Say what you will about this arc, but I'm glad that for the first time ever that someone ASIDE from Goku (or related to Goku), saved the world in the end.
It was Trunks' story, and he deserved to be the hero.
Gokufags, Vegetafags, Gogetafags, Vegitofags, and Gohanfags can get fucked.
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>characterfaggotry is enough to justify this brazen cashgrab and nostalgia pandering
you are as pathetic as those salty faggots
>on "Z"
>Raditz defeated thanks to 3 guys. Piccolo killed him
>Vegeta defeated thanks to 4 guys.Gohan Oozaru crashed Vegeta in the end
>Freeza was Gok-- actually Trunks killed him. And Vegeta cleaned almost every single goon with a final blow
>19 was Vegeta, 20 was 17, 16-18 was Cell. Cell+jrs was Gohan. Future Androids was Trunks to end his future arc.
>Buu was Genki Dama from Earth&space. It was Vegeta's idea. Dende even asked the dragon to heal Goku because Goku forgot he had barely no ki left
>Beerus was never defeated
>Golden Freeza was a retry because rewind magic
>Zamasu was Trunks to end his arc
In Dragon Ball when Goku was a kid won more times, but even then he lost a bunch of times like against Roshi, Tenshinhan and even General Blue if it wasn't for the fucking mouse.
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>for the first time ever
Cell, Radditz, Vegeta
I liked that as well. It's still shit though.
You mean "Gary Stu". Get your terminology right if you're gonna shitpost.
Well, yeah. Dragon Ball Super is shit period, but we already knew that.
>Say what you will about this arc, but I'm glad that for the first time ever that someone ASIDE from Goku
Why do people keep bitching about "hurr hurr Goku saves the day all the time" when most of Dragon Ball's victories are team efforts? Btw Oolong saved the world from Pilaf the first villain in the series.
Also Future Trunks' win is diminish by the fact that it's the biggest asspull in the franchise.
this
If it was executed good and not rushed as fuck and unexplained completely, nobody would bat an eye, but the current state is a fucking outrageous bullshit
Because Goku started off as a fun and lovable main character inspired by the Monkey King from Journey to the West, and then regressed into a shitty manchild Gary Stu ripoff of Superman.
We hate what Goku became and we're sick of him.
I love how the fans are having a fucking autism meltdown over this end, despite it making perfect sense from both a logical, and narrative standpoint.
>logical and narrative standpoint.
It was more ret-coning fusions and then executing it poorly than trunks himself getting the last word, so to speak.
>If they extended the scene of Trunks gathering everyone's energy with nothing happening for 5 episodes it would have been better.
>It was Trunks' story, and he deserved to be the hero.
Stop spouting this pig slop. The Cell arc was Trunks story but he didn't accomplish anything of worth other than making shit even worse due to his interference which was the fucking point that despite him coming from the future he was still and inexperienced twat that didn't know what he was doing and it was with the help of his mentor that he was able to accomplish anything in the end. In Super he's given several bones for no apparent reason other than him being the "it" boy and Toei not giving a shit about consistency or satisfying conclusion just whatever will nab the most audience share hence why they dragged Vegitto into this.
He just basically gathered the Earth's energy like you do for a Spirit Bomb and made a sword out of it. How is that difficult to understand?
Do you literally have to be spoonfed to understand even the most simple of ideas?
Goku in the manga was plenty mature enough, it's in Super that he suddenly became a manchild that doesn't know what a kiss is.
> baited the old kaioshin with porn pics of Bulma
> earth's energy
You mean the energy of a few dozen humans, a turtle and a cyborg?
The Cell arc was absolutely NOT ''Trunks story''. Trunks just served as a new character to keep the cast fresh, and a symbol of the foreboding threat since he had to be there to warn Goku about the future. The Cell arc was Gohan's story, and even then if you ignore the Gohan stuff, it's more of a Vegeta story than anything else.
This entire arc was centered on Trunks. His romance, his relationship with his dad, and his powers and potential, which were barely touched upon in Z. This is Trunks's story.
And among these were goku, vegeta, roshi and yajirobe.
Also it wasn't just the ki itself, the energy just made Trunks unleash the hidden unlimited power every halfsayjin has.
It's called editing you dense motherfucker.
How did Trunks accidentally use a spirit bomb, how did he learn how to form a ki blade, and why was he able to go toe to toe against Zamasu when Goku and Vegeta were both one shotted?
Because it's his story and the writer wanted him to win but they couldn't bther writing something proper.
He got angry.
>dude black's mortal body is having an effect on zamasu's immortal body!
Cool, except Potara is a perfect fusion of both fusees best traits. If Zamasu was immortal, then fused Zamasu should be immortal.
>fusion is only permanent with kais
>fusion lasts only an hour
>powered up trunks kills the fusion of possibly the two most powerful enemies so far
:^)
>Vegito, Prince of all Jobbers
You'd think he would know how to handle energy somehow after all these years of training, battling with gods, etc.
I'd be ok with this if it just made him more powerful instead of having him pull abilities out of his ass. Also he should of reached max mad when his mom was killed right in front of him.
>The Cell arc was absolutely NOT ''Trunks story''.
>He sets everything into motion by coming to the past
>His relationship with the father he never knew is the crux of his development
>HE FUCKING BROUGHT TO THE PAST WHICH IS THE FUCKING MAIN POINT
You're a fucking idiot.
>The Cell arc was Gohan's story,
Gohan was only ever relevant in the last portion of the arc, he does nothing through most of it and unlike Trunks has no fucking ties towards Cell. That arc was less about Gohan and more so about him taking the mantle after Goku which gets completely thrown in the trash in the Buu arc.
>This entire arc was centered on Trunks
Zamatsu gets more development than Trunks in this, everything is just a rehash of shit we already know from him and he's largely a spectator through the majority of it until the last portion where he get a power up out of nowhere for no other reason.
Everything you just said was so, unnecessarily wrong.
The fact that Trunks was the ''main point'' of the arc is nothing to do with the arc itself. Trunks sits on the sidelines like Tien most of the time and does fuck all. When Yamcha got killed by the Saibaman and set the whole story in motion, that doesn't mean he's the central focus. Trunks was a completely new character way back then, so why the flying FUCK would he be the main focus?
>Gohan was only ever relevant in the last portion of the arc, he does nothing through
most of it
Please say you're joking. PLEASE.
>He's largely a spectator through the majority of it
>Literally fights Black multiple times despite the odds
>The entire arc opens up with him, Mai, and the survivors
>He literally took part in every single fucking fight in this arc besides SSJ2 vs Black and SSJ2 vs Zamasu. I shit you not, he literally does. Fuck, he even fights alongside SSJBLUE GOKU despite the odds. Everything you're saying is so objectively wrong it hurts.
Ki shape manipulation must be basic stuff. Remember when goku fought Vegeta and goku was basically crushed so he gave krillin the spirit bomb energy to krillin and told him to shape it into a ball? Also crillin can make the kienzan which is a razor thin disk. Also trunks didn't go toe to toe with Zamazu, Vegito was BTFOing fused zamasu when they fought and weakened him this zamasu falling apart and half of him turning into purple slop. He did shoot some ki blasts on his face which can be strategic since it obstructed his view. Trunks just doesn't give a fuck about the thrill of the fight like the Saiyans do, he's straight to the point. Also remember that genkidama blade thing wasn't just him, it was all of earth's energy plus goku and vegeta which as you know are god level and IIRC spirit bomb energy is effective against evil and the more evil the more effective. Whether it's against a god or a mortal is irrelevant, because evil is evil.
I don't know why I spelled krillin with a c in one instance, but the point still stands.
The Cell arc dealt with Trunks good intentions making shit worse for everyone and his relationship with Vegeta. The arc was suppose to break down his character as an inexperienced novice in the grand scheme of things despite his future knowledge which didn't really help anyone. This is further demonstrated with Super Trunks when he thought that he had grown stronger than Vegeta but as it turns out he had no idea what he was actually doing and got his ass handed to. Hence why its an ironic twist that his future mentor Gohan winded up saving everyone in the end and Trunks winded up learning more from his experience in the past growing stronger as a result to take out the Androids and Cell by himself. Not sure how its Gohan story because he only ever gets focused in the last half which was SUPPOSE to be a passing of the torch to cap off Dragonball but Toriyama fucked all that up.
This arc in comparison is all over the fucking place and ultimately doesn't make sense. Yeah this is "Trunks story" but he doesn't learn or develop anything this time around in fact he's rewarded for his fruitless actions and you Xeno is going to make him a Time Guardian as "punishment" for his actions to tie into Xenoverse in fact you get to know more than enough about Zamasu than anything about Trunks and his retarded future timeline. So this is only Trunks story in the same sense Namek was about Piccolo, he only exists as a set piece for the setting because they were starved for new material and you can tell the same story without using his Future timeline.
To be fair, Zamasu's immortality was unnatural and it's unlikely that the Potara had ever been used under those conditions.
This Arc was just a Xenoverse marketing strategy
Trunks should have died too. He was the one who caused this problem with his time travel in the first place.
I don't mind the Potara Time Limit because it actually explains a plot hole of DBZ, but the way Trunks defeated Zamasu was just an asspull.
If it was something like his inner rage giving him the needed strenght it would be better, but a Genkidama sword? First, no way in hell the energy of the remaining life in Earth would be enough to defeat Zamasu. And when the fuck did Trunks start gathering energy for the Genkidama? This was complete bullshit.
Rushed, to make things even worse. And now they will actually call the Omni-king to truly defeat Zamasu for good. Wow, how utterly retarded.
This arc was going so well, but it all went downhill when Zamasu fused with Black.
Way to jump the shark, Toei.
Nice work.
>Gohanfags
But we haven't done anything in ages!!
>Everything you just said was so, unnecessarily wrong.
How? No seriously you're going to have to explain how the fuck him setting up the courses of events that transpired in the arc makes it not his story.
>The fact that Trunks was the ''main point'' of the arc is nothing to do with the arc itself.
Actually it does BECAUSE HIS FUCKING ACTIONS IS WHAT SETS THE COURSE TO THE FUCKING ARC without Trunks there is no Cell arc because his actions by tampering with the timestream fucked everything up so that he history he envisioned never transpired.
>Trunks sits on the sidelines like Tien most of the time and does fuck all
He defeats mecha Frieza, King Cold at the start of the storyline and then fights Cell one on one during the climax compared to Super where he actually doesn't do anything until the very last moment.
> When Yamcha got killed by the Saibaman and set the whole story in motion, that doesn't mean he's the central focus.
That's a terrible fucking example and doesn't make sense in itself TRUNKS ACTIONS ACTUALLY SET THE COURSE FOR EVERYTHING THAT FUCKING HAPPENED IN THAT ARC Yamcha's death....does nothing.
>Literally fights Black multiple times despite the odds
And jobs everytime, Hell Black never fucking treats him as a threat and after the first time he winds up fighting Goku and Vegeta more
>The entire arc opens up with him, Mai, and the survivors
And?
>He literally took part in every single fucking fight in this arc
He's largely on the sidelines or jobs. Seriously the fights were like clockwork here, Goku and Vegeta would trade punches with Black Trunks interrupts jobs repeat. It seems like he was only added to make people aware that he was still there.
t. Zamasu
Before you say it, yes I know, but he's technically not wrong.
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By your terms doesn't that make the entire Saiyan arc the Raditz show? As Raditz caused it all by coming looking for his brother. In fact even the Frieza arc is in fact Raditz related as if it wasn't for him Vegeta and Nappa would have NEVER went to earth and none of them would've known about the dragonballs. Leaving Namek and Earth to be in their lonesome.
>whining bitch fans 101
The amount of 'power' in it most likely was strongly influenced by the two saiyans with god energy that shot their load in too. Secondly, it is quite clearly shown when the spirit bomb started gathering energy. The moment he powered up and caused that light most likely due to the training with the kai.
It's highly probable that Gohan could've done it too but he never really got a chance to do shit after his training, he didn't even go super saiyan let alone 2 like Trunks was there. In comparison this spirit bomb was FAR smaller than all but the first use of it.
It was smaller than the one Goku used on Namek which was drawing from mostly desolate planets and a clearly desolate Namek.
Fusing it with his sword wasn't just that. What he did was he used the energy sword like Vegito theeen he did the Spirit Saiyan thing that Goku did against the androids in the movie. Then his energy sword was taking from him which was taking from the spirit bomb.
Taadah.
shit is retarded. you should probably have your head checked if you're enjoying this show.
>don't like what I don't like or you are dumb
Do the world a favor and ky
Sigh, it will not get through to you but hell I have time to waste.
It was not about who gets to "defeat" Zamasu, but how it was done. If we were shown Trunks actually gathering the energy at least or maybe Vegeto destroying Zamasu's time ring and weakening him further and then Trunks just flies in for the kill secure, it would've been fine.
But no, we get Zamasu, with no visible damage from the battle with Vegeto being even with Trunks. And Trunks just forms a giant life energy bomb in the sky from out of nowhere. Goku needed to stay in one place and praise the sun to do that shit. Its just dumb, like the writers were like "Time to end this shit, lets go Spirit Saiyajin or something"
>no visible damage
Zamasu was literally falling apart and half of him was liquifying.
>AH YOU WERE AT MY SIDE ALL ALONG
>MY TRUE MENTOR
>MY GUIDING MOONLIGHT
see The db fans of Sup Forums seem so retarded with complaining about everything without even stopping to think. No wonder you all loved like 5 episodes of standing around screaming that we got before. Any amount of story actually just wrecks you all.
Didn't stop him to fight evenly with Vegito and it doesn't matter if Vegito is stronger if the fusion just fails when he uses a bit more power.
I'm just pissed they literally stole this from GT
>combined foe
>fusion to defeat them
>fusion curbstomped them
>fusion ends early
>Spiritbomb GO!
And do you know what the worst part is?
IT'S LITERALLY A WORSE VERSION OF THE BUU SAGA RESOLUTION
They literally shoplifted GT's stolen ending
I'm sorry we're asking for more logical and better structured story. We should try to lower our standards and be satisfied with shit like you.
>Actually following this show
Why when I could just watch reruns of Dbz from when it was actually good?
Do you realize that dragonball super is so bad that I don't even personally consider it canon and I have never done that for any show except dragonball super? It's that bad!
Seriously if you like Dragon Ball Super I just don't know what to say. Liking a show like this is completely beyond me.
Who's the biggest Sue: DBS Trunks or DBM Bra?
At least this made me appreciate GT and luckily for me, they brought it back to TV
To be honest Trunks killing Zamasu can be provided a reasonable explanation. Zamasu's physical body was incredibly weakened after the beatdown by Vegito allowing Trunks to fight on par with him. The energy from Goku and Vegeta, as well as the energy from the few remaining ningen on planet would be sufficient to destroy his physical body. Also, Zamasu isn't dead yet...rather he becomes nigh unstoppable force due to this (his spirit is immortal and you can't really fight against air, basically the same shit as the Goku Black Clones except better)
But it is bullshit that Trunks basically learned the spirit bomb (a hell of a better version too), and that Vegito had some retcons done to him in order for Trunks to steal the spotlight. They could have done something different with how Vegito was to defuse, I wouldn't be mad if Zamasu knew some magic that could unfuse them.
Or you should stop whining like a little bitch and assuming something isn't good cause your dumb shit can't get a grip on it.
You seem to be the only one whining here.
Trunks got the final strike in, but Vegito did most of the work and Zen'o will mop up the mess.
The only thing to be butthurt about is the Fusion retcon, because there were much smoother ways of tagging Trunks in.
>Do you realize that dragonball super is so bad that I don't even personally consider it canon and I have never done that for any show except dragonball super? It's that bad!
Kek, nobody cares. Most people watch it not because it's a masterpiece but because it's cheap fun. It's a kid show.
more headcanon to try and make the writing not shit.
"If you like this then you lowered your standards! It's shit!" That is what you're on about and it is in fact whining. Like. A. Bitch.
>waaah you can't like what I don't, if you do then you have low standards!
Yet you keep whining about it.
>I don't even personally consider it canon
Are you suppose to be someone important who's opinion influences the series in any way?
I don't understand why you would phrase something like that unless you were. That makes no sense.
The ball seemed smaller than during the Buu Saga. Also the people giving him their energy were just right there as opposed as on the other side of the universe. Also they know who Trunks is and were cheering on him to kick the bad guy's ass instead of just following Satan's instruction. And as you said, Goku and Vegeta gave their energy too, and Trunks too with since his sword had his Ki after all (that made wounds that were a bit longer to heal than usually, so Zamasu was on his last rope).
But even if I'm willing to find some explanation, no, it's still bullshit.
I mean, Vegeta in the end of the Saiyan Saga got defeated through the teamwork of Krillin, Gohan and Yajirobe, but it didn't look like bullshit since Vegeta's state was visible enough to know where everyone was standing. Here with Zamasu it's hard to tell who is stronger than who at any given point and why.
>implying that trunks wasn't a gary stu on Z
>n-no u
Wew you are more a bitch than thought, do I need to grab you by the pussy?
>Followed
And no one pulled techniques and power up out of their ass.
Its funny cause everything you say seems to fit exactly you.
its b8 m8
Neat, you know it fits minus the obvious fact that I said you were whining and you replied with the quintessential "no u". But no you clearly have a solid understanding of anything.
would've made more sense if they actually charged up a Genki Dama instead of it randomly appearing.
>Will he save the future! The last fight against Zamasu! Trunks is rewarded after his impassioned desire to protect humanity leads to renewed strength to fight against Zamasu! However, Zamasu is not defeated as was thought and his body gradually begins to envelop the sky and to restart once more!!
Goku didn't defeat Raditz, Vegeta or Cell, he didn't kill Freiza and other people's energy was required to beat Buu.
Moving on to SuperS, he didn't beat Breeus, he kinda beat Golden Freiza, he didn't beat Hit and he didn't beat Zamasu
Goku doesn't exactly have an excellent record. He's only beaten fodder and Freiza.
Basically happy ending denied.
At least Zeno gets the kill guys, he isn't an asspull.
If Z was airing today, people would complain about how Goku just now conveniently mentioned the fusion dance after knowing about it since before the Cell Saga, SS3, Gohan getting a free powerup with no real effort involved, convenient Potara, etc. In fact, nearly every game-changing technique in all of DB was introduced out of the blue the moment it was needed with no buildup. I'm not saying that this wasn't an asspull, but this is Asspull: the anime. I think you're giving the rest of the series a free pass on this.
Didn't he get his ass handed to him 3 different times?
All shonens are asspull the anime, it seems DB fans have an inability to grasp this.
You can say a lot of things. That doesn't magically make them true. Its exactly because you used whine first proves that you're the one whining.
>all those retcons of potara mechanics
>trunks somehow beats a powerful immortal being fused with another powerful being with a fusion technique that only incorporates the best attributes of both fusees while also multiplying the power of each fusee times eachother with the combined energy of like 30 dudes.
yeah super is still shit, nothing new here. At least the fight was entertaining and well-animated(for DBS standards)
He wasn't.
Sure his introduction screams Sue.
>Another Super Saiyan! (at that time only Goku got it)
>Completely destroyed Freeza and Cold (Freeza gave Goku a good fight on Namek)
>He's the son of Vegeta and Bulma! From the futuuuuuuuuuuuure.
But he had some flaws (inexperience, mostly), insecurities (wanted to be on good term with his father, who was an ass), didn't bend the plot toward him everytime (in fact he only became secondary to the plot as a way to show Vegeta's character development), failed a lot of time (got reckt by 18, Cell didn't even had to fight but just break his spirit).
So overall he wasn't THAT bad, nor sueish. But in DBS, dear boy...
No, the equivalent of this would be Goku mentioning the fusion dance, showing it once to Goten and Trunks and they just do it perfectly on the sport in front of him.
What is Z's biggest ass pull?
I think Freeza being able to obliterate the God killer with 4 months of training is the strongest one
That is the most retarded work around I've ever heard. In your mind because I pointed out you were whining about it, I am in fact somehow whining and your response of "no u" was in fact not a "no u" and instead my first post at all was instead the "no u". Despite you not having said shit about it before hand so I couldn't be saying "no u".
It's stupid enough I had to explain such a bland and retarded conversation and has left me to assume you ride the short bus to school.
Like this is sjw level of mental gymnastics you are doing.
How about Roshi using the Kamehameha and Goku immediately doing it after seeing it just once? Would that be an asspull comparable to this?
Goku being a fucking alien
>retarded
>bitch
>"no u"
you're putting in less effort than the guys that wrote the episode we're discussing.
>Goku just now conveniently mentioned the fusion dance after knowing about it since before the Cell Saga
Didn't he learned it in the After-life?
> SS3
And that form was useless when it really mattered.
> Gohan getting a free powerup with no real effort involved
That's Gohan for you.
>convenient Potara
Yeah, here I have nothing.
In z? SS3 both Goku pulling that shit out of his ass randomly and Gotenks just doing it without a second thought cause "lel fuzon"
*I mean Majin Buu
>they got it right on their first try
>what is Fat/Skinny Gotenks
Wew nice strawman
>Didn't he learned it in the After-life?
I'm pretty sure he mentioned that he learned it during his trip through space. Something about a race that was super weak but used the fusion dance to be powerful. Sure would have come in handy against Cell, wouldn't it?
>Shit, I have nothing good to say, better use the strawman card
Gotenks constantly hinted at his secret technique though
>But in DBS, dear boy
I'm not caught up, but up to the point I'm at he's not Sue-ish at all. Goku and Vegeta fags are just mad about the ending. Prior to that, Trunks started off looking pretty weak for needing to crawl back to the other timeline in the first place. Vegeta then dominates him and calls him out on this, stating that if he's really his son that he needs to become strong enough to deal with any future threats that show up after Black; this is after he had been continuously shocked by the power of Goku and Vegeta, giving up, and coming to the conclusion that he shouldn't even bother since they could handle it. Taking out Black was the only way to keep him from looking completely lame.
Says the one that had to use the fallacy to try to come out the victor cause he knew his whole "no u" card failed.
Not an asspull, but an anti-climax. It'd be like if Cell had a button on him that said "DO NOT PRESS" and Vegeta pressed it while he was occupied with Gohan.
Sorry for the shit traduction, but he says he met them in the After-life.
That's not the point, how did he just 'learn' to go ss3 by fusing? In comparison why didn't any of the fusions including Goku, who could go ss3 prior to it, go ss3?
And if it was so easy to learn why didn't Vegeta go ss3 the next time we saw him?
I like it all but the point is just like all shonen it's all ass pulls and power creep
Oh. I thought it was in space. I still think it would be considered an asspull by Sup Forums, though.
I don't know if this is filler/anime only, but it's when they wait for Buu in the Time Chamber it sounds like they practiced