Communists, GET. IN. HERE

I have been reading many books lately on Communism, the Soviet Union. Mao China, Marx etc. I would love to have a debate with you on the good, bad and ugly, whether it could ever work, truths, lies etc. Basically, try to persuade me on the wonders of communism and why is should implemented.
But before you do, to prove your worthiness for debate and that you are not a shill, give me an explanation on why this would not happen if implemented:

>Communism generally removes individual incentives. Some people might think this is a benefit, since it eliminates greed and inequality, but it also destroys any sort of incentive to work hard. When you are compensated roughly the same regardless of how much you work, how strong you are, or how smart you are, why would anyone put in more than the minimal effort? Game theory works well here: if 1000 people work hard, everyone is 1000 times better off...until one person realizes he can do the bare minimum and still reap the rewards. Then the second, then the third, etc.

>banned from all the communist leaning forums without answers for posting this.

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Persuade me on why I should vote for this man at the next election.

jews dont debate, they scheme, thats why youll never have a rational discussion with a commie

I wont to know why this would be a better world.

>answer OP first

There has to be a communist brave enough? If they could take me to town on the OP and prove me wrong in debate, it would surely hep their case.

Why is this a lie?

>After the OP

I know at least a few of you have ventured into this bread. Don't be scared and prove me wrong.

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communism does not work, face it kiddo

have a bump OP, lets see if they come

Sage

Is that...Corbyn? What is he doing in midts of Commie flags? isn't he Labour aka Social Democrat?

Him and McDonnell are full blown Marxists. (There are videos of them admitting it on YT) Look up momentum to.

The OP question gets them every time. I can't seem to find a communist anywhere that will give me a straight answer.

most likely because it leads to statements such as:
"other workers will keep an eye on them"
"they will be dealt by a dedicated group of workers who look for people like that"
"purposely halting productivity should be a criminal offence"
all going down the slippery slope of "what do you mean I cant have a slave population living and working in gulags?"

I did not even get a reply on a sub-reddit called (debate a communist) kek.

Judging by the way you wrote this you're either a HUGE, massive faggot, or a shill of some kind. Either way, you should feel bad.

can't find it :( can you help us out?

Exactly, it always ends up by being made to do it with force or threat of imprisonment.

Yea good luck getting some commie to debate with you op, never seen that happen.

Why arent you starving yet.

oh I know capitalism

John Martin McDonnell is a British Labour Party politician who was appointed the Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer.

>basically, Corbyns right hand man.

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don't mind me just stopping by to remind everyone the only good commie pig is a dead commie pig have a great day

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Don't look at the SU, China or the Eastern Bloc back then, commies and socialists will always call it "State Capitalism" since the state owned the means of productions, not the workers and peasants

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ok...sight...I'll play devils advocate, for sake of debate and intellectual development. btw: there was discord for debates, anyone knows what happened to it?

In communism - described as classless, monyless, abundance utopia. Well there would be no workers at all, but as Marx somewhere described it paraphrasing it now..."in the morning man would fish, Afternoon he would engage in critics of phiposphoy and at night he would act in theatre, without ever becoming fisherman, philosopher or actor." So, it is hard to imagine what communist society would actually look like - it is kinda a utopic goal for all commies to look for, like heaven for religious people - Dostoevsky has nice writings about that and comparing commies and religious people, to be alike.

Not that THEY will call them denounce them as communist, but never did any regime call itself Communist. If you look their official name, they are all socialist republics. Soviet Union full name is Soviet Union of Socialist Republics, Official Name of Yugoslavia was, Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia etc.

wow
They got Marxist as MP :O wtf

Communism will never work with a human at the top. True communism will emerge when we allow an AI that holds no bias to calculate the best resource allocation for maximum human benefit. After that, it will simply be up to us to implement the instructions we are given to the best of our ability.

>In communism - described as classless, monyless, abundance utopia. Well there would be no workers at all, but as Marx somewhere described it paraphrasing it now..."in the morning man would fish, Afternoon he would engage in critics of phiposphoy and at night he would act in theatre, without ever becoming fisherman, philosopher or actor." So, it is hard to imagine what communist society would actually look like - it is kinda a utopic goal for all commies to look for, like heaven for religious people - Dostoevsky has nice writings about that and comparing commies and religious people, to be alike.

That does not really make any sense to me. As every man has different desires. We need competitiveness, risk takers, individual incentives, the possibility of wealth, climbing hierarchies, nicer car, house etc. Without incentives man would crumble. We have been aiming for nicer things, better women and more power since we were lobsters in the sea. But yes, I can see how that makes sense religiously to certain people.

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>will simply be up to us to implement the instructions we are given to the best of our ability.

and what if we decide not to and refuse?

Kek

>to prove your worthiness

too much text

daily reminder Trotsky murdered thousands of anarchists at Kronstadt for defying him

Trust me communism doesn't work.
> You subsidised everything.
> People dont work because its all free.
> No difference whether you work or not.
> Nothing gets done.
> It all goes to shit.

You can't have communism without slaves. And slaves will work as little as possible.
Productivity goes to shit.
Most people will definitely not be happy.

>Persuade me on why I should vote for this man at the next election.

He's pro EU. EU is a market oriented union with hundreds of thousands of lobbyists and politicians working together to prevent competition for corporations that operate within the confines of the eu.

He is a larper

only children and retards believe in communism, you grow out of that utopian shit once you start living in the real world and understand that people does not work well together.

> The collective is more important than the individual.
I spit on people with this view.

>Communism generally removes individual incentives

no kidding

one guy wants to spend all day at the beach and another guy wants to work 70 hour weeks so he can buy a house at 25. each should be rewarded appropriately

He is leading the polls desu

Then the system doesn't function or functions at less then peak efficiency. What did you think would happen. Inaction is fruitless.

>He is leading the polls

yes, just like the establishment
he's a godsend for eu corporations / international corporations

at least they will throw lefty faggots under the bus after he Fucks over brexit and destroys the working class and Britain, its going to be the establishment scapegoat.