in this thread where people are talking like that?

and outside of Nise, nah it's not particularly pretentious. It's a pretty straightforward character-driven story, with words everywhere because it's an LN adaptation and stupid overstylized art because it's Shaft. You'd have to be dumber than the average neckbeard Bake-worshipper to view the entire series as "pseudo intellectual drivel"
or just fishing for (you)s I guess, and if that's the case then good job, you did it

>Bakemonogatari is porn for pretentious people.
I've noticed that a lot of these recycled comments about how bad it is that people like what I don't like or whatever the fuck always come from people who have watched Bakemono & Nisemono at most and then drop off, while still criticizing the rest of the series. Even though it gets significantly less harem-y as the series progresses from after that point.

Why would people who don't like a series watch three seasons of it?

Why would people who don't like a series criticize the entirety of the series beyond what they haven't watched? People in the thread are talking about the series as a whole aren't they?

nisemonogatari is disgusting.

Why would people who don't like a series watch more than a few episodes of it?

I don't disagree with you, it's the only time in the series where the "it's just pretentious porn!" comments actually hold water. Animation quality aside it was pretty trashy.

>less harem-y
yeah this.

I believe the turning point for me in really liking monogatari more than most shows is how it has actually done a "harem fallout" in the middle of the story, and the consequences.

generally this doesnt happen until the last part of a series in harems, where the other girls then fall for other guys or just remain single and attached.

but monogatari had the balls to not only have the MC break some of the girls hearts by declining their confession, there's girls who end up dying, hating him or found someone else.

why?

>Bakemonogatari is porn
I wish, it's a crime how some of the girls don't get the sexualization that we deserve.

It's pretty good if you stop watching at Tsukihi's arc

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Living the dream

post the cute kiss scenes

Fell out of love with Hanekawa because she had no self respect and didn't want to save herself.

Senjougahara saved herself and bargained for her own life when she was cursed, rather than indulgently lose herself to her own curse and dilemma. That impressed him and now they fuck like cats in heat Hanekawa isn't any more.

It's funny people here say this because Nise' is my favorite.

>best girl 'Bu has her first lines and a fucking awesome intro (to Nise' at least, her actual intro in Bake' was fantastic as well)
>finally meet and interact with the two imouto
>snek innuendo happens
>great MayoixKoyomi banter
>great 'GaharaxKoyomi banter
>Kaiki has some fantastic screentime. Not as good as Hitagi End but second best for me.
>TEEN-FUCKING-SHINOBU'S ONLY SCREENTIME

I think maybe in first watch Nise' is mediocre compared to several others but on rewatch Nise' stands out as so important to me I rank it #1.

They didn't show ragi giving karen medicine through the kiss right?

>What you see as "depth" and "love" is just Nisio writing pseudo intellectual drivel inbetween page long descriptions of breasts and pussy
You're probably just pretty dense to be honest. That's not me praising the writing as particularly intelligent either because it isn't. The story has pretty clearly defined themes (and yeah, "love" is among those themes) and character progression, you don't even have to like the series to see that much. Nah that doesn't make it the deepest shit ever, but comments like yours are just as delusional as the reddit idiots you seem to be referring to though (why not take these comments over there instead of to a relatively normal thread by Sup Forums standards?)

No need. The lewdest scene on television history happens between KoyomixKaren. Notice right before the toothbrush scene she offers him her virginity. I had to get out of my seat during the toothbrush scene to yell "It would have been less lewd if you had just bent her over and fucked her!"

It's got to do I think with the first ep being almost blatant sexual innuendos with mayoi.

At least, I remember an anime blog that talked about that, and some comments feeling weirded out, years ago when nise first aired. It didnt help that it wasn't clear that nise was a sequel to bake for new viewers.

It has some nice individual scenes surrounded by a lot of bullshit and some of Nisio's most heavy-handed writing in the entire series ("fakes can be better than the real thing", yeah we fucking get it, no it's not that insightful an observation)

oh yeah and this scene that became infamous and was spread a whole lot

Araragi can't really love anybody user.