Jordan B Peterson's downfall continues

This fence-sitting radical centrist is getting more embarrassing by the day.

He was also bitching on twitter earlier about how some writer claimed he had "hundreds of thousands of views", instead of his actual number: tens of millions.

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Collectivism is cancer though.

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Anti-collectivism is why Sup Forums even works out in the first place.

Anarcho capitalists and communists are the biggest good goys there is.

The mistake a lot of individualist make is to extrapolate legal opinions into personal opinions. It is wrong for the state to force people to segregate or to blend together but it is morally right for many individuals who share traits to want to group together without making laws or enforcing their views on others. Collectivism is so vague but if it can be boiled down, in a legal sense yes it is cancer but otherwise as shared values it is necessary for a people to survive. Even ancaps would need to group together and prevent mass immigration and take over by non-ancaps from another nation.

Ancaps are offering a boer ethnostate today in Orania, South Africa. State coercion is evil and can easily be used against whites look at any modern Western country.

plebbit

>game theory

Peterson is a hack. Even chris chan deserves his patreon money more than this cuck

oh look an ancap with a shit tier take

ind/col are not at odds with each other. Its one of those autistic conservative talking point that mean very little. The only concrete thing they mention I could think of is 'not judging people by their group identity' which is obviously a minuscule part of what these words mean. I don't see how wanting closer communities or higher social trust is wrong. Individualism/collectivism is a spectrum. Individualism in too large Qty make you miserable

shut your filthy jew mouth

and that's why you and the rest of the white race are being exterminated by shitskins.

4-4D Chess?

Nice cucking of our memes faggot.

Is this a psy op? Jordan has been saying this from the very beginning, even in the initial video that got him famous.

>Meme flag Jew.
It's what we got now faggot. You're not special so shut the fuck up.

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youre crazy if you think JP is even remoetly a Nazi or some kind of pro-white character. He's always been about personal development without a racial tinge

If you watch his New Year's letter to the world, he knows what's going to happen and how hopeless his cause is. He's still trying to do what he sees as right despite it.

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I like how you faggots are all freaking out over this nobody when I was saying he was overrated trash from the beginning and getting berated for it. I hope you all burn in hell.

Individualism is you wishing your girl was a traditional woman while she's off doing peyote in Las Vegas from 18-29 discovering herself

No, there is no society with individuals.

This faggot cuckold Jordan had the audacity to cry on some podcast that he was CERTAIN his wife had never lied to him. Can you imagine the arrogance of this bitch to go around and believe that? Fuck me dead. The directionless children that take up his stewardship are just becoming cuskservative boomers 2.0, without any points of difference whatsoever except being economically worse off.

For individualist faggots
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So individualists and collectivists are more similar than collectivists and other collectivists?
Also I'm not sure he's an ancap. It's actually the most radical version of liberterianism.

this. lol wtf is wrong with these people. as if Black people or brown people or yellow people can't be individual . Actually falls in line with demoflat theory, because republican = Racist per my halfirish-halfmexican DRUG DEALER

A bad economy and working camps for undesirables?

More like collectivism is ok as long as only individualism is enforced by the law

> Only low brow Stormerfags, just as queer and "offish" as Antifacts, get #triggered by Peterson.

> Criticizes recycled memes with a recycled meme

> Be totally different from teh Ess Jay Dubyas guys! TOTALLY DIFFERENT
> Get control over a venue
> Immediately start banning people

Is jordan any percent jewish?

>individual

Together we strong, divided you cucked ;-D
And to be honest, fuck the individualists. You fags will get picked out one by one and you deserve it.

>collectivism is cancer
collectivism built civilization, why do you think niggers couldnt

>Ethnic nationalism
>Amerimutt's "muh white identity" BS.

That's what you get when you have no ancestry, mutt.

>When everyone is Collective but Whites, Whites get their shit pushed in.

no just a leaf

Point at the Jew and laugh

Collectivism for Jews but individualism for whites is literally the only reason Jews own everything.

This idea that we should stop ourselves from nationalism when he knows damn well the Jews will maintain their own tribalism, almost makes it sound like he wants whites to lose.

If I didn't know better I'd think JP was a Jew.

Shut up low iq half wit. Make an proper argument or begone, shart stain!

JUST CIVIC MY NATIONALISM UP PHAM
>50 years later: pic related

If you automatically dismiss Peterson's amazing work in the field of personal development because of his centerist political views, you're a delusional leftist/rightist/retard. I'm far right, but I can acknowledge that what this man has to say is important. Peterson is an individualist through and through, but that's very important to a collectivist society no matter which way you look at it. Stop hating everyone that doesn't agree with you on every political viewpoint.

peterson would like people turned into androgynous mixed race "individuals"

>I know somebody's wife better than they do

Fuck off, faggot.

>Individual development isn't important to create a functioning society

You sound like you're not a Nazi.

I had exact same idea writing a rant about "the authoritarianism is the ass of the hydra"

Reminder that Jordan Peterson has discredited himself by immediately doing the same thing to Faith Goldy as the SJWs did to him the moment he had the chance.

You gave hundreds of thousands of bucks to a charlatan.

I like how he genuinely believes what we're seeing in the break down of Western society is a revival of collectivism, and not the rational end of hyper individualism brought on by a society entirely created to generate consumers. But of course Jordan Peterson ignores that because he's a hack who is only doing this for the publicity. So that people will finally listen to his inane and boring Jungian archetype theories.

Conservative Whites listen to Peterson who is a Jew.

Individualism for us, collectivism for the Jew is why we've been losing ground rapidly for the past 100 years.

Nationalism is everythng right now, it is bringing Whites back by bringing us together.

Peterson says to give up and go back to individuals since it worked so well for us in the 20th C.

This is traditional Jew-on-white warfare and Peterson is a Jew.

Fucking this.

If whites can actualize and get their shit together, we can be free to collectivize as appropriate when necessary.

Ignoring JBP's message will mean those whites who could contribute will instead rage ineffectually from their shitty rental property and will never have the potential to contribute to their people's cause.

Although we still need meme magicians too so I'm conflicted...

If he won't name the Jew, he ain't right for you.

Basic rule of thumb.

I was with you half way until you started worshiping money.

>people still not realizing that hyper individualism is what is bringing down the Western world and not the jews

This. The biggest threat to the Jews is we collectivize and form an identity block. JP is a retard because he believes that identity politics can be put back into pandoras box. Well I'm sorry that isn't going to happen - so our only hope to survive as a civilization is to regress to that mean. Any ideas to the contrary is just nihilistic post modern garbage.
They're the one's that promulgated this by generating a fictitious narrative about the Enlightenment.

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Just remember when people scream freedom and individualism it just means hedonism and egotism.

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So that means that the induvidualists should collectively protect their right to pursue individual interests.
What drugs are you on niggers?
Burgers and brits invented individualism and they had collectives of individuals like white stripe vigilantees and a fucking burger army voluntarily limiting their individual freedom to protect the rest of their interest.

And by the way game theory only works presuming RATIONAL decision making which by default does not apply to human benis.
If your collectivists are suicidal from having all freedom stripped away from them ofcourse they gonna lose.

Most of you just arwnt intelligent enough to make any sense of Peterson's lectures.

I don't agree with Peterson in that regard even though you could argue that he doesn't either. I see collectivism, specifically racial nationalism, as an important aspect of a beautiful, wealthy society. My argument is that individuals are the ones that make up society and must attempt to develop themselves as humans before they can contribute and receive respect. This is the philosophy that Peterson is specialized in, and he's damn good at it too. Disregarding this is, for lack of a better analogy, throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

liberals gonna liberal

Actually it's more like you're incapable of understanding our arguments because you're not approaching it from the same direction we are. You think being red pilled is a fun little game where you get to jerk yourself off for feeling smarter than the rest of society. We're waging an ideological war. Peterson's garbage is just rehashed 70s' - 80s' psychology, supplemented with contemporary discoveries and a general knowledge of cultural meta. Which is why he should know what we're talking about - which is why, we ascribe to him malicious motive. Because we know he knows better. Which is why he'll engage in no-platforming the Far Right, just like the Far Left will no platform him. He's not an ally he's a liability.

Breh, you're just thinking in circles here. What if it is in my individual interest to collectively pursue with my fellow white Americans political strategies that protect and promote my race? Because it is. That IS in my individual interest. And it's in the interest of every individual white American because other races just are not capable of maintaining the values and societies that whites do.

So having a job and being a "normal" functioning person makes you aware that niggers and Jews are bad news?

dude idolizes Solzhenitsyn, the author of 200 Years Together ... and you call him a "Jew" ... buahahahahahaaaaaaa ... get fuct Stormerfag!

Kikes are devil's spawn, this is why we can't do shit.

You get the part about a collective of individuals.
Individualism is not about lonewolfing everything.

No I should clarify I am not against all aspects of individualism. Just degenerate shit like making pornography, distributing drugs, promoting lgbtq propaganda, etc. I am all for self improvement and much of the free market. As long as those things all contribute to the benefit of the people. Without restrictions, individualism leads to rampant degeneracy. Especially when you parasitic Jews that promote and profit from it

I'm not worshipping money. I'm just using it as an indicator for laziness in adulthood.

If you sort yourself out and build some genuine personal resilience, power, and potential, financial stability will be an indicator of that actualization.

Obviously worshipping monday is Jewish and therefore satanic.

>Nonewhites: We
But non-whites all hate each other kind of non-white

LMAO

FROG-VOICED MAN CANNOT BE FOR REAL

HAHAHAHHA THIS STUPID LEAF FAGGOT IS A PARODY OF HIMSELF I AM LITERALLY LAUGHING OUT LOUD

So then why is he rejecting identity politics when identity politics can conform to individualism, so long as there is a reason for the individual to pursue identity policies? His position is fundamentally flawed. He wants us to think as individuals, and pursue interests that promote individualism, but he doesn't take seriously at all the reality that many of us, as individuals believe, with ample evidence, that the individual suffers deeply in non-white societies, and that ignoring this is not in our interests.

These are thought obstacles that could easily be avoided if Peterson actually took the time to think, even nominally, about the possibility that identity politics are valid, rather than rejecting them outright because they conflict with a 20th century understanding of liberalism.

Nothing you said inherently gets you anything tho.

I understand the dilemma, but what can we possibly do about it other than ban dual-citizenship (which is my best theoretical effort for a "real" solution, don't even offer "final" solution because that's a serious LARP)

>What are the results of civic nationalism?
>not a cuck's white wife getting fucked by an AIDs ridden black bull in front of him

>Daily reminder
Also, individualism doesn't mean that you should let shitskins in your countries, you nazi larpers

This. A lot of people when discussing evolutionary psychology and how it relates to IQ often forget that Whites exist on the furthest end of the bell curve like no other. Jews may have a higher average, but they don't reach the same heights. Nor are there enough of them to even feasibly challenge that, even if their gene pool could catch up in IQ distribution. The fact that White genes contain the widest distribution of IQ ranges, is the key to our success. Our society produced perfect drones as well as perfect leaders. Their society produced a perfect parasitical legislative class or temple class, and that's why they've only ever been able to succeed through infiltration.

>leave me alone, I'm not one of you!
Lol, yes you are

You dont get to protect people from their own decisions, you have no moral authority.
>hey junki stop being degenerate, that os bad for us
>hey user stop owning guns, this is bad for us
>hey user stop doing the job you chose, we need you doing what we need from you
>hey user stop having freedoms this is bad for us

Collectivism is like gang rape, the collective as whole benefits from opressing individuals, ecept it goes full circle until everybody is equally raped by everybody else, except the leaders indeed. The leaders of collective only benefit

Individualism is idiots who haven't lost their egos, antiquated sorry mate

No. It just means you have something to contribute as a person.

I think of JBP as a path for self improvement. Identify the potential of the individual. Read books. Work out. Create the ideal life. Build a family. Network in your community. These are all things that his teachings can help you facilitate for yourself.

If and when white people wake up and see the corner we are painted into, I would rather an army of Chads with kids over an army of Eugenes with cats.

Looks like this has been a problem for a while now.

Why are you people acting like he was ever anything other than a proponent of individualism? He's been pretty clear about his thinking the entire time.

They have been given their own home twice in a row even after getting it they destroy everything around them. Not sure why people are so naive about shitskins and jews.

Holy ism's batman!

My bet's on the hydra

Collectivism is cancer if not used properly. So is individualism. So is everything. The truth is you need both. It is stupid to pick on or the other ideology and be loyal to it. Jesus Christ this was once the fucking obvious.

The "individual" is a part of collectives and collectives are made up of "individuals". There is no such thing as an individual fundamentally. The individual is but a feature or symptom of it's environment, it is moulded by it and the environment moulded by it's features. You can not just exclude or practically ignore collectivism or you are going to have a very sick, greedy selfish and self destructive society... like we have now.

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agreed, us we should band together for mutial reeing and that ilk

That is just a excuse for you to ignore it happening right now.

Peterson is a godsend for young men and is great for development on the personal level. I think his advice is compatible with nationalism and that he is rather just trying to lay low on the identitarian front so he can keep doing psychological work.

Individualism is fine when you’re a kid or teen.

individualism is the greatest cancer this world has ever seen

FUCKING THIS.

How people can't see how much JBP is /ourguy/ is beyond me.

His 2nd podcast with Joe "dude weed" Rogan, a platform of about 10million listeners, had him saying "there is a reason why its ok to hace a soviet flag but not a nazi flag." Anyone who investigates that reason winds up... where? He breaks down the evolutionary psyche behind soyboy male feminists being closet rapist snakes. He argues for women to pull their heads in about their contribution as mothers.
He is a fucking messiah for Sup Forums and faggots whinge he isn't sperging out and flinging spaghetti at the jews. Fucking retards.

OP is the same paid troll who makes anti Lauren Southern and anti Richard Spencer threads. Typical divide & conquer concern shilling. Who cares if someone has a different opinion than you?

shut up cuckbertarian, it's faggots like you who think they are an island and don't care if everything around them is burning as long as they can spend their shekels on more material shit that got us into this mess. You people believe in nothing but money, fuck off.

>he is rather just trying to lay low on the identitarian front so he can keep doing psychological work.

Otherwise known as lying. I find it funny that the followers of Peterson, who pump him up as being a paragon of the virtues, are so often willing to excuse what they think are outright deceptions on his behalf.

Personally, I don't think he is lying. I believe he is just a boomer cuck with some common sense about lifestyle, but you're the one claiming he believes things he has never said.

>making use of degenerates for your own benefit is a bad thing

Individualism and working together in a group can be applied in the same time. We are not cogs, nor fucking 70 IQ half monkeys of course we are going to see one another as individuals.

The main thing is not to see all non-whites as individuals and ALWAYS think of their group loyalty.

>fence sitting
He's not a fence-sitter in the least. He has always had his view and has never hid it: He is an outspoken liberal individualist, by-the-book perennialist, "race realist", and generally like to characterize abstract concepts with story motifs. Also a good speaker but rambles horribly when not prepared.

If you think he is anything else or are surprised at what he is then you obviously have not followed him or listened to him for more than 20 minutes. He's always had his side.

Every gadsden/libertarian/ancap has to be a greedy jews with how much they sperg about money.

This, we're seeing major shilling because his latest video debunks white guilt.
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individualism alone can't build a society, but it's the best starting point for a healthy society.

if you start from the individual, your logical next steps of importance are: famlily, friends, kinsmen, local community, nation.

collectivism always starts from a third party jewery. a vague idea that's basically just someone's else individualism: die for me goy because i know better.