Why didn't they just ask Shenron to make the sayans spaceships malfunction in deep space?

Why didn't they just ask Shenron to make the sayans spaceships malfunction in deep space?

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How would that help anyone?

Why didn't they wish for the location of Gero's lab? Not only could they have still gotten to fight the androids like they wanted, but they wouldn't have had to wait until people died first.

and if Supreme Kai wasn't a shitter, he could've gathered the balls and wished either to have Buu's ball transported wherever he wanted or he could've made Babidi appear right in front of him and Kabito. He wouldn't have even needed to get any of the others involved.

Why didn't they just wish for Goku to be automatically stronger than any villain that ever appears in the future?

The get stuck in the middle of nothing and die of lack of air or starvation.
Seems straighforward to me.

If Shenron has just as much power as the namekian that created him, why can't that namekian bring people back to life?

Why didn't they wish for this all to end before super?

Why couldn't they just wish Goku's heart disease away?

Beyond Shenron's power, this was stupid.

Why didn't they just wish for Earth to have an impenetrable shield? It would still let sunlight and other normal things in, but it would specifically keep hostile life forms like Vegeta and Nappa, or even Frieza out.
Then the next issue would be the androids and cell... but that issue is for another time.

How was a shitter from the Red Ribbon able to create robots stronger than the ruler of the Galaxy and his henchmen?

Same way literally anybody in Dragon Ball was able to create anything they did: It made for a half-decent storyline so it was written that way.

Shit, we wouldn't have this story at all if some random schmuck making miracle technology wasn't a thing.

>Shenron isn't capable of killing anyone of relevance
>but he can make someone invincible even against the mc and gods
Toriyama a hack.

Because Humans have a higher intelligence potential than fighting potential. I think inventing a time machine is a greater feat than making robots stronger than aliens anyway.

Usually the power creep is justified, but one guy from an ancient DB storyline going from a Frankenstein monster to something stronger than Frieza?
Shit writing.

That much makes sense within his limitations: He can't negatively affect anyone stronger than his creator, or affect them at all without their consent. So Zamasu could wish immortality on himself, but couldn't wish to kill G...

Well, he could kill Goku with the super dragon balls but he couldn't have if he used the regular or namek ones.

The biggest mess in DB/Z is simply that toriyama isn't a great writer, so writing about wish granting balls the main cast has free access to didn't work out too well.

Why didn't Toriyama just wish to be a good writer?

No one said it was well written, it's just that human science is bullshit in the manga. If they can make capsules and time machines, ultra righting robots aren't that big a deal.

Because writing skill is not a prerequisite to success.

I don't think it will work if the person inside the spaceship is stronger than shenron/kami.

He was doing research for like 20 years. Why can a person train for 3 years and go from 5mil to like 50mil or whatever but a fictional scientist can't make a breakthrough in 20?

Supreme kai didn't investigate earth properly.

Why didn't they just say no to the Cell Games?

That's bullshit. What does the person inside have to do with the machine itself?

Cell would have killed them all. Cell Games was him being merciful, and Toriyama not know what to do with Cell now that he accomplished all of his goals.

Where did all the animal people disappear between DB and DBZ?

Is Vegeta a Prison Bitch?

Why didn't Goku just drop Cell on Kais planet and teleport back?

No time.

Also before anyone mentions how he stood there and spoke for a while

Talking is a free action

Right. in the manga he only said a line or so, and it's been established moving to and from Kai's world is hard due to "distance", whatever that means in the world of the dead. .

>Toriyama not know what to do with Cell now that he accomplished all of his goals.

Well, to be fair, Cell was also arrogant as fuck, and had those Saiyan cells in him. He probably just wanted to fight the strongest person he possibly could to see what he was capable of.

>Toryiama will never bring back Android 16 upgraded and ready to fuck Goku's shit

Such a fucking nice fighting style, brute force combined with having a body that can do all sorts of crazy shit

>ITT: frodo

Subhumans were purged.

Talking to dead people has never been in a problem in DBZ, so how come Goku didn't go visit Kai and help bulma and trunks find new Namek? or, at the very least Goku could've talked to the villagers and they could've used those balls to bring back everyone, or at least a few people.

Goku is retarded.

Why didn't Goku just teleport to earth (or ask Kibitoshin to), then come back to the Kaioshin planet with the revived Mystic Gohan who could easily defeat and erase kid buu?

For that matter, why did the Genkidama have trouble with Kid Buu, since Gohan had give his power and his power was much greater, much more than enough to completely erase super/kid buu?

If Goku became good just because he hit his head, would another hit like that make him evil again?

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I think he didn't get to keep his body from dying of the heart disease, thus couldn't go to King Kai's planet.

>Why didn't they wish for the location of Gero's lab? Not only could they have still gotten to fight the androids like they wanted, but they wouldn't have had to wait until people died first.

Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo deliberately said they wanted to fight the Androids and that Bulma should shut up.

Good people keep their bodies, see Gohan Senior.
Even if they didn't, they can still hang out with people in the afterlife, so nothing would prevent him from visiting king kai.
Same deal for yamcha, tien, piccolo etc, since they all trained with king kai as well.

>Why didn't Goku just teleport to earth (or ask Kibitoshin to), then come back to the Kaioshin planet with the revived Mystic Gohan who could easily defeat and erase kid buu?

For the same reason they didn't fuse. They wanted to fight him.

Why didn't they just ask that demon guy from DB that could make the evil in a person kill him from the inside to deal with all the villains?

When he had to resort to the genkidama, the fight was over and he was just trying to save the earth.

Why didn't Goku just teleport to earth (or ask Kibitoshin to), then come back to the Kaioshin planet with the revived Mystic Gohan who could easily defeat and erase kid buu?
Goku is really stupid (see crushing the spare potaras) and wanted to fight buu

>For that matter, why did the Genkidama have trouble with Kid Buu, since Gohan had give his power and his power was much greater, much more than enough to completely erase super/kid buu?

That's one's not a plot hole. Goku was weakened and pushing very lightly. Once he got his strength back the genkidama instantly overwhelmed buu.

>Goku is really stupid (see crushing the spare potaras) and wanted to fight buu
See: >That's one's not a plot hole. Goku was weakened and pushing very lightly
But he said he hadn't received enough energy after Gohan donated his. Since Gohan was more than capable of destroying kid buu on his own, his energy alone should have been more than enough.

There are lots of cool things Toriyama can do but won't because it's un-Toriyama-like.

>Bulma mass produces Android 16s to defend the Earth
>Gohan actually does teach the Earth's population how to manipulate ki

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>implying Toriyama remembers anything that happened in dragonball

Ki amount does not automatically compute to fighting power, especially in regards to Buu who can reform from atoms.

Nothing.

DBZ people are stupid. Not just the fans and the author, but the characters in the DBZ universe as well.

But Ki amount does compute to power of the ki blast that was going to be used to erase Buu. Since gohan alone had more than enough ki to erase buu, his ki alone should have been enough for the gennki dama.

That would have been smart, but better to reserve the wish for reviving the fallen.

There wasn't any reason to. Trunks already gave him the cure. He's the retard that didn't take it.

There's a "what if" scenario like that in a videogame.
Anyway, the Akuman ray is just that, a ray. Meaning, it can be dodged.
Same as Ginyu's body switch.

He means in the future. In the past Goku didn't take it not because he was stupid, but because he never got sick until the androids appeared due to poorly thought out timefuckery.

All they had to do was put them in a full nelson and have devilman kill them.

Devilman would be the greatest hero.
Cell and Buu would both survive the attack, but they'd regenerate into pure beings of good.

Imagine, we could have pure-hearted Cell and Buu.

who says Kami can't?
Dende was able to bring back people to life in some way

because Frieza isn't the ruler, there is no such thing as far as we know
he's the leader of a World Trade Organization

He could heal them before they died, not bring them to life.

same place the dinosaurs went
i always thought of it like this
most of DB takes place on one side of the world, while DBZ takes place on another
its like this, just cause billions of Chinese and Indians exist on one side of the world doesn't mean you're gonna see nothing but them if you live in New England

You'd think all the assistants and editors these mangaka have would remember this stuff, but nope.

>All they had to do was put them in a full nelson and have devilman kill them.

At that point you don't need him anymore, like in the fight with Raditz. You could even ask Krilin.

He probably died super quick. He almost died immediately in the present time.

>because Frieza isn't the ruler, there is no such thing as far as we know

This.
For all we know he was just bullshitting, even Vegeta called himself the "number one in the universe" at some point before.

I thought that Frieza was ruler of galaxy's real estate speculators

What? He gradually lost strength until he couldn't move, then he suffered for hours while he was taken home, then the medicine located.

I mean sure, it was rapid onset, but I find it hard to believe they cound't have wished him to health before he died, or wished him back soon after.
And don't you dare fucking say that counts as a natural death. STRESS-induced shortened lifespan doesn't count as a fucking natural death.

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Why didn't the Red Ribbon Army just snipe Goku?

They did. Goku was strong when he was 12.

Pretty sure they didn't wish Goku back because they just chose not to. He was just unlikely enough to catch a heart virus, like many people on earth. They were in peaceful times and had no reason to think the Androids would pop up and would be strong enough to get past EVERYONE. Even if Goku was alive, he would have been BTFO by them too. The only person who could have beaten them is Kamiccolo, but Piccolo got killed before he was able to fuse.

speaking of which this really opens a lot of possibilities of how wide the universe of dragon ball can really be
like there can be tons of strong people out there
i mean where does Frieza even get guys like the Ginyus? sure they're not as strong as he is, but there's gotta be bigger fish around in some galaxies
hell technically Tagoma is stronger than Frieza before Frieza got gold.
even ignoring the filler there must people strong people scattered all over the universe

If the Mafuba could work on the likes of Zamasu, and Picolo KNEW that, why did he not suggest its use against the likes of the Saiyans, Frieza, Cell, or Buu?

>Pretty sure they didn't wish Goku back because they just chose not to. He was just unlikely enough to catch a heart virus, like many people on earth. They were in peaceful times
That's actually fair.

>Even if Goku was alive, he would have been BTFO by them too. The only person who could have beaten them is Kamiccolo
No, the androids in Trunk's time are much weaker than the ones in the "main timeline". Trunks or Gohan could fight them both at once. If Goku had been alive and able to work with Vegeta, there's a good chance they could have won.

There were two Saiyans. Even if he managed to Mafuba Nappa, he would have been instantly killed by Vegeta. Frieza was a shitty situation gone sideways. Once he fused with Nail, he was able to outpace second form Frieza. Then Frieza transformed twice over and it was RIP. Cell probably knows the mafuba so he could probably reverse it. The Buu arc takes place within a few hours and shit gets really real really fast.

Why did they start hiding their superpowers like flying and shooting beams from the public as if they had never seen such a thing? Back in DB they'd fly and shoot beams during tournaments and the public was used to it, it was assumed that martial arts just worked like that in their world.

>No, the androids in Trunk's time are much weaker than the ones in the "main timeline".

And the main characters are still weaker. Which is why literally everyone is killed by them, including Vegeta, rather easily. Both 17 and 18 literally said they were taking it easy on both of them.

>And the main characters are still weaker

But not by so much. Goku as a super saiyan was likely strong enough to be able to fight them 2v1.
By comparison in the main timeline, any one of them could absolutely trash not only a super saiyan, but everyone else all at once.
Thus if Goku had been alive, there's a good chance they could have beat them working together.

to be fair focused energy attacks do a shit load of damage even if the user is weak
i mean Krillin could have killed Nappa with his Kienzan despite being only a fraction of his power

>But not by so much. Goku as a super saiyan was likely strong enough to be able to fight them 2v1.

But that's wrong. They killed Vegeta almost immediately. Who was also a Super Saiyan, and who probably trained the hardest out of everyone during peaceful times because that's Vegeta.

Why didn't they just use tear gas on him

Krillin was about 1/7th of Nappa's power.
Goku SSG is billions of times stronger than Frieza was on his heyday.

>But that's wrong. They killed Vegeta almost immediately
You don't know that he was a super saiyan in Trunk's timeline. We do know that by the time trunks grows up, the big reason they can't fight back is there's only one warrior capable of facing them together at any time, first Gohan, then himself.

So even if Vegeta was actually a super saiyan, the reason he'd lose is because he was alone, as in no one else could hope to match them enough to contribute. But if both vegeta and goku were alive, the odds would even out a whole lot.

why didn't they just wish for more wishers

>that scene where goku tells gohan to go be a hero as he leaves to fight super buu
DBZ should have ended with ultimate gohan defeating buu

And to think Gohan was twice as tall and 100 million times stronger than that when he was 11.

Power levels truly are bullshit.

>You don't know that he was a super saiyan in Trunk's timeline.

That's wrong. He's clearly a Super Saiyan when he's killed by 17.

>So even if Vegeta was actually a super saiyan, the reason he'd lose is because he was alone

Now you're doing headcanon. Being killed immediately is the equivalent of being outmatched. Furthermore, everyone was killed right after each other as they all went to the same battlefield.

>That's wrong. He's clearly a Super Saiyan when he's killed by 17.
Animeonly shit.
>Now you're doing headcanon. Being killed immediately is the equivalent of being outmatched
Animeonly shit, the manga never went into detail. Neither Trunks nor Gohan were stronger than Vegeta SS. Since Gohan could fight both androids together, and so could trunks, it's stands to reason that while 1 super saiyan like vegeta would be barely outmatched fighting both together, if goku was alive they'd have been even or they might have had the advantage.

Why didn't Goku divorce ChiChi?

Because he loves her and she's the mother of his children.

I fucking loved that fight, right up until Gohan got fucking eaten. I was so hyped when I thought Gohan was going to defeat Buu
>Fight you? No, I wanna kill you.

>Gohan, who has more latent ability than Goku and Vegeta, is beaten handily by 17, who didn't even use half his power
>But more, weaker, Super Saiyans, would have helped

Sure, bro.

She's a shrew of a woman.
He abandons her to train for weeks at a time.
Her helicopter parenting has almost doomed humanity several times.
Gohan clearly should have become a fighter or worked with animals but she pushes him into becoming a 'scholar'.

You're implying there was any thought or planning put into dragon ball at that point.

>latent ability

Are you fucking dumb? Future Gohan never became very strong. He wasn't a fighting genius like his dad. He did well to get that far on his own, but he never surpassed Goku of the android saga, judging by how Trunks measures up to the androids and Goku.

That said EVEN if they were both weaker than Future Gohan, which is unlikely, the reason Gohan lost against the androids was the 2 on 1. Meaning 1v1, it was even or abouts.
Simply having someone else to make it 1v1 would have made a world of difference.

>the reason Gohan lost against the androids was the 2 on 1.

Animeonly shit. 17 beat him alone in the manga without using half his power.

Yes, but she also keeps feeding him. He'll never leave as long as she keeps doing that.

Gohan always wanted to be a scholar.