I have a question for alt righters/ white nationalists. A lot of time on Sup Forums is spent bemoaning the current state of degeneracy we are living in but how would you go about changing it? What specific policies and laws would you implement in your home countries? What would be your ideal nation?
I ask this as someone who is not exactly a fellow traveller but is broadly sympathetic to your arguments.
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I gave up on changing it. I think the only way we're going to stop it at all, is by dropping out of society on mass and paying less taxes as individuals due to lower incomes. This will result in all of our social services collapsing, then the government will import more foreigners in desperation to pay the existing pensions. (Who they already don't have the money for. Watch the age of retirement consistently increase.) Then this will culminate in increasing social unrest as the existing members of these immigrant communities finally navigate their way to the Middle Class and become educated enough to realize what's going on. They'll then rile their compatriots up and the government will be more openly anti-white than you've ever even seen. The only hope we have of fixing this degeneracy isn't civil war, it's not violent revolution, it's NEVER going to be democracy. Peaceful protest Ghandi style is the only way. Enough Men have to stake their own path, take lower paying jobs become more traditional and less materialistic consumers and that will crash the economy. Otherwise no, our cause is fundamentally hopeless.
>Panem Et Circenses
Either get /comfy/ or give up.
>Criminalize communism
>Criminalize neo communism
>Nativist enforcement laws
>Free pussi for all males
That is quite literally never going to happen. We'd have to win first and in which case, that'd be sealing the long term efficacy of our position not a remedy to our current situation.
>Criminalize democracy
>Build bot army
>Hunt feminists, cucks, muslims supremacists and lgbt commie fags down
>Send them to Canada and Sweden
>State sponsored ultra realist VR porn
>Make anime real
>Handjob and blowjob coffee houses everywhere
>le Fascist hand meme
Ok every married white women gets a 30k loan and each white kid they have takes 10k off that loan and that can be used to get her a college education or what ever she wants to do with it.
Repeal the Hart-Celler Act and the Civil Rights Act. Abolish all "protected classes" and allow individuals and private businesses to discriminate at will. Strictly enforce immigration laws and deport all illegals. I think most Americans here can agree on that much. Going further though, I'd also like to see a cash incentive offered to low-IQ individuals to be voluntarily sterilized.
Never going to happen. They're not going to explicitly benefit Whites at the expense of minorities, and if your legislation went through you'd just see Hispanics and Asians taking the most advantage of this. Further draining the public coffers.
This.
I'm not saying that it would happen I'm just showing something that could be done, and the point of it would be so that it would just be white people who benefit from it like how non whites benefit from affirmative action.
You know, once Whites become a minority you will be BEGGING for a Civil Rights act.
Imagine when you are 20-30% of the population, with the way the pendulum is swinging and open season on whites. Just imagine, you won't be able to sit in a restaraunt, go to a theatre, PoC only water fountains, hell PoC only EVERYTHING. You will be outbumbered.
The Civil Rights act disproportionately benefited a small section of the population, but what will you do when YOU are the small section of the population? You really want to get rid of the piece of paper that protects you from the tyranny of the majority?
>piece of paper that protects you
This only happens with a white majority.
Only married men with children that own property, have undergone basic military training can vote.
There should be no "political parties" you should vote on individuals not groups.
Remove no fault divorce.
Make state funded schools illegal.
Jews are not allowed to live in the country, and any company or bank that have ANY ties to jews are not allowed within the country.
Throw out the racial strangers and add some mengelian laws and we'll be at mars within 40 years.
What do you all think it would take to for a white nationalist government to rise to power in the US?
Another civil war.
National socialism in Germany was pretty good. That would be a good start for us.
Encourage gym/fitness/sports in all people, especially boys/men
Heavy taxes on alcohol because so many are low key alcoholics but not judged as such because our idea of dependency has changed
Discourage the use of birth control pills because women are precious and shouldn't aim to poison their bodies (I see so many children being born underweight and have tubes put in their noses right after birth)
Help in housing for Europeans and families
A complete overhaul in education, more and more people pass their GCSEs every year except we're dropping in literacy and maths globally
Weapons training after which you can get a gun licence (I used to laugh at American gun laws until I noticed the invasion of Europe and rape epidemics)
Execute all freemasons and expel pro-jew Jews
Outlaw Zionism
Nationalise the banks and remove interests on loans
Implement a "European preservation act" which encourages European births and a tax on all non-europeans, we helped them with billions in social programs and foreign aid so it's time for them to return the favour
Many more but these are off the top of my head.
Also watch The Greatest Story Never Told, know our history.
Sounds great, but it also sounds typical. This has been the model for ideal countries for centuries, yet we've gotten into an awkward position where it's difficult to reenact this policies.
Natural selection selects against degeneracy.
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Civil war, there's no way we can "save" our countries by going the parliamentary way, democracy doesn't mean that the people rule, it means that the controllers of the flow of information to the people rule, and we all know (((who))) that is, that and a far to hasty demographic shift.
Whats the alt right?
Doing eugenics is doing the moral imperative.
I don't think the difficulty to implement our ideas are the ideas fault if that's what you're implying
>What specific policies and laws would you implement in your home countries?
Only war can fix this.
I agree. The trick is making it palatable for normies, which is why I specified voluntary sterilization. It's hard to find any ethical objection to that unless you go fairly deep into SJW territory. Most people believe in the free will meme, so if you replace something compulsory with something voluntary plus an incentive, they're more inclined to accept it despite the end results being the exact same.
Hello Muhammad.
The main goal should be removing jews from any positions of influence like politics, media and academia. Once that takes place, nature will take over and degeneracy will be all but gone. The main obstacle now is awakening enough people to the jew menace before western civilization is completely gone.
What's the alt-right?
why would I want to change it when I can look down on its ruins and reign like a king when it collapses?
The sooner this 45% white shitheap of a half vacant shopping mall that masquerades as a country collapses the better.
"Change it".
GTFO with that shit.
right, only muslims are against liberalism/marxism
And muslims totally support throwing out non whites
This may be true, but what you fail to realize is that red-pilled whites have a tendency to band together, but more importantly, whites have the motivation to work and to build their societies. If whites become a minority and start becoming the oppressed class, they will eventually break away and develop their own white enclave and build a new society, while niggers, spics, and other degenerates fuck up the country. And when all the whites leave, the country will inevitably collapse, while the whites reap the fruits of their own labors. White flight is real, and oppressing the only truly productive class of Americans will only accelerate that process.
That wasn't my intended implication. I meant to describe that the legal solution is well understood, but the means of passing these laws is where we struggle. This is not the fault of the preferable laws, rather it is the fault of the current laws.
The truth is that if you get to a point were you need the state to intervene regarding the moral/social customs of the masses, it's already too late.
this was true as late as the turn of the century. Chinks and Poos can now serve as suitable replacements to whites to keep the machinery running and there is a pool of 2 billion to draw from.
Hell, Leaftopia is doing this now.
For a practical example of this, look up Orania.
Islam is in the same way degenerate as christcuckery. Both are universalist and majority of muslims are not white, shitbrain.
what the fuck
Reality, cuckboy.
So all jews go to Israel or what? What about people who are only part Jewish?
Also won't poor people bring unable to go to school just create an easily manipulated underclass?
Even if the chinks and poos can keep the lights on and the water running, that kind of strictly colored America will eventually collapse itself from overzealous socialist/communist legislation, civil unrest/high levels of violent crime, or corrupt government mismanagement. They will either decay into failure under a totally democratic society or they will oppress themselves in a totalitarian regime. Either way, they will need whites to maintain any semblance of true law, order, peace, or liberty
>So all jews go to Israel or what?
I personally don't like the idea of a jewish state, but my preferred solution just sound edgy
>What about people who are only part Jewish?
Mengelian laws
>Also won't poor people bring unable to go to school just create an easily manipulated underclass?
The state isn't really known for teaching children how to think for themselves, even if people with my politics were in charge of schools I'd rather be safe than sorry.
Buddy I don't even know what we're arguing about.
"II-4c: Percentage of Bachelor's Degrees Awarded to Members of Traditionally Underrepresented Racial/Ethnic Groups,* by Humanities Discipline, 1995–2015"
They're not going to be able to keep the lights running if America becomes [x < 50%] white.
Over half of Bachelor degrees minority kids get are useless.
Non-Europeans who want to live in European majority nations must first be sterilised before they're given residency. Then they have the choice if they want to come to us or go to the hundreds of other countries that exist and are perfectly habitable.
What's to stop a private school doing the same? So long as children are taught the values of faith family and patriotism I don't see a problem. It also ensures that society is more merit based.
Freemasons? You realise that these days those guys are pretty much just Larping as templars right?
Also no interest on loans sounds like an economic suicide.
The chance/risk that private schools are gonna teach blind loyalty to the state is far lower that state funded education surley, and with private schools the parents are able to send their children to schools that have values that the parents support.
Also moden "school" is not some force of nature, children don't have to be crammed into some building that often literally have the actitecture of a prison and use a prussian system of education that was created to create factory workers and soliders.
There are other ways to teach new generations morals and how the world works, and I'd rather leave that responsibility in the hands of the child's parents than some state that might very well turn bad once more.
>how would you go about changing it
Back of the hand until the degenerate stops being a faggot. People are so fucking stupid these days that pain is the only way they will learn, and sadly some people will still stick their hand on a stove burner several times before they learn it is to hot.
Right of free association would go a long way. Remove discrimination laws entirely. It works both ways, but unfairly. Hispanics have been discriminating against Anglos my whole life & long before that.
That said, people shouldn't be forced on one another- as long as it works both ways.
A big part of our problem is manners & decorum. We let social standards slip so far that it emboldened special interests to pursue it legally. And then, we rolled over and didn't oppose what happened.
Now, it's a brawl and at the rate it's going, it will be an outright civil war at some point.
Somebody either needs to get out, that civil war should just go ahead & happen, or people need to remember how to treat one another with respect & decency, PDQ.
The problem is the lack of reciprocity. The left/ communists are going for these "social justice" things, they're going for absolute, totalitarian power and control.
Where the hell are you getting this shit? The purpose of a formal education shouldn't be about teaching values or how the world works, that's up to parents. The point is to pass on a body of knowledge that can only be taught by those trained in it I. E. science maths history etc.
>created to create factory workers and soldier
When will this meme die? The while point of socialised education was that poorer children could be uplifted through learning and become MORE than just factory workers and soldiers.
>The while point of socialised education was that poorer children could be uplifted through learning and become MORE than just factory workers and soldiers.
It was the point, user, but quickly got manipulated.
We need a massive war and millions need to die. That's the only way to change.
>The purpose of a formal education shouldn't be about teaching values
I agree, but a state funded school WILL sooner or later do that, and it often runs the risk of becoming mandatory.
>The point is to pass on a body of knowledge that can only be taught by those trained in it I. E. science maths history etc.
I agree, however I believe that it should be up to the parents, not the state how to raise their children, and what kind of education they'll get, and I don't think it would be insane to imagine that there could be other ways to teach people than what we traditionally would call a school system, but if that's what parents want for their child they are free to do so.
As to your view on the purpose of the Prussian model we'll have to agree to disagree.
1# Set of policies are to reinvigorate economic growth in the country, bring manufactory back.
2# Reduce excessive government regulation, and beauracracy, only expand to what is needed as related to the tasks and functions of every branch, and agency.
#3 Sanction, revise education programs with naturalistic programs, educate youths on the importance of human principles, virtues, values. Understand whats essential, why theyre esstential, study them under so the next generation upholds Honor, Duty, and Loyalty.
Teach History.