Who is the best DBZ villain and why is it Cell?

Who is the best DBZ villain and why is it Cell?

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fucking traumatised me

Give me a break.

Cells not only the best villain in DBZ but also the best villain in all of Anime. He's perfect.

one of my favorite things about cell was the fact that he always stayed true to his original programming or purpose - that is, to defeat goku

he may have done some fucked up shit to get strong enough to face goku but he never really wanted to blow up the world or kill everyone or any silly shit like that

nigga just wanted to have a tournament

Cell's most interesting characteristic is that he is voiced by Norio Wakamoto

It's because of his spot that Toriyama liked so much to draw

Cell was a shit villain even by Dragon Ball standards.

Black wouldn't died if he wished for Cell's body instead of Goku

Imperfect Cell > Every other Iteration of Cell

Toriyama nailed the design, but just got too lazy to draw the spots

This is the most P E R F E C T thread!

agreed

what would've happen if he won? like he defeats Gohan and won the tournament.

does Buu still awaken? how about Beerus?

Self-destruct Zenkais. Also Frieza genes. SSGSS Golden Cell.

Buu absorbs Cell and becames all that and more

Is it time for Italian tonight?

Cell stated he'd blow up the planet after he won. So he blows up planet, buu dies, and then Babidi finds him as he is tearing his way across the universe.

Babidi mind zaps him and uses him as his greatest pawn. Supreme Kai is a shitter that DOESN'T wake up Beerus (because nobody thought of doing that until many years later) so yeah, lots and lots of dead people.

No you fagtron, Toryiama came up with the other two transformations because editor-kun said imperfect Cell was too ugly.

does Cell allow Babidi to be controlled

eh, hes kind of a pussy

>Cell

Blame the faggot editor.

Cell became less and less intimidating with each transformation.

That part where he wiped a whole town by absorbing the people was creepy as fuck.

frieza was the last good villain.
the rest had nothing to do with anything relevant and appeared out of nowhere. frieza has the highest kill count too, especially against saiyans.
storywise, frieza's ties with goku and vegeta's history is what makes him more interesting than some bug that crawled out of a lab.

It crawled out of the lab to destroy them, Cell suggests a massive plot and ties together Dragonball, Z, and future Trunks shit.. He's just as substantial as Frieza.

frieza is why goku, as we know him, exists.
why vegeta went on the path to redemption.
cell tied nothing together, he was just anoth big number to fight after the edgy teens. they created BS for cell to exist where as frieza wraps up all the remaining mysteries about goku. I liked cell better in crono trigger anyway.

It's Raditz.
>was never weakened to the point he had to blow himself up
>never got spirit bombed
>the prince of jobbers never rustled his jimmies leading to his untimely demise
>took out the mc with him
>didn't get no scoped by someone's son
Gohan busting the front of his armor wouldn't have made a difference. That beam cannon went all the way through even the undamaged back and also Goku.

He just wanted to have a good fight in his perfect form, but then Goku pussied out

>Freeza

4 MONTHS

>super destroying dragon ball
no wonder, but pre super frieeza was cool

Freezer is always cool.

freeZa was the retcon of retcons. fuck him. cell was original. kid buu is the best because he shuts the fuck up. less lines for the dub and frankly toei to screw up.

Further proving anything post frieza was detrimental to dragonball lore.
You made many good points here, and in great detail. What's next your going to tell me the voices were better in the original manga?

He wasn't even a "villain" per se, but the most ambitious biological product of one of the best minds Earth had to offer, looking for his own place in the universe, while constantly questioning what purpose his (beloved) father planned for him, after carrying out his hard coded duty to absorb 17 and 18. He was also a slave to his Saiyan/Freeza genes which gave him killer pulses he couldn't suppress. It's a pretty sad story. Of all the unredeemable villains Cell was by far the most troubled and understandable.

I don't think Toriyama ever went this far when designing the character, but he's a pretty good take on human mistakes taken too far, even more so when you try to play God. Gero was the real villain here, for allowing such a monstrosity to exist.

Cell's also one of the most chill after becoming perfect. According to himself, he doesn't give a shit about his "Kill Goku" programming anymore & just wants to have fun (Saiyan cells), albeit fun from the torment of others (Frieza cells). He doesn't have any grudge with Goku & sees him as a worthy opponent & no hatred. In that scene he was still looking for his true purpose, and only created the tournament as a means to find out.

>He wasn't even a "villain" per se

Buu was the best, he is a more interesting and creative version of Cell and manages to be both threatening and entertaining.

This man speaks the truth. Underrated villan with tons of potential.

killed by green alien

*green homo

cell

> time travel
> evolutions
> mix of everybody thanks to DNA
> introduced the regeneration from one nearly nothing meme
> Gohan ex machina main protag leading to Gohan fags
> Goku dead leading to plot holes to bring him back

Only good thing coming from cell saga us c18 doujins

Cell is boring as fuck user, OP has been drinking horse piss.

>if cell had joined the Z warrior instead of that faggot vegeta.
shit that will never happen.

>Cell
>Not Black the homo
you what

CARLOS!

Perfect Cell is LITERALLY perfect

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>gohan ex machina

Gohans power has been hinted at since the saiyan saga you stupid retard. Its only natural that it actually went somewhere.

Hinted at didn't change its execution being terrible, somehow in the span of a year Gohan went from unable to go Super Saiyan to strongest person on earth and surpassing Goku. Gohan is one of the most poorly executed characters in this whole series.

He wasnt the strongest until he transformed. And you seem to forget he had steadily been getting stronger until he was only behind piccolo in terms of power. Thats what all his training in the saiyan and freeza arcs were leading to. Goku had gotten insanely strong by training while he went to namek and that put his power high enough so he could transform. Gohan just did the same thing in the chamber.

Its not a deus ex machina or poor execution youre just a part of the rabid, autistic crowd in db threads.

Yet Gohan who is less talented, less devoted, less experienced, and not as physically powerful as his father can supercede him by doing the exact same training. That wasn't well written, Gohan was stronger because Goku and by extension Toriyama kept telling us "Gohan is the best." It's literally just pandering to the fanbase which was mainly children by making the little kid the strongest character.

Getting offended and snapping at people for giving just criticism to a good but flawed series doesn't help preserve anything except apparently your own fragile mental image of the show. Dragonball never had super tight writing and it never will, just read any Toriyama interview or quote where he admits he never plans things that far ahead. He gets a lot done flying by the seat of his pants but it's not always well executed.

>less talented, less devoted, less experienced less physically powerful

Are you illiterate? From day one its been implied that he has a fuckton of power accessible to him he just never knew how to access it. Hes able to reach a power level that surprises and even harms raditz when he was four when an adult goku couldnt touch him. You cant hold him to the same standard as goku when its implied since the beginning that he always had more power dormant in him than everyone else even goku. Its only natural that he ends up being stronger going through the same training.

Yes dragonball isnt the pinnacle of writing even by animes standards but thats not just criticism when half of what youre saying doesnt exactly apply.

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>Yes dragonball isnt the pinnacle of writing even by animes standards but thats not just criticism when half of what youre saying doesnt exactly apply.
Except that half of what you are saying isn't well explained. The disparity inconsistent and poorly explained. We are TOLD Gohan has more power and potential however it only ever surfaces for plot convenience and it's never explained why he's THAT much stronger despite lesser skills or abilities. It's literally just said that that's how it is, that his power level is bigger rather than quantify it in some meaningful way.

We are TOLD that being a half breed makes you stronger but that remains to be something we are told for convenience sake because ultimately by Buu saga and now the unfortunately canon Super, it's been proven that both Goku and Vegeta are stronger than their sons. Gohan is very poorly developed as is his powers, he's there to have a character who is relatable for kids since Goku was no longer a midget and that's why when Gohan grows up he stops being relevant again and suddenly Goten and Trunks are the ones on par with adults. Gohan is possibly the worst explored of the main characters that are relevant during the Z era.

Is there one for zamasu and any ningen?

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I'd say if Dr. Gero had not used those Frieza cells, Cell could have become a Z fighter...

>entire saga where all villains end up joining the Z fighters or at least leave the Z fighters in peace

Just imagine, hahahahahaha.

It doesnt matter whether its explained or not. Were never told why saiyans have such a boner for battle or why super saiyans get blonde hair rather than getting a transformation akin to their great ape form. And it was never used for plot convenience most of the time as gohan showing his power never actually moved the plot significantly beyond pissing off the villain. See Nappa or Raditz. That could have been foreshadowing perhaps as I cant think why else it was there. The point is you cant call it a deus ex machina and going by your rationale if thats a bad thing in DBs writing because its not explained then so are a million other things in anime. It doesnt need explaining. The power itself isnt that important in the scheme of things.

The Buu saga only came about and retconned the half breed idea because people wanted goku. That is glaringly obvious.

>Gohan is very poorly developed as is his powers, he's there to have a character who is relatable for kids since Goku was no longer a midget

How? Hes one of the more developed in comparison to the rest of the cast at the time. His character has an interesting dichotomy: He has the potential to be the best warrior ever but hates violence. He never wanted to follow in his fathers footsteps he only got to where he was because he had no choice. It was a burden to him as contrasted to goku who more or less had a blast. This is explored with the android saga. Did you miss the scene where piccolo tries to knock some sense into goku in the cell games? That was probably the point of his power at that point. Theres no way you can tell me hes the least explored when characters like goten exist.

I think Hercule was the best villain.

This dude is living it up, he played the long game and he won.

I know right hahahaha

フリーザーじゃねえ

>What's next your going to tell me the voices were better in the original manga?

You fucking bastard! You dare to insult my Nozawa! Now you've pissed me off! Fuck you!!

You're all wrong the best villain was Generalissimo T'ao when he made Goku solve that ring puzzle