Can the IQ of a population be raised or is it just genetics? Asking for a friend

Can the IQ of a population be raised or is it just genetics? Asking for a friend.

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IQ is irrelevant

We used to meme that at the start of white nationalism (wn 1.0) when we were afraid to say whites have recessive genes and that's why we don't want to mix with subhumans

They took it too far and included crime statistics to say we shouldn't mix with them because they are too stupid/crime-prone

Now we just say we don't want them around because they are bad for white bloodlines. I'd take a 82 iq pure white over a 140 iq nigger. Even applied at a nation-wide scale it's an irrelevant metric, you could use eq too but what's the point.

Ok, but take the Nordic countries for example. The corruption is low because people are smart enough to know it's bad for society. They don't shoot you for it like in China so no draconic laws. Why doesn't my friend here understand this, is he retarded or something?

IQ is not a measure of intelligence but mental capacity and it's not very accurate at that. But yes, it can be raised, your brain can be trained to be better at creative thinking, solving problems etc. But it's also genetics.

Yes, what is mental capacity worth if you do not utilize it.

Exactly. A Serb will say some of the smartest shit but never act on it. The orientals say that knowledge without action is not wisdom.

>knowledge without action is not wisdom.

That is a good saying. Maybe war is where the ultimate showdown of wisdom is.

To answer your question, yes you can inflate iq artificially if you implement a system like Singapore

They went from a poor swamp to 1st world in the span of 1 generation by purging their system of corruption and installing death sentences for the smallest infractions. They also made their education system so that the smallest screw-up can ruin your life and their students are forced to over-perform, leading to higher iq scores.

But do you really want Chinese people in your country? If you support the iq argument you are a civic nationalist. You might as well import the 120+ iq Africans since they are probably a hundred million of them in Africa. They'll increase your iq.

I understand what you're saying, and no, I don't want to import people. I specifically want to raise the intelligence of Serbs. More than that, I've been thinking about what political systems work and I conclude that most of them (except communism) can work to a high degree if the population is intelligent enough to work in their own self interest.
Communism is so heavily ingrained in this society that I believe re-education should be priority no.1. Investing in better schools that teach not only skills but good values etc

Serbs lack ambition. We are content to float in a sea of mediocrity. And you can trace this right back to Tito's Yugoslavia. You didn't have to work really hard back then. In 10 people you had 3 guys working hard while 7 would simply laze about. You couldn't fire anyone. This mentality persists today in the general public. Doesn't help that our best and brightest leave for greener pastures.

Compare WWI Serbia to our Serbia. Before the communists Serbs some of the most hardworking folks around.

I agree, communism has to be the single worst catastrophe we've ever had. You can see the mentality pouring out of people to this day, in every aspect of society. The more I see it the more it makes me sick actually.

Yup. The the communists sapped the societal energy of Serbia. Only way to change this is for a great upheaval to happen. Like a defensive war or a grassroots movement that isn't hijacked. Neither of which I see happening in the near future.

>of a population

You can't rise IQ of a single person, how could you do that for a whole population?

You CAN raise national IQ with selective breeding, but that can be difficult or take a long time. Basically, sterilize the gypsies. That's probably the easiest way to raise national IQ. Or expel dumber regions - losing Kosovo probably helped Serbian national IQ. Encourage smart people to breed more, but that is much tougher - not even Singapore does this very well.

For general economic growth, the best plan is probably to invest in Belgrade and try to turn it into "the next Budapest" or something similar. It's big enough; it needs better marketing and promotion, though. Afterwards, the development process can expand into other regions.

Gypsies aren't that important since they're mostly segregated and don't contribute anyway. Purging kosovo of albos is a whole other story.
As far as Belgrade is concerned, I'd much rather see the infrastructure of the countryside improved, trains, roads etc so even if there is more work in the city people can commute. The money spent on Belgrade Waterfront could be used to make a superhighway from north to south, we could make a free trade zone all along the E-75 and raise tolls along the road. It would be great.

improve healthcare, education and living standards for starters.

We're a lazy bunch, though, I'm content with being an everyman desu

If you can identify the genes involved in intelligence, or anything else for that matter, you can select them from embryos before implantation during IVF.
You produce 40 or 50 embryos and then select the 5 or 6 best to implant. No genetic modification necessary, no ethical problems, but it's massively eugenic.

jej can one thread go without eugenics and genocide?

But that'll never happen in the west.

Sadly, I kind of agree that this region needs a good culling.

no... sorry bro

you should've said "Asking for Fyromia"

crnogorce i siptare

hercegovce*

kek

This desu. So jewy.
>oy bre we are all Serbs why don't you help us we are victims of the olujacaust
>proceeds to practice the worst kind of mountain nigger nepotism known to man

Nope,time to leave buddy.

It's all genetics. Serbia has a good 30% of real white people, and the rest are all mutts.
Luckily some shitskin Serbian women are looking for nothern european men to fix their subhuman-ness.
newsweek.com/2015/03/20/serbian-women-who-want-danish-sperm-donors-313513.html

This woman paid €5,000 to have a half-northern european child.
If you want to fix Serbian intelligence, just have the government subsidize this for any Serbian woman who wants to bleach herself.
>but isnt this cucking serbian men?
No, because the next generation of Serbian men will have a bunch of blonde half -nord qt's to fuck.

I'm pale, blue eyed and not retarded. Do you think the government should provide me with a harem?

It's already happening in the west for certain serious diseases, in China they're using the technology for less serious diseases. When the Chinese are selecting the top 5% of embryos and doing it on a mass scale, first the rich in the west will travel to conceive babies abroad and then the politicians will realise they have no choice if they want to keep up.
This is our only hope if we want to prevent idiocracy. It helps me sleep at night.
nature.com/news/china-s-embrace-of-embryo-selection-raises-thorny-questions-1.22468
gwern.net/Embryo-selection
If we did that, plus selective genetic alteration with crispr, which is getting better and better, we might be capable of raising IQ substantially in any country.

You need to run an eugenics program that sterilize people with low iq.

>harem
I don't know how that would work. There isn't enough Northern Euro people out there anymore. But there is enough sperm.

However the government could pay northern european women to move to serbia, if you find one. Kind of like they do in Alaska, they pay you to live there cause it sucks.

It doesn't even exactly have to be Northern european, it could be Japanese too, but that would switch things up a bit.

Another help would be to start paying people to revoke their citizenship/passport.Pay them something shitty so its only scummy lower class people like gyspies and such who would burn their passport/papers for such a low amount. Maybe make a deal with brazil and send them there.

The problem is we have to think about real time solutions which do not violate the international human rights jew.
Maybe make all citizens take testing in school and people who score less than 90 get paid to get sterilized.

>Serbia has for the first time recognized the expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Germans at the end of World War II. From a pre-war population of 550,000, only 4,000 remain.
>550,000
dw.com/en/serbia-unveils-memorial-to-germans-expelled-after-world-war-ii/a-38738300

Those were the best and brightest people in Serbia.

Good point. Unleash the mongs upon the world and ban all the good looking smart people from traveling. They would need a hell of an incentive to stay though. UNLESS we flood the EU with so many gypsies they revoke our white schengen. Then people couldn't go anywhere.

>put out a notification that there is a disease of children being born retarded
>require a medical exam if people want to have children
>give them the IQ test
>if they are defective tell them they have "the disease"
>if they score sub-average, limit them to 1 child
>if they score above average, put no restrictions
>if they score high above average, given them funds for every child

Ta-dah, everyone's happy, except retards. You are the smartest nation on earth within 100 years.

>ban all the good looking smart people from traveling. They would need a hell of an incentive to stay though.
Don't worry about them. The western world is turning to shit, they will return. My mom is Serbian and she is moving back soon, she doesn't like the direction the US has gone at all. What matters is that Serbia gets better in the mean time.
If Serbia started exporting it's shitskins by paying them to burn their passport and move away, then diaspora will feel more comfortable to come back and invest.
Also free fertilization for any women who want kids. only from the highest iq donor countries. If you can, then it would even be good to pay women to have these government kids.

This too. I agree, its more authoritarian but thats not a bad thing. Just need to get people to agree with it.

>My mom is Serbian and she is moving back soon
Diaspora Serbs best Serbs
I dream a million of you would return and seize power.
You know how in the 19th to early 20th century Serbs would go abroad to France for education? How about since we abolished conscription it should be mandatory for a young Serb to spend 2 years abroad in a developed nation? Sure the west is going to shit but a lot can be learned in terms of business ethics.

Funny enough I dont know many diaspora, I dont know how we are politically and such.
I think traveling opens peoples eyes a lot, Ive noticed the Serbians I know are pretty well traveled within Europe.

Realistically you can do whatever you want and the country will be fine if you have a high national IQ. To acheive a high national IQ you need a racial realist government, and control of the media so you can control public perception.
Seems like too much to ask, but maybe it's possible.

you are able to articulate what I've been thinking. We could have democracy, demsoc, fascism maybe even yugo style syndicalism if only the citizens weren't niggers

300,000 of those were in what is now Serbia, the rest were all throughout Yugoslavia.

Yes a low IQ literally ruins everything, on every level.
It should be the focus of Serbia to raise the IQ level using every step available without violating human rights and having the NATO jew come back.
Government babies and paying people to burn their passport is a easy step which can be done today without any real resistance.
If you can get more realist it would be better, like limiting subhumans from having children like croat said, but thats more controversial to the public.

Something that could help is strong anti-subhuman actions laws. If someone gets caught harassing people for money or giving beggers money they go to jail. Cigans will go to other countries to beg.

300,000 is still a good amount of people in a country the size of serbia. Those were the brightest serbians.
Thats literal nigger tier behavior, kicking out whites

so monteniggers are to serbs what hercegovna are to croats?

You have to consider how many Serbs the Germans killed, expelling them was an act of revenge.

Yeah, time and time again, countries expel minorities in a country that in reality needed them.
It happened to East Europe with Germans, it happened to Turkey with Greeks, Zimbabwe with Rhodesians, etc.

Why are people from Herzegovina seen in a negative light.

Subhuman brutes.

It's never a good idea to kick the smartest people out of your country regardless of the circumstances. Those germans have lived there for centuries as well.

They're like Jews but less ambitious - instead of going for global domination and extermination of whites like Jews, hercegovna are happy with taking control of politics, media and economy in Croatia only with the goal of squeezing every last cent from the gullible natives through their thieving ways. Nepotistic, dishonest, lazy, uncultured, cubeheaded etc.

Exactly. It's well documented subhuman behavior which has happened time and time again. It's sad really, serbia would be a better place if it was only those 300k germans living there.

Both, obviously. Clearly it's possible for your IQ to be higher than your parents ergo IQ can increase over time - but yes there's a genetic component to the structure of your neural network which is going to impact your cognitive ability.

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Eh, knowing Germans, they'd either migrate back after the fall of communism, or just have declining birthrates like the Hungarians in Serbia. If only the Serbs deported Albanians instead. They didn't perform any specific trade, most were just unskilled labourers and farmers.

True.

I dint know that they had such a bad reputation.
My grandfather was from Herzegovina but he was a silent hardworking man, i never saw those characteristics on him.

>dint
*didn't

>Migrate back
I doubt they would though. Yugoslav life wasn't all too bad, it was the subhumans that made it bad. 300k Germans would would have also helped the Serbian economy.
Kosovo is gone anyway, Albanians are irrelevant. The problem with Serbia is unironically the Serbs themselves, well about half of them.
It's hard to deport your own people, but there are other ways to limit them from reproducing or out right arranging them leaving.

The Serbs, like the Greeks, Bulgars, Romanians, Albanians, and any other Balkan state that resisted the Ottomans while under their rule, have a traditional attitude of opposing the government, and when placed in positions of power in said government, show it little to no respect and abuse it.
All this was well and good when it was a foreign regime, but those in the Balkans still see bureaucracy as something to be abused.

My father went to Serbia this year and told me that the majority of Serbs have turned into degenerates but he would not tell me in what ways they act or there characteristics.
What has become of the common Serb? what is there stereotype and in what manner do they act.
In what way have Serbs become degenerate?

It's 80% genetics and 20 percent environment, so if you're not eating well than your whole body not just your brain is affected by it.
You should also be taking multi vitamins.

I apologise if I'm bothering you.

of course it can

yours got significantly raised after you lost kosovo

They are very poor he's probably just commenting on that, and the things that come with being poor.

That is true, but another thing all those people share are inferior genetics.
That attitude they have actually makes them interesting and not cucked culturally like NW Euros.
If you could practice eugenics on any of these peoples you could make a solid country. Remove the inferior parts and pump in higher IQ genetic from elsewhere. "Elevate" the people's genetic stock.

I disagree. The way I see it, their attitude was one that was adapted during Ottoman times, so it's a 'nurture' situation rather than a 'nature' one.
They need an idealist willing to purge the government and enforce draconian laws, or to reform the education sector to mould the youth.

I went to Serbia too this year.
A lot of serbs have been doing drugs like speed, smoking weed. The women are getting worse it seems, more materialistic and western focused. Basically its becoming more like Russia I feel, gopniks and gold diggers. This is BG though, honestly, most serbs are still very non-degenerate good people culturally.
Genetically, they need some clean up like everybody in the balkans does. Somebody needs to start though, and I think it could and should be serbia. No EU faggots to stop them

Well, we can both agree that their attitude when they are someone's superior is shit, since they are used to being someones inferior. Cops sell out easy, government is corrupt and inept. However, if you simply fixed the IQ of the nation things would be much better. Finnish people have been cucked hard by Swedes and by Russians, they should theoretically be authoritative too, and they kinda are, but its less painful and subhumanlike

Those Germans quite literally dindu nuffin

Those germans were basically the same ones who emigrated to america and were simple farmers

heck, i have some of their blood i think

Thanks for your reply, you have really informed me. I hope one day Serbia becomes great.
It was nice talking to you, its always nice to talk to fellow Serbs. I wish you all the best.

I agree with this, german-americans un-ironically make america great.

Yes, the Serbs, like quite a few people here, don't like 'the tall poppy', and this keeps everyone down.
The Finns have enjoyed one of the best educational systems, and their government in its early days was purged of the Reds after the civil war, and implemented national socialism (purely in the economic sense, with patriotism, nothing racial), so they benefited from a healthy economy and thriving industry, combined with an excellent education system.

You too m8. Best of luck. Hopefully one day we can all work on improving Serbian genetics/demographics, making us higher IQ and make a more successful civilization.
Just need a racial realist leader and a strong movement. Diaspora are good for this, coming back to their home country with money and influence

This it's probably a troll thread, but Allende increased my country IQ with nutritional programs for the early infancy.

And we were real third worlders living in the actual third world not just poor euros.

Genetically, i think we're pretty good

Cultural subversion is a much bigger problem and i think the root cause of all the problems

But the westernshit elites for some reason are autistically focusing every cent in this area to ruin everything, they know the potential of the area

>nothing racial
I might be too far into the racial realism path, but I think Finns have all they have, the education systems and industry, because of their genetics and the genetics of those who colonized them.
The average Finnish IQ is one of the highest in Europe.

Just because you can drop books in the middle of a jungle doesnt mean the people there will be able to read em
its genetics,its passed on,like learning how a letter sounds,the basis of language has to grow
but if you look at egypt those stupid fuckers dont even know what their ancestors wrote in their own pyramids

So this was their plan all along...

To some degree, nature vs nurture, both affect IQ so bettering one will of course raise the average, in this case nurture (changing the environment).

>Genetically, i think we're pretty good
Serbia is not that good genetically. Of course compared to non-europeans its fine, but there is much room for improvement. With a better general intelligence level of the public comes more innovation and industry.
Like others have said, you can only do so much before genetics limit you.

yes

Fucking hate Montenegrins and most off them in Belgrade are illegal.

Perhaps, many of their most prosperous regions still have Swedish influence, although this could be explained, having the Swedes export their values into the best regions of their territory.
It also does help that Finland wasn't ravaged by communism to any degree. The worst Finland has ever had, were Swedes who only exerted control around the coast, and the Russians, who gave them limited autonomy for the most part. Whereas the Serbs were subject to Turks, Hungarians, Austrians, all of whom did little to develop the region.
In essence, while I agree there is a racial componant in play, concerning decision making, I believe the Serbian attitude, which they've been brought up in for centuries has been engrained in them is by far the more prominent cause.
Moreover, there have been studies asserting learnt attitudes can be passed down genetically, and that it can be changed.