Goku at the start of GT was stronger in his base form than the end of Z/Super's SSJ3 Goku

Goku at the start of GT was stronger in his base form than the end of Z/Super's SSJ3 Goku.

Would SSJ Goku from GT be able to match Beer/Whiskey?

Considering that SSJ is 50x, thats more than 50x the power of SSJ3.

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yeah but he got nerf'd hard

considering that it's after the time of super, yes if he is by the end of Super. however those characters weren't thought of at the time of GT so maybe it's best not to analyze it

>Would SSJ Goku from GT be able to match Beer/Whiskey?
No.

>Goku at the start of GT was stronger in his base form than the end of Z/Super's SSJ3 Goku

citation needed

Also no since it was shown in Super that Vegeta in Base Form was able to effortlessly beat SSJ3 Gotenks who is slightly stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

Does that mean Vegeta base form can defeat SSJ3 Goku in Super?

Goku SSJ3 got defeated by Beerus with no effort at all.

However, after absorbing the power of SSJ God in Super, he managed to stop Beerus' planet destroying blast in Base. So, Super Goku's base also is higher than a Buu Saga SSJ3.

Vegeta, after training with Whis, has a similar boost. Like mentioned above, Gotenks SSJ3 was completely helpless against Copy Vegeta in base.

In spite of that, SSJ1, 2, 3 or even Blue Goku still is nowhere near Beerus.

GT Goku in base still struggled against opponents who were said to be Majin Buu level, so, even if he's stronger than Buu Saga SSJ3 Goku in base, it doesn't seem to be all that much. So, Super Goku > GT Goku.

>Mfw Evil Buu loved chocolate so much he became it

Gotenks is still a child who can't concentrate or know how to fight properly, so it can't really count as real fight.

Goku/Vegeta after God form is stronger than regular SSJ3. However there's still the Goku's super saiyan in GT which gives 50x boost to power over base.

Also, most of the time Goku in GT either fought as base form or as child form. The final SSJ4 is one of the few times where he fights as adult.

Nah, this same Goku had bad times trying to beat Baby who's probably weaker than the regular immortal Zamasu. Also, without godly Ki = no chance.

>without god ki = no chance
Buu kill the kais. Kais all have god ki.

God ki is a buzzword.

>Goku at the start of GT was stronger in his base form than the end of Z/Super's SSJ3 Goku
Wasn't his base form at the start of GT his SSJ3 powerlevel?

General Rilldo in base is stronger than Boohan. Goku said he had stronger ki than Boo and he meant the strongest one. Uub was already stronger than Mr. Boo and was specifically brought to life to be at least Kid Boo level. Goten puts up a fight against Baby after saying it's the strongest ki he's felt. Just to corroborate what I'm saying.

Power levels get ridiculous in GT, but Super almost goes start towards destruction of universe by brute force territory. At least GT Gohan shits on Super Gohan and actually got stronger.

Why did Goku in GT suddenly become brown?

sun tan? or saiyan become niggers when they get old

It's just another thing that made GT feel wrong, I know Saiyans are often "tanned" or kind of yellow looking compared to humans but for decades Goku was white/pink as any other earthling, so him suddenly being tan was weird.

... yet in SSJ4 he suddenly returns to his old skin color, it's so weird.

I thought it was just a change in the color palette. All the colors in GT look weird

He wouldn't have god ki so no.

In order to even match up with Beerus, you need to have god ki

>discussing powerlevels seriously past the Buu arc

Please stop.

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to pander to the mexifag crowd

>discussing power levels seriously
ftfy

>SSJ3 Gotenks
wow, such an impressive feat.

>Goku at the start of GT was stronger in his base form than the end of Z/Super's SSJ3 Goku.
If that's true then SSJ4 Gogeta must've easily been galaxy+ destroyer tier as well.

With Super, GT is officially non-canon. But I feel Toriyama will somehow incorporate GT's elements into Super.

>General Rilldo in base is stronger than Boohan. Goku said he had stronger ki than Boo and he meant the strongest one.
Context shows that you're wrong, though. Goku means MR. BUU, not Buuhan. Trunks and Pan don't know what Buuhan was and have never sensed his Ki.

If Goku meant someone stronger, he would have stated Robot Dildo being stronger than Uub or Vegeta or something. Goten similarly hasn't sensed Buuhan's Ki since he was a part of Buuhan at the time. Goten has never sensed Vegito's Ki either.

Goku being impressed by someone being as strong as Mr. Boo makes absolutely no sense.

>Trunks and Pan don't know what Buuhan was and have never sensed his Ki.

Nothing to do with what was said.

>Goten has never sensed Vegito's Ki either.

Never said he did. He has sensed Super Boo.

>he would have stated

He's not an actual person and this isn't an argument.

Base GT Goku > Super Saiyan 4 Goku

>Nothing to do with what was said.
He was talking to Trunks and Pan specifically. That is the context of the scene. It has everything to do with what he said.

>Never said he did. He has sensed Super Boo.
Which hurts this claim further. None of the fighters on Earth are stronger than Super Buu?

>He's not an actual person and this isn't an argument.
He's explaining to Trunks and Pan why they need to not mess around with Robot Dildo, giving a scale of the threat they face. Pan then immediately decks the guy.

They're both canon. Just one is an alternative timeline.

>None of the fighters on Earth are stronger than Super Buu?

Dude, were you even reading? Goten said Baby was stronger than anyone they faced before and still put up a fight. Since the strongest guy he's sensed is Super Boo that's Baby's minimum strength at that point. Obviously Gohan has been stronger than Super Boo for more than a decade. Why would Trunks show half worry and be fired up about someone as strong as Mr. Boo in Rildo when he's stronger himself?

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>He's explaining to Trunks and Pan

In that specific instance he wasn't talking to either of them. He wasn't giving Trunks or Pan an estimation of his power when he made that comment. It has nothing to do with it like said before.

Most people in GT slacked off after 5 years of peace.

Only people that trained non-stop were Goku and Uub. Uub and Goku. Vegeta grew mustasche and slacked off a bit too.

Nah, it even says Gohan trained.

>GT Perfect Files
>Son Gohan
>He transformed when fighting with Goten after Goten had been taken over by Baby!! It seems that even in times of peace, he hasn’t neglected his training. The differences in Gohan’s facial expressions before and after transforming are the most intense out of any warrior!!

GT Goku > SSJ3 Z era Goku
Super Goku >SSJ3 Gotenks
Using multipliers we can deduce Super Goku is at least 10x stronger than GT Goku while in base.

How's he going to train when he's a full time father and a full time researcher?

Gohan "trained" maybe a little bit on his offdays, but that doesn't say much when compared to Goku and Uub who actually trained non-stop for 5 years straight, even to the point where Uub/Goku didn't visit their family.

Then there's the Super Saiyan GT Goku, which is 50x multipler, as well as Super Saiyan 2, 3, 4 Oozaru mode.

If we did a bit of calculation, GT Super Saiyan Goku would either be stronger than Super God Goku or close enough to it. The ssj2/3/4 makes GT goku exponentially more stronger.

>Would SSJ Goku from GT be able to match Beer/Whiskey?
He wouldn't even beat Cabbage.

Kai's are weak shit anyway.

But they have God Ki, whereas Majin Buu doesn't.
Thus, you don't need God Ki to fight and win against someone who does.
Golden Freiza Doesn't have God Ki either, yet he managed to hold his own against SSB Goku and Vegeta. Might even have won if he had took the time to master his Golden Form.

According to Old Kai, Omega Shenron is capable of destroying the whole universe.

Nigga are you stupid? If Base Goku in Super is stronger than Base GT Goku, then not even Super Saiyan 4 can bring him to that level.

To say nothing of how Buu Saga Vegito = Super Saiyan 4 Goku, and Beerus/God Goku > potential BoG non-god Vegito.

Funny thing, it only said strong as a SSJ4. SSJ4 GT Goku is beyond Buu saga Goku x SSJ4 boost

How are people comparing GT power levels to Super power levels? Like, what basis is there for these statements? Are people just being autistic or is there truth to any of this?

>he fell for DBZ Vegito is stronger than Beerus/GT SS4 Goku

heh

Apparently Frieza could have taken SSGSS Goku out easy had he maintained his max power. Frieza fucked up. Again.

The only Super Saiyan 4 at the time of that magazine's posting is Goku. It was a direct reference to him specifically, in GT. Not Buu.

The complete opposite, Buu Saga Vegito = Super Saiyan 4 Goku. Beerus > BoG Vegito.

Super's people are stronger than GT.

The only thing I can think of where they have been compared is when you fight Beerus and Whis with SS4 Goku in Xenoverse, they react similarly to how they do to SSG, and SS4 Gogeta thinks he MIGHT have a chance against Beerus. MIGHT.
Other than that, there are no statements anywhere about how GT and Super compare.

Xenoverse also implies that Super Cyan Goku and Vegeta are stronger than Super Saiyan 4 Goku and Vegeta, based on the most irritating mission in that game.

I never finished all the Parallel Quests.

But I did just remember another "source" for comparison, Dragon Ball Heroes.
According to the wiki:
SS4: +5000 power or +7000 power
SSG; +8000 power
SSB: +9000 power, hero energy +1
Heroes isn't the best source though, SS3 can give +4000 or +6000 power, which makes it's high end lower than SS4's low end. Same thing happens with SS2, which grants +3000 or +5000 power. So like everything to do with Heroes, take this with a grain of salt.

Super Saiyan 3 Goku was fighting equally with Buutenks, beating the fat Buu easily. Vegito was beating Buuhan easily as well.

Vegito is much stronger than SSJ3 Goku for sure, however GT started with Goku(and Uub) surpassing kid buu's power. They, after all, trained/fought each other for 5 years nonstop.

Going from Super Saiyan(50x base) to Super Saiyan 2(100x base) was a huge deal breaker during Cell Saga, and that was twice as strong as regular Super Saiyan. Super Saiyan 3(400x base) was 4 times as stronger than Super Saiyan 2.

If we assume a reasonable power level of Vegito base form is twice (800x base) as strong as SSJ3, then that's still much weaker than GT Goku's super saiyan form, which is 50x multipler(or roughly equivalent to 20,000x base Z Goku's power). If we assume Vegito is 10x stronger than SS3 Goku, thats only 4000x base.

I'll use the end DBZ Goku's base power to show how GT Goku is much stronger. With the base GT being Z's SS3 equivalent or stronger, thats already 400x. SS1 is 20,000x. SS2 is 40,000. SS3 is 160,000x. SS4 adds another 10x multipler, which makes it 1,600,000x.

Vegito is outclassed.

>If we assume a reasonable power level of Vegito base form is twice (800x base) as strong as SSJ3, then that's still much weaker than GT Goku's super saiyan form, which is 50x multipler(or roughly equivalent to 20,000x base Z Goku's power). If we assume Vegito is 10x stronger than SS3 Goku, thats only 4000x base.

Wrong. Potara fusion is Base x Base.

Speaking of GT, I wonder when Toei will finally put Goku in his blue gi in Super.

Judging by the dialogue, it's more like what if BoG's Goku achieved SSJ4.

So its even weaker. Given that Potara fusion between Goku/Vegeta was done in their base form.

However, we can give the benefit of the doubt and say Potara draws both side's maximum and multiplies that. Vegeta's SS2(100x) and Goku's SS3 (400x), thats's 4000x.

Super Vegito would be 200,000x base Goku's power. Stronger than GT SS3 Goku for sure, but not the Super Saiyan 4, which is 1.6 million x base.

Actually did math bit wrong on last part.

>400x100
40,000
>40,000x50
2m

So if we assume the very strongest Vegito, then his Super Saiyan power up will be stronger than GT's SS4 power.

Which is exactly what states.

And God Goku is stronger than Super Vegito.

>Goku at the start of GT was stronger in his base form than the end of Z/Super's SSJ3 Goku.

If you want to go that way, yes. But that's because GT's powerlevels are retarded and don't make sense.

>end of Z
That shit pisses me off due to Super and BoG. The all point of that ending was for Goku becoming a master like Roshi, training Oob/Uub into his level and have a new rival that could also save the planet one day. Now with the God stuff that ending doesn't make sense. If At still goes into that ending that means bullshit will happen and that Buu is actually some old ass god.
Anyways, even Vegeta in the EoZ seemed the same of the end of Buu saga, like "ok, Goku is stronger". But with Super's story it is impossible to think that he will just chill out its rivality like that

Final episode.

They already said GT is now an alternative timeline.

Its what happens when God Beerus doesn't wake up.

>So its even weaker.
nigga what

If it's base x base then it's retardedly strong. Let's assume that Goku's base power didn't change since Namek, and he fused with a Vegeta of equal power. That's 3,000,000 x 3,000,000. And that's BASE Vegito, not Super Vegito.

>Base x Base
>Fuse two 100.000 PL shitters from Frieza saga
>Would have a PL in the billions
You have no idea how numbers work, do you?

>Its what happens when God Beerus doesn't wake up.
It's the timeline Beerus got his pudding.

That's how Potara works. It's bullshit.

>People are still trying to attach numbers to this shit
They really hooked the autist demographic in deep huh

It's Dragon Ball, of course it did.

Hopefully never, it was a mistake.

Okay so that's 9 trillion.

GT base goku is atleast 400X Z goku's base. So that's 3,000,000 x 400. X 50 for SS1, X 2 for SS2, X 4 for SS3, X 10 for Golden Oozaru, X 10 for SS4 that's 48 trillion.

MUH NUMBERS

And that is just assuming Namek levels, with a resulting base Vegito. Goku and Vegeta are even stronger, making the resulting Vegito even stronger. Super Saiyan 4 doesn't match that kind of multiplier no matter how bullshit you try to make its power up.

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The 50x multiplier doesn't apply in GT. The machine planet computer gave Kid Goku a multiplier after he transformed into a Super Saiyan. It was in the single digits. IIRC it was two or three times. But none of this matters.

This is pretty much the case in Super as well.

Using Mystic Gohan and Veggeto as an example, they have so much of their inner power already awakened that applying SS doesn't make them that much stronger.

The same could be said for Goku, Vegeta, and Black in Super. The SS forms aren't giving them a big of power boost as they did before. Of course God Ki is giving them all more power now instead.

Trunks base form is weaker than them all, but his SS forms are still letting him keep up some what as that has higher multiplier for him still.

Yes, but they both act like they are impressed by the form.