EU Army (PESCO) - why did 5 of 28 states not join up?

I understand the UK, they are leaving the EU.

But why did Denmark, Portugal, Malta and Ireland not join up? Any anons on here from those countries who know what is going on?

Why are you not standing with Germany and France? In varietate unitas, guys! In varietate unitas! UNITAS!

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_European_Union_opt-out_referendum,_2015
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauldron_(Bond_novel)?wprov=sfla1
bbc.com/news/world-europe-37196802
dw.com/en/hungary-pm-viktor-orban-aims-to-militarize-the-school-system/a-40088250
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Fuck off juncker, you look like a pedophile and you sound like a faggot.

What are you trying to pull? Your government joined up to the EU army. You are spearheading the whole agenda!

I know we fucking suck but really now, standing with france and germany?

Ireland is probably scared of the anglos, portugal and malta are literally non countries, what would they even contribute? Souvenir paddlers? And idk what's up with denmark, but it's not like they matter either.

Pesco is not meant to have a navy in the Atlantic.

The UK is america's water-proxy in the region.

Implying "my" goverment can make me even get up from bed.

We are a DEFENCIVE force, not offensive.
And my defence stops right where Finland stops.

>I know we fucking suck but really now, standing with france and germany?

Standing with France and Germany is synonymous with "standing with Israel/US", dude. You know that, I know that, everyone knows that.

We want all the gibs from the eu without doing any share of the work. Does that really suprise you?

>Pesco is not meant to have a navy in the Atlantic.
No?

OR the Germany navy - also operating in the Atlantic.

Denmark doesn't trust you. Portuguese haven't been bribed. Ireland has outsourced it's defense to UK, so they don't really care. Malta... who knows.

>AI used in military applications
Surely nothing could go wrong with this. You never hear about any prominent names in science or technology mention how this is a terrible idea.

Denmark has to do things differently, Portugal and Ireland believe they don't actually have to do anything since they are on the periphery of Europe as far away from traditional front as possible, and Malta disagreed on a provision about no net casinos or tax havens for the troops.

Yeah really, why are the portuguese so fucking worthless?

>the EU army is just scaremongering

>GORCH FOCK

Where are your aircraft carriers?

>Portuguese haven't been bribed
Isn't Portugal not yet joining due to their communist government?

Our cabinet is full of scum who despise democracy and are willing sell interest of Finnish for a well paid job in Brussels once they become dead meat in domestic politics. BTW we also signed a bilateral deal with UK for increased defense cooperation with them.

its gonna be awesome once you guys start spending on a military and cant afford those welfare programs. these millions of niggers and muslims are gonna start rioting as soon as their welfare doesnt come in.

>You never hear about any prominent names in science or technology mention how this is a terrible idea.
Not here in Europe. We are very pro-AI and put quite some money in it. We believe putting AI into the 21st century military is a big step forward to protect European soldiers from harm on the battlefield.

GIVE ME AN AI WAIFU ALREADY

>Where are your aircraft carriers?
They do not exist. We never had any. Not even in ww2. So if we never had any aircraft carriers ever, why have them now?

Our constitution says, our military is strictly for defense purposes only. Fighting in Afghanistan was actually a huge stretch for us constitutionally. We refused to invade Iraq with your and the US and refused to participate in the Libya bombings. So why would we need aircraft carriers to project power? We also have no overseas territories whatsoever.

So I hope you see that it makes absolutely no sense for us to operate aircraft carriers. For Syria, we just station our airplanes in Jordan (before we stationed them in Turkey, but then we got into a diplomatic fight with Erdogan over the 2016 coup).

What happens if two countries dont agree on a policy change? Who's going to invade who

>you guys start spending on a military and cant afford those welfare programs

To be honest, a bit more spending would do wonders for the German economy. We currently ride the budget surplus train - we are on track for 35% of GDP national debt by 2025. That is fucking low. We already pay NEGATIVE interest rates (i.e. get money from creditors) on our debt.

Better question is, what if someone decides to go poke the beehive in some other questionable nation and destroys all of europe again?

>RULE BRITANNIA

Looks like it's about time for round 3, I guess.

>What happens if two countries dont agree on a policy change?

When has this ever happened?

Ok, but if it does happen, then the same thing as in NATO comes into play. The country which doesn't want to go to war, doesn't do shit. Germany disagreed with bombing Gaddafi and so Germany just didn't take part in that one.

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their soldiers will just do a mutiny as soon as we drop the first jdam.

>When has this ever happened?
>Ok, but if it does happen

I've heard that all british railways are privatised and owned by french and german companies, what's up with that?

MAYBE THEY DON'T WANT TO FIGHT FOR NEO-LIBERAL GLOBAL INTERESTS YOU DUMB FUCKING KRAUT

EU army is just american army

>denmark
they have an army?
>portugal
they literally have no one to go to war with
>malta
yeah sure, what germany and france really need is all 5 of malta's citizens joining the army
>ireland
come on m8, they went to war for others for centuries, give them a break

5/28 not yet corrupted by the jew

>why would we ever need to attack someone not immediately next to our country in a war scenario

You really haven't thought this one through Hans.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Rail

Key people
Sir Peter Hendy (Chairman)
Mark Carne (Chief Executive

very German sounding names you dumb fucker

>Why are you not standing with Germany and France?
Maybe they remember what happened the previous two times

>The EU Army is an American Army
Take your meds user. The EU Army will soon be the new army for the coming European caliphate. You chose your future

Sorry to bust your bubble, user
but
from Lisbon Treaty, article 42 pt. 3
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3. Member States shall make civilian and military capabilities available to the Union for the implementation of the common security and defence policy, to contribute to the objectives defined by the Council. Those Member States which together establish multinational forces may also make them available to the common security and defence policy.

Member States shall undertake progressively to improve their military capabilities. The Agency in the field of defence capabilities development, research, acquisition and armaments (hereinafter referred to as “the European Defence Agency”) shall identify operational requirements, shall promote measures to satisfy those requirements, shall contribute to identifying and, where appropriate, implementing any measure needed to strengthen the industrial and technological base of the defence sector, shall participate in defining a European capabilities and armaments policy, and shall assist the Council in evaluating the improvement of military capabilities.

(lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lisbon-treaty/treaty-on-european-union-and-comments/title-5-general-provisions-on-the-unions-external-action-and-specific-provisions/chapter-2-specific-provisions-on-the-common-foreign-and-security-policy/section-2-provisions-on-the-common-security-and-defence-policy/129-article-42.html)
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And this means You Will Go to Hungary and start shooting those evil nationalists there if your slavers decide so.

(EU [EUSSR] is a fucked concept. Exit.)

>Criticism has also arisen due to the fact many of the private companies are themselves owned by the state-owned transport concerns of other nations, including the largest freight operator. Several passenger franchises are owned either in part or in full by subsidiaries or joint ventures of Deutsche Bahn, the German state operator, SNCF (French), and Nederlandse Spoorwegen (Dutch).

>lets form a multi-national army with no protections from said army determined by those nations
Perfect fucking recipe for tyranny, user. Germany is looking for round 3.

>AI
Pic related, it btw has a kike inside.

That's the trains.

It's blatantly obvious they're jus going to use a joint power to exert influence over non compliant member states when they refuse to go with the (((agenda))). They couldn't persuade Hungary and Poland to accept rapefugees with economic influence so now they will resort to force.

The people voted against more EU back in 2015, see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_European_Union_opt-out_referendum,_2015

lets make germay and frace great again

Portuguese here. Our shitty socialist govenment is most likely just waiting on a bribe.

Okay, so you got the rails but not the trains, I got it.

>Operation Overlord 2 European Boogaloo intensifies
I'll see you on the beach

So what you said was factually incorrect, so I called you a dumb fucker.

>Maybe they remember what happened the previous two times
Portugal was neutral in ww1 and ww2.

Malta was British territory in both world wars.

Denmark was occupied in ww2 (but didn't really see much in terms of shit) and was neutral in ww1.

And finally, Ireland was part of the UK in ww1 until it started to wage a war of independence against the British Empire, then in ww2 it was neutral.

When a country like Poland or Hungary takes a hard stand and EU army invades, we're probably going to have to ship out and beat their pussy european asses again.

This is why I'll stick with NATO

shouldn't you be making some autistic thread about fusion reactors or something?

It's getting really easy to spot your posting style.

Because they can see you are going to fuck up and military force Poland and the other to accept the new world order by force...and then they gonna fall on your like a hammer.
Hope the US jumps in it too.

Denmark: seriously considering banging out of the EJEW
Portugal: Oldest ally
Malta: little england
Ireland: MUH NUTRALITY

Ever read a book called "Cauldron"?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauldron_(Bond_novel)?wprov=sfla1

Looks like Anglo Pride World Wide is going to have to take down the Jerry cucks again.

Orbán is really into about the eu army though.

bbc.com/news/world-europe-37196802

Well you know, rails are cool but they're kinda useless without trains so technically they're still owned by foreign governments.

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>Germoney demanding loyalty of the EU
EU army is going to be used to muscle you all to comply with whatever edicts are issued from Brussels, drafted by Berlin of course.

>born just in time to see an AI achieving the final solution

He fucked up with this.
I think everybody was blatantly lied to with this one or just forgot about tis Lisbon treaty clause.

I can't wait to die in a trench with you faggots.

But pith and power, till my last hour,
I'll mak this declaration;
We're bought and sold for English gold-
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation

>Portugal was neutral in ww1
Kraut education.

*this

Because fuck you, that's why.
This same bullshit is why Brexit happened in the first place. No one in my country wants to die in some Jewish war started by an oversized and unelected bureaucratic body, so your country can let them be replaced by a bunch of fucking boat people.

Orbán is a lot sneakier than you think, he knows that the eu army will happen and he wants to be around the tables. He's also looking to establish a V4 army within the EU army so they can't attack themselves. And he's been militarising pretty heavily, I think they enlisted more troops in the last 2 years than in the last 2 decades.

It'd be an honour. At least we don't speak in gobblydook European trash language.

Why do germans always have to ruin everything for everyone god damn it?

>shouldn't you be making some autistic thread about fusion reactors or something?

What's more pathetic, to shitpost about the EU army, Poland and fusion power in your free time while doing other work in parallel... OR being so immersed into Sup Forums you actually know the style of posting from reading these threads?

Anyway, all these threads are actually politics related. Are your threads truly politics related? Are your responses? Be honest.

Portugal’s military budget is practically subsidized by the U.S. They’d probably lose their military if they joined the EU Army

its in their DNA, theyre barbarians.

I'm not that immersed in Sup Forums .

I work 10-12 hours a day and post here only on evenings and weekends.

Despite that I can always come on Sup Forums and find your autistic thread either about

A) Brexit
B) Fusion reactors
C) The EU Army.

The fact I can ALWAYS see you here no matter what time of day or day of the week I am here, shows that you on the spectrum.

How's your Nuclear option?

Good luck with this...
Reality with EU army will be that national armies will be sabotaged and fucked over, then dismantled into one pot.

No survivors this time?

Your shitty socialist government is the reason why Germany couldn't do to you, what they did to Greece. And they are also right to deny the EU army. This is just a fucked up project to force through a neoliberal agenda in non-compliant countries

This. EU army is not for defense of Europe or Europeans. It is to protect the EU, even if it means oppressing member states and their citizens.

>This same bullshit is why Brexit happened in the first place. No one in my country wants to die in some Jewish war started by an oversized and unelected bureaucratic body, so your country can let them be replaced by a bunch of fucking boat people.

Are you sure?

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Lynn Boylan, a member of the European Parliament for the Dublin Constituency, said that the new EU defense framework would undermine the Ireland’s principle of neutrality.
MOSCOW (Sputnik) — The new EU defense framework, effectively a duplicate of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), will undermine the Ireland’s principle of neutrality if signed by the nation's government, Lynn Boylan, a member of the European Parliament for the Dublin Constituency told Sputnik.

On Monday, Ireland's Minister of Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney said that Ireland’s involvement in a new EU defense framework, the Permanent Structured Cooperation on security and defense (PESCO), will go to Ireland’s cabinet within a couple of weeks.

"Participation in PESCO will completely undermine Irish neutrality; PESCO is a further step in creating a fully-fledged EU defense union … As a neutral nation Ireland does not participate in military alliances such as NATO. PESCO undermines this position as it is seen by both European leaders and NATO as complementing the European [equivalent] of NATO," Boylan said.

On the floor of the Baltic sea :(

THIS.

Because the EU is one of the main reasons Europe is collapsing. Some countries enjoy the concept of national sovereignty.

How they were able to not be part of Spain I have no idea

>A) Brexit
I don't post on Brexit.
>B) Fusion reactors
I do, although I have seen copycat threads from others using the same meme.

>C) The EU Army.
I have also seen many copycat threads on this one.

Guess what, I have 60-70hr work weeks myself. I am in the fucking office right now, just sipping my coffee and listening in to a freaking conference call... fucking Burgers on that call (from London) LOVE to talk crisis shit on the weekend.

>kikeslaves rushing to their deaths to save the chosen people.gif
Amerimutts excited about being best goys again?

the EU must die

What makes them think that we let them keep the clay after ww3 after we win of course

>Guess what, I have 60-70hr work weeks myself. I am in the fucking office right now

Nobody believes that though.

I'll ask for a timestamp, you'll ignore it though because you won't provide any proof as we all know you're a weird autist making the same threads on the same 3 topics every day for months.

US France and Germany should invade England and bring them full democracy. And I hope they adopt dollar or euros.

nah, other way around. US,uk and russian militaries are gonna curb stomp these socialist fucks yet again.

They can try but we all know what happened with the other 2 world wars

Hi there bongs. Got the empire running again?

Honestly though you don't know how much Orbán is militarising now, no wonder he wants to expand his opportunities in an eu army.

dw.com/en/hungary-pm-viktor-orban-aims-to-militarize-the-school-system/a-40088250