How do you talk to normies?

I am a private classical music teacher

One of my moderate left-leaning clients is a pretty smart guy. Makes a lot of money, redpilled on a couple topics, and a breddy nice guy. He is sympathetic to socialism but acknowledges that both the democrat and republican parties are corrupt.

He admits that Trump has been great for the economy, but he says he doesn't like that Trump keeps pouring salt on the cultural wounds and thinks that Trump is firing up fringe political groups on both sides.

He 100% believes every Huffington Post documentary on the alt-right that he sees, and thinks that a white nationalist revolution is impending because of Richard Spencer.

I pretend to be a centrist and defend Trump's main message but will contend to some leftist points and criticisms of Trump's behavior, just to appear unbiased.

He agrees that there is a huge anti-white sentiment, but thinks the "alt-right" is completely evil.

The guy seems pretty open minded, but I don't want to reveal my power-level and scare him away so I am just acting centrist but subtly arguing far-right view points.

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Whoops, didn't end my OP right.

So I am asking:
How do you talk to left-leaning normies who are intelligent enough to discuss issues and topics without sperging out, but you don't want to reveal your far-right 14/88 views?

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Talk about salient points and back it up with facts. Probably best place to start would be MSM and how it seems to have lost most of it's credibility. Over time with enough evidence then you can try to bring up the idea that the previous exhorting of the alt-rights evils in the media was just more propaganda. If one of their pillars of argument becomes untenable then they have to concede. As soon as they begin to concede on that one point you just take more time. You can't ever be wrong with your information and it has to be said in a polite way.

NO balls
Lies
Can't start a thread
And racist

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I explained that the media lies about how many people are really in the "alt-right", and that Richard Spencer does not even have 100k followers.

I just said that charolettesville was really not a big deal and the media is over-playing it acting like the country is on the verge of a race-war when most people really don't care.

when something comes up you just throw in an innocent fact like: if you only count whites the crime rate in the US is like Europe

see how they respond and go from there

since most of them haven't formulated opinions on image boards in which they are trashed for every single mistake, their arguments are weak and easily thwarted

they end up saying things like: I feel, I believe,but what is fair

or but historical and 150 years ago

just press, don't make them cry

but next time you see them you will see that they aren't as weak minded

you can probably lead someone to become an anti-semite with a few red pills

hollywood is a big one, since it is the leading cancer of culture

lol are you shit posting with that name again memeflag?
Better place to start would be stuff like "Syrian Migrant Dies in German" blast. It clearly shows that there is bias in the media to cover for certain parties and influence people into their way of thinking by not stating the facts but distorting the narrative in it's presentation. If the information is too close to what they feel strongly about they'll rebuke you based off an emotional response so you don't challenge their world view. It's been known that doing so always elicits a fight response.

Prove you're right about other things that aren't directly related to them but destroys the credibility of their position. As soon as they think you may be right about that then they might look introspectively into their own issues and find the fault themselves.

>if you only count whites the crime rate in the US is like Europe

He acknowledges that blacks attack whites disproportionately and that there is a rising anti-white sentiment. He said he can't even walk around our city much anymore because it's become too violent towards white people

So I mean, he is redpilled on that at least.

>If the information is too close to what they feel strongly about they'll rebuke you based off an emotional response so you don't challenge their world view. It's been known that doing so always elicits a fight response.

He seems like a dude who cares a lot about environmental issues, and he is hated that Trump removed us from the paris climate accord.

I said "Oh yeah, I have no problem focusing on environmental issues, but that deal was bad for America. I think it would be better if each country focused on solving their own environmental issues without being accountable to a global government agreement" and then I cited some of the unfair aspects of the paris climate agreement about how they put worse restrictions on us than China.

He seemed to be somewhat open to this idea

Climate Accord was retarded and would kill us.
T. Restoration ecologist.

Another way to think about it is that Sup Forums doesn't make people racist. It presents information in such a way that you can't deny the truth of it regardless of how it makes you feel. Whether you disagree with it or not it doesn't change the fact that it's true. This is the same concept but you apply the concept to them tangentially. You talk about something that effects them in a secondary, or even tertiary fashion. A good example was talking to a friend outside of work, I discussed why republicans would vote for Trump. Not that they hated people of color but that political parties are aggregates of what is most important. Some peoples well being and those of their family makes them care more for that party than the rights of others because it directly affects their livelihood.

If it's about the EPA restrictions tell him something like, OPEC was directly opposed to things like frakking because it destabilized their position of power. For them and the united states it isn't a matter of environment as opposed to falling behind the power curve in resource dependency. What happened after OPEC realized they couldn't keep gouging us and lost leverage? They capitulated with King Salmans son who wants a more liberal saudia arabia where women can drive. And that was only possible because frakking caused us to not depend on their exports because it's so cheap to implement and we have huge shale reserves. Now he cares because of a tangential improvement (womens rights) directly improved by ignoring EPA restrictions.

Just don't engage in conversation of any of these topics with normies. It's not fucking worth it, you will get no where with it. They're all so indoctrinated in their normie echo chamber of Memebook, Tumbshit, r/politics, etc.

Just try and find anything else to talk about besides political shit. It's a total waste of time as we live in a world where people don't think for themselves anymore and only think with their emotions.

>How do you talk to left-leaning normies who are intelligent enough to discuss issues and topics without sperging out, but you don't want to reveal your far-right 14/88 views?

One topic at a time, and with great care since he is a client.

This will take years, but it will be well worth it.

Why not become a centrist?

It removes the negative aspect of the thing you are discussing and turns it into a grey area. Something more acceptable because someones values shift on what they think is more important. So you purposefully shift the discussion where you slide them to your side by appealing to what is important to them by conceding that something can be improved that they find important by yielding. Going to head out for errands but that's what I think of it and it usually works. You just can't ever be wrong because as soon as doubt comes in about your credibility then you no longer can be seen as a defacto source of information. The same is happening to the mainstream media and their credibility and it can be applied to this too. You are only as effective as your information.

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He sounds smarter than you desu

>One topic at a time, and with great care since he is a client.

When he started ranting about politics I was thinking "Bah fuck...I don't want to lose a client...should I engage?"

I think it went alright. I just played a centrist position and contended a few of his points to appear more unbiased. He actually seems somewhat redpillable and able to discuss issues without sperging.

Well this is a guy who seems pretty open to discourse and different view-points.

>sympathetic to socialism
>intelligent

no more talking. they are trying to kill us and they are trying to kill korea and japan

no more talking. they deserve death

If you think what Sup Forums advocates is ethical, you need to have some serious soul searching

Make sure to argue against things like large corporate power, (Amazona, Walmart, Facebook) These are normie friendly things that they might agree with.

>He seems like a dude who cares a lot about environmental issues

you can talk about high population density destroys the environment and unlimited immigration will create too many people for our country to handle without massive impacts to the environment. Also Americans have a much higher carbon footprint, so allowing more people in the country creates a more people with a higher carbon foot print. Just make sure to be respectful and not to force things.

Also you could talk about how Trump was popularly elected on the promise to build a wall, and when you see things like the Card Against Humanity buying property in the way of the Wall, then that is a corporation actively working against the will of the people. Talk about how massive corporations are subverting ARE Democracy despite the popular support of the people.

there is a white nationalist counter-revolution impending. bretty smart guy.
pol is leaking throughout the internet and into the real world. half of america now believes the mainstream media is fake news.
>every user revealing their power level to 3 ppl is massive and changes small group dynamics which builds up into larger groups.
being racist is now open banter at the workplace(no females obvi)

With a flamethrower.

>and thinks that a white nationalist revolution is impending because of Richard Spencer.
Can you imagine being this disconnected from reality

He's a smart guy, except that he actually trusts big-government and believes lame MSM documentaries about "white supremacy".

ASK questions. dont just tell him stuff. Ask why does he think the government lied about jfk?

ask why he thinks that trump was in the public eye for 40 years and got all kinds of diversity awards, that the media forgets all that good works?

complain about mccain, mcconnel and other rhinos so to appear to be unbiased

they are doing us a favor. people are more likely to believe in european supremacy if they think there is a strong movement

strong horse

anyone that has not come to us at this point deserves death. the evidence is too clear and they are trying to kill us

there are no innocents in a civil conflict. the fact they havent converted yet means their priorities are not safety and sanity. they are only useful as cannonfodder if they convert

making too many liberals convert is just going to deliver control to the alt lite. no thanks

Well, you have several problems. The largest of which is that your friend seems to be a retard. I think shock therapy might be in order. Invite him out for a drink on a friday night, about 11pm drive him into your nearby dindu infested shithole and park on Martin Luther King Blvd (bring your ccw). Tell him there is a great spot just ahead and start walking. Stop and talk to the homeless, hookers, drug dealers and thugs. Hopefully after a few blocks you can make it back to the car (hopefully still there) without having to shoot your way out. Talk to him about the experience on the way home.

It's been getting pretty good out there for us.
Been to a couple of my friend's parties where we just play stupid games that are kinda like Cards Against Humanity in that they're "funniest wins". One of his buds is an obvious Sup Forumsack as well and we always split guts together being racist as shit. Now everyone's joined in.
First step is always laughter.

>Private classical music teacher
How much money do you make? I imagine if you make good enough money doing that it would be like the greatest job ever.

>and thinks that a white nationalist revolution is impending because of Richard Spencer.
but can we meme it into reality? Imagine the happening

No I mean, this guy is totally redpilled on the anti-white bias and how badly nigs/spics act in city environments.

He just thinks that big-government and moderate leftism (not the SJW stuff) is the answer

You don't. If you approach them with the same mindset as a customer service representative. There is hope for this guy, so give him factoids to look up. None of us can walk the path for normies, we can only show them the door.

I teach at a music school and also teach privately.

Privately, I charge $25 per 30 minutes.

At the school, I get $20 per 30 minutes (they take a lot out of my paycheck)

I want to build up to like 40 students and charge them all $30 per 30 minutes. I know a few other musicians who have done this in the area too.

Tell him to read Protocols of the Elders of Zion and quit being a fuckhead

Sorry for missing that, I'm drinking. So its an economic problem. I've always favored a meritocracy as the most practical plan for bringing out the best from everyone and the best value for society. If he is into science you can use the concept of entropy to explain how the effectiveness of his tax dollar is fundamentally reduced by every step it takes away from his wallet before being applied to any task. Also, the destructive influence of government programs on the family structure which supports society.

Maybe tell him you lost your social security card and ask him to go with you to the social security office to get another one. While you wait 4 hours talk about what you see in the lobby and how it impacts society.

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I fuck them til they love me.

Bach will set them free. Tell them to compare Bach's work and fugues with "accomplishments" from other parts of the world. Then compare the investment technologically creating the organ. Bach IS fullblown God tier.

If that's the case I think a steady campaign of immigration and islamic red pills is a safe bet.
Don't push the JQ until you get to the 'follow the money' element of the current immigration crisis.

Studying classical music actually redpilled me on the achievements of Europeans.

There's European classical music, and then there's just an entire world of complete dogshit. Nothing that even slightly compares to the accomplishments of European composers from the baroque-era to the late 1800's/early 1900's romantic-era classical music.

Bach, Vivaldi, Scarletti ect. ect.

German, Italian, Polish and Spanish composers are fucking incredible.

The trick is being aesthetically appealing an unapologetic, you can win morsels with sound logic that much is true but when you are physically appealing and dominant in behavior dumb sluts will adhere in droves just to be agreeable, then the predatory males that behave left wing purely as a gimmick for womens attention will slowly follow.

If you want to really jog the mind of a male leftist the goal shouldn't be to redpill him, he will spew you out but rather redpill the more impressionable opposite sex he finds attractive, he will tolerate her opinions and listen because he finds her sexually tolerable.

It is what the jews practice and is why womens suffrage is such a key point in their influence, women despite being the most impressionable and easily influenced are at the same time most capable of preaching to young males.

I don't. Unless i need something from them. For example, I have a friend in his late 30's that makes a shit ton of money in tech. I am only 25 and I think he is a complete retard. Aside from being really good with a computer, he is a total brainlet. Born and raised in SoCal, he did grow up in a wealthy family, and after talking to him, I can conclude that he would probably be way more redpilled than he is now if he grew up poor. Instead, he lives his life in a bubble. I'm basically pretending that I can stand his company for more than 30 seconds in the hopes that he can help me get a good job soon, but if not, then whatever.

Purchase of copy of SHADOW MEN by Anthony Napoleon and give it to him. Best tool of persuasion I've ever come across.

How do you get into that? I like to read and am curious what books I can to educate myself on classical music, I don't have money so I can't take a class.

Yes.
They're from r/The_Donald.

You shouldn't live like that, its fraudulent, and if you put in the work and start to care about your friend as he obviously cares about you if he is getting you a job. Being social with people you disagree with a is a part of life and one of the ways you can get them to agree with you, just don't sperg out.

What this guy says, but with a important note. If you take from him, give back in the future. If you wont be a friend, at least be a contact and repay the favor.

Unfortunately the internet is definitely lacking on classical music information. For some reason classical music fans haven't done a good job at promoting classical music online.

You can just learn about composers by finding new ones and then reading about their life history on the internet.

There are many more obscure composers that people don't know much about who make way better music than you hear in movies, in school, ect. ect.

Some composers to get started on by listening to and reading about off the top of my head:

Alexander Scriabin
Alexander Tansman
Tchaikovsky
Rachmaninoff
Roland Dyens
Astor Piazzolla
Beethovan
Bach
Erik Satie
Chopin
Mugel Llobet
Brahms
Ryuichi Sakamoto (not European obviously but still amazing)
Heitor Villa Lobos (also not european but still pretty cool)
Domenico Scarlatti
Debussy
Ravel
Edward MacDowell (Underrated American composer, wrote a lot of music in ode to New england and american forests and shit like that. Cute stuff)
Isaac Ableniz
Francisco Tarrega
Grieg
Franz Liszt

There are these YouTube channels that have archives of videos with tons of classical music displaying the sheet music. You can just find composers you like, research them, and then learn about the baroque/romantic periods and all that.

Here's a good sheet music youtube channel
youtube.com/user/xiangyik/videos

Exactly. Some of these insane lefty communists have no idea that they are actually communists. It;s been fed to them under other names for years. I used to believe some of this shit until I was in my teen years. I guess some people just have a mental disorder where they never grow out of being a child mentally. But in the end, these assholes will live their entire lives in a bubble thinking that nothing bad will happen to them ever until one day a fucking paki slices their head off. Just remember that these people are insane enough to choose death over admitting that they are wrong.

I am open to different view points but it gets old trying to "negotiate" with mouthbreathing normies who don't think with any logic at all. As soon as you flex your power level it's the same reaction every time.

>"that's racist bro"
>"how can u say that doe"
>"dude whats wrong with you"

This is what I'm talking about this emotional based thinking. Everyone is becoming pre-programmed like fucking robots to only output one thing based off the inputs they received. They don't investigate shit and instantly jump to conclusions without accepting 2 sides to a story.

Any sane logical person who is still willing to think for themselves quickly learns that almost every story that gets thrown around is always a story that will almost always have a different ending than initially told.

The cheapest way is to create an informal men's club, your living room is fine or backyard. Have no TVs, women or soberfags. Talk about redpilling issues to baroque music loud. Enough to enjoy. Then start drinking whiskey, or hefeweizens. Listen to all the organ pieces you can by Bach, and read his biography. Talk about life issues too. Then go to churches where there are organists.

Thanks, do you study the composition and techniques of the different periods and composers or are you more into history and the biographical information?

I'm actually a composer/performer myself, so I teach classical guitar/violin lessons.

I study composition/technique just for my own compositions, but I study the history and biographical info for fun and to put the music into context.

I think you can just google classical music composition to get an idea of what that entails, but the best way to learn is to actually start playing classical music written by other people.

Well user, you have to bring up your controversial views slowly and in pieces. One of the reasons Sup Forums is so effective is because newfags come for the jokes/memes, and stay for the redpill. The jokes/memes warm newfags up to white nationalism, so that when the jokes become more and more serious, the individual already has somewhat of a footprint of white nationalism in his mind.

Same thing can happen irl. Do not go full 1488 on him, it'll just turn normies off. You have to work up to it. He already accepts that there is anti-white sentiment, so just keep building off that. You have the truth and the facts on your side, the only obstacle you face is that guy's liberal comfort zone.

>but he says he doesn't like that Trump keeps pouring salt on the cultural wounds and thinks that Trump is firing up fringe political groups on both sides.
Except that is just factually wrong. The left has been subverting institutions and radicalizing for a long time and the ‘right’ - basically, anything from left of center -> far right - has reacted to this. Trump is a product of this reaction, not the other way around. They didn’t have open borders long enough to flood the country with enough non-Americans from the most desperate, disparaged parts of the world (and in the instance of refugees - the very politicians letting them in are the ones creating the refugees) so they can bribe them with our tax money to vote against national interests/for the interests of the foreign and multi-national lobbyists. Sucks for them but we caught on and you can get fucked if you think that was ever a possibility or that it’s wrong to stop the demographic warfare. He’s proven his ignorance on politics if he can’t grasp the simple concept of demographics and how group interests shape policy, good and bad. In this universe we have a natural law that states: any action will have an equal and opposite reaction. The far left/establishment, including republicans who are democrat lites, over the past few decades have been the action. The ‘right’, which isn’t even right anymore - now Left-of-center and common sense policies are far right - is simply reacting. Meaning: the right is without a doubt the lesser of two evils, because without the action there is no reaction. If there was no reaction, there would not have been a Trump

>Richard Spencer
He should kill himself for taking this nigger seriously, or for believing that anyone worthwhile on the right would take this fucking loser seriously. The right is all about decentralization because that is our biggest strength. Richard Spencer and anyone who unironically follows this man is a loser.

Never said he was getting me a job. I said maybe, If he did that would be a whole different story. But I think he is redpilled but won't admit certain things. Like one time we got really drunk and he started ranting about how he thinks that all poor people are peasants and we own them and shit like that.

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Feign ignorance where his ignorance is. Act like you've never heard of the out of africa theory for example and have him explain it then tell him next time you see him that you looked it up and it was disproven.

I question when faggots like you denounce any white nationalist that dares venture out into the real world. It's almost like you want to contain our ideas to a fucking Japanese image board...

Smart tactic actually

Thanks again, but are there any books you'd recommend to understand composition techniques of various periods? I play a little guitar and own a piano, but that's about it.

The new Term for anyone that’s lame or Scum shall now be called “Philip”. Use it. Live it. Know it. Complete it at or in any occasion !!!

>NO GOY DON'T SPREAD THE TRUTH

PHILDO !!

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Talk to em straight no lies no embellishing.

Tell them they are being lied to and manipulated.

Divide and Conquer is a real thing. Show them the peace sign and tell them what it really means and then in traduce them in to all the social memes that are dividing the nation. They will begin to get the red pill.
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I question when virgin retards try to prop up an obvious retard who objectively hurts our movement by painting a nice, easy target on his face to take us all down with him. If you think you can’t be a white nationalist while distancing yourself from people who will undoubtedly fuck up in the future as hard as they have already fucked up numerous times before with shit PR that deters any normies, kys. Go jerk off to Lauren Southern vids you e-celeb nigger and back to r*ddit.

Scott Adams has some great ideas, look it up on his blog, for example "How to Persuade the Other Party"

Just ask if he likes WWII documentaries
If he says yes
Recommend the greatest story never told
It is free on the internet

>14/88

So, let me get this straight, you are worried that he will think you are some kind of Nazi. But you use the term "14/88" to describe your views. I presume from this that you are in fact a Nazi. Or am I misreading this situation?

You believe he is mistaken to worry about white supremacism, but you yourself ARE a white supremacist. Am I understanding this correctly. It seems like you have proved his point.

Frame the immigration issue first, in terms of the massive increase after 1965 hart cellar act and the effect it's had on resource allocation and thereby white reproduction. There is scientific consensus on them correlating.

Basically get him on board with the fact the whites don't just perceiv themselves losing power, it's really happen. Their losing resources and vote share and are projected to become minority in the near future. Frame the """alt right""" as a reaction to this reality rather than a hysteria.

Then you can make the case for the share of latinos on ebt, wic and other welfare to help them make more kids, while the whites generally prefer to raise their kids on their own money which is harder to accrue when your sponsoring hundreds of millions of immigrants to have children in the us. Get into the real cost of immigration and all the different sw vices they require, linguistic stuff, schools jails and govt programs of all different kinds.

Eventually the hard part will come if you can get him on board with this and that's the Jewish role. Caller was a Jew and hart was a goy, typical 50/50 (((catalyst)))/opportunist ratio. Talmud prescribes things like this, kalergi coudenhove plan, and there are many Jewish figures like Abe foxman who have been quoted speaking directly on this. Tread carefully here, of course.

youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU

If you want t get into the black issues, focus on the transfer of money from whites and asians to blacks and hispanics, crime statistics across the population and such. I think it's a rabbit hole though and easier to sell him on foreign hispanics, then the jews and more relevant.