Libertarians and Ancaps

What's the libertarian and anarcho-capitalist solution to the mass immigration and demographic problem?

It's not a problem. If you have a preference to live in homogenous communities, then go buy a house in a white neighborhood.

How do you maintain a homogenous community in an anarcho capitalist society?

If there's no gubmint gibs there's no immigration.
Also, in an economy where everything is voluntary, you don't need to justify not wanting to sell or buy from anyone, you just don't.

There will be immigration as long as there are difference in real wages. America has much higher real wages than almost the entire world, so you're delusional if you think immigration would stop.

no gibs, no problems.

My solution? Let all the commies, immigrants, fashies and natsoc collectivist retards kill each other off leaving only high IQ Ancaps and Libertarians left so we can establish ansnekistan

So how do we end immigration without using the state?

What's preventing the surrounding nation-states from seizing territory?

>meme flag
>high IQ Ancaps and Libertarians
>ansnekistan
You've got to go back

You don't. Why does it bother you?

>You don't

Why?

Pol has always been libertarian

you go back child

Immigration does not violate the non-aggression principle and, according to economic theory, it increases the total well-being and the well-being of the average person in the society receiving the immigrants.

Remove the welfare and the migration will stop being a problem. There was a Syrian family that recived a assylum status here in Poland and guess what, as soon as they arrived they run to Germany. No gibs=no leeches.

Honestly do you really believe ancap could really work in a country without a white majority and a wall around it?

>pol has always been libertarian
What a meme

genocide

>Real wages
And who's going to hire muzzies without goverment quotas, I wonder?

Don't give them free shit and they won't come.

I wouldn't want them here even if they were self sustaining

You people are hopeless ideologues, not that different from Marxists really.

>be Marxist
>be utopian materialist who thinks an idealized economy will eventually do away with the need for a state to enforce law
>try being ancap instead
>still a utopian materialist who thinks an idealized economy will eventually do away with the need for a state to enforce law

Hes not wrong newfag.

Libertarianism is the solution. No gibs =no refugees. Ones who want to come and earn keep are welcome.

>Ones who want to come and earn keep are welcome.

The economic issue is one thing but what about the cultural issue?

Get a group of honkies to buy land and disallow other ethnicities to buy per by laws of covenant. Done.

By boycotting non whites
Dont serve them
Dont buy from them
Boycot the ones who do
And phisically remove if they insist and go violent

>if they insist and go violent

You already know they are going to do this. Why let them come inside in the first place

Private property.
The market would supply the demand for white homogenous neigbourhoods or even whole societies.
There is demand for security, there'd be supply for security.
This.
You can throw people off private property, ta dam.
+ I don't believe that if there'd be a hard working nigger from africa that he wouldn't assimilate.

Except that examples of private, anarchic law have existed, and were pretty good for the people (read about Lex Mercatoria for an example). The same cannot be said for every trial of communism, though...

Perhaps the only problem with ancap institutions is that they are quite vulnerable to state violence.

Dear fucking god, the more I see these kinds of question the more I wonder if anyone knows what anarcho-capitalist doctrine even is.

Hans-Hermann Hoppe. Look him up. You don't even have to read his books, just read his wiki page and you'll get a good sense of what "physical removal" is all about.

>on Sup Forums
>not ancap

the fuck are you doing?

nothing? however, one can't have simultaneous open borders and a welfare state. idk if you've heard, but anarchy doesn't attempt to force other people to action- the only firm law is the NAP, and without the welfare state, they wouldn't be "hurting" anyone

You're aware that on libertarianism you're free to fund a nazi community if you want, right?
He'll you caneven make a commie community as long as it's voluntary.
You associate with the people you like and form a culture with them.

You dont have to, honestly
You can tell them to fuck off your neighborhood
As far as libertarianism is concerned you can literally build a wall if you want to
Plus most of the niggers are good narrative comes from media and without a state media wouldnt serve one single agenda
You could have the Nigger Hate Channel for all I care

Socialism can never be voluntary, but some weird forms of nazi societies probably could exist.

First of all a libertarian/ancap society would not have welfare or any kinda gimmiedats, so the only immigrants coming to the area would be ones who can actually provide value in the society, otherwise they'd just starve and die, you'd get the benefit of mostly just getting educated experts and professionals immigrating into an ancap society which would increase competition for those professions and drive down cost, basically making your life cheaper and better.

Second of all ancaps believe in private ownership of land, so theres nothing to stop you from disallowing whoever you please onto your land. There's also nothing from stopping neighbouring land owners agreeing voluntarily to deny rights for certain types of people, essentially creating a free market for borders in different regions. Nothing stopping you from essentially making large areas gated communities or even gated cities.

I can see some hippie communes but none are going to survive a serving generation.

*second
Ducking auto correct

No gibs
No affirmative action

Dipshits starve and die, or go back to their own country

Libertarians have good domestic ideology, but foreign policy and trade they're pretty retarded.

Stop giving them free shit like welfare, medicare, medicaid, SSI, etc, and stop incentivizing having babbies

Stop banning them from getting abortions and stop regulating birth control

Stop restricting private people and businesses from discriminating based on whatever basis they want to discriminate upon.

Stop dropping bombs on their countries, stop driving them West.

Those would be a good start.

Why is ancap better than a significantly shrinked/ libertarian federal government?

They wouldnt

this. they'd stay in turkey

they don't have one

because "smol gov" can be abused with time- always has been. if you leave the tool of Federal power lying around, people will begin vying for it

capitalists that like lower costs for labor

>Gated communities
>Gated cities
How do you stop these from becoming a government?

Because having a federal government will eliminate the possibility of funding different communities based on personal ideologies.
For example, what if the federal government leans left and then nazi beliefs are banned state wide?

>Fuck off to reddit pic
>reddit spacing

punch the asshole who tries to take your shit from you? it's not too difficult

Then you'd be free to boycott that business, and buy from the nazi competitor.

All goverments have a proccess of de-civilization, some forms of goverments de-civilize faster though.

Contracts between white private property owners and ruthless McEnforcement of the NAP.

It never ceases to amaze me that there are actual libertarians.

you don't, which is why governments exist in the first place
anarchists are mentally retarded

the mesoamericans are really hard workers. Get rid of the handouts and entitlements and they will rebuild out nation with us

The eternal ancap
>Believes his political philosophy is the only one morally justifiable
>Doesn't realize everything "private" = Jewish

>Reddit spacing
>A thing
Choose only one.
I'm sure I have even older screencaps with that spacing but this should do

Nice argument fucktard, now get in line and pay up 60% of your income.

See yourself out newfriend, moot didn't purge /new/ because of libertarians.
Our old emblems and mascots should give you a message about the people who post here but it would seem that you missed the memo.

yes, and no one would care
a large part of why there are millions of illegal immigrants in the u.s., is that it drives down the real wage of menial labor, so very little pressure from capitalists that bankroll the parties is actually put into enforcement
despite this situation, you boycotting the beneficiaries would be a negligible cost compared to the savings of latin american labor

Dont serve niggers, and shoot them upon trespassing

is your body jewish too? i consider mine pretty private

Strict border controls. Citizens and legal immigrants get rights. If you don't belong to my country why should you have my country's rights?

>No one would care
If this were true then Trump wouldn't have won.

I have thought about this issue.

What is the difference between Hoppean private communities and modern states, really? After all, if you dislike your country, you can sort of move to another one.

After much thought, I think that for people to live peacefully in prosperous societies they need two things: lots of different communities to live (so that you get to choose the one that most appeases you) and freedom of movement (in the sense that they cannot force you to stay in the community).

In private communities, if you don't pay the fee, they kick you out. In modern states, if you don't pay taxes, you go to jail.

I see this working if instead of big countries we had lots of microstates like Liechtenstein or Monaco, like Hoppe said.

When everything is private there's no immigration problem, choose the private city that doesn't allow unqualified immigration in by contract.

>no welfare or affirmative action
>if a spic tries to rob you then you shoot him
Simple.

t. Jew
You either own yourself or I can make you my slave retard.

what are you even on about
trump won, because hillary underperformed her predecessor
there was no organized effort to stop buying produce picked by illegals or to stop buying from business owned by people that have illegals raising their children and cleaning their toilets
some of the white voters surely voted trump for protectionism, but that's not a market behavior. that's a state intervention in the economy behavior

>Let's pretend Trump finally addressing the huge immigration issue wasn't one of the chief caused why people liked him
Lmao

he was being a good soy goy

do you know what you are even arguing
is there something about being an ancap that makes you especially stupid

>After all, if you dislike your country, you can sort of move to another one.

The impact of moving to a different country (with different culture, languages, etc) is much larger than the impact of moving to a different city/community. People are way more hesitant to vote with their feet when there are major cultural barriers. Besides, migrating to another country is not always easy.

Also, with the current states there's no way to guarantee that the values of the place you're moving to will be permanent, bound by contract.

Anyway, the world is moving more and more towards a one world government you won't be able to escape, and this is direct consequence of the current state situation.

Libertarians and Ancaps are for open borders

There's no good answer to this. We'd be BTFO.

My fellows are insane if they think they can design a system that, out of the gate, is more powerful than nation states which have evolved over a millennia. Especially if nation states gang up on the upstart like we're seeing with "The Swamp" and Trump.

yes, because they don't believe that it is legitimate for a state to use violence to interfere with the allocation of the factors of production, restrict movement, or interfere with the free association of people

You're retarded, only leftist libertarians are for open borders.
I agree but the general answer is supply and demand, if we would survive or at least get some army security, we might go independent with some security service appearing.

Immigration happens usually for socio-economic reasons. Libertarians advocate a real money system, so there would be no benefit for immigrants to come from one place with an honest money supply to another.

The fake fiat money system is the source of ALL worldly problems - solve that and yo solve every other problem

Ok let me spell it for retards like you, who know nothing of ancap except Sup Forums memes:
You said that nobody will not care and continue buying from companies that use immigrants simply because it's cheaper. While half the country voted for a man who promised to significantly reduce immigration, even knowing full well this will likely increase prices.
Now in an ancap society these people wouldn't even need to vote for Trump, because they'd be free to just buy from a white only company.
Let me know if you understood now or if I used to many big boy words and need me to dumb it down a little more for you okay?

and NO welfare state- the two cannot coexist without violence done to the people being taxed for the welfare handouts

barring other sources of rigdity, the movement of labor will occur until real wages in source and destination reach equillibrium

>Supply and demand is the answer for Nat Defense
Supposing there's a surprise attack?

Ancaps will have many solutions.
They are legit.
Lolbertarians only solution is asking their small jew puppet government nicely to stop mass immigration.
Protip: they wont stop

there's no federal power for them to usurp so they'd be going door to door taking land and shit until enough people answered with guns

right - so im saying an hours worth of work will be worth the same amount of tangible resources.

The problem today is that fiat currencies value is being manipulated

i said no one would care that you would favor buying from nazi firms, because the cost of those willing to boycott firms that benefit from illegal immigration is significantly lower than the gains from employing that labor
your retort is that you think voters elected trump to use violence to protect the wages of whites, which is irrelevant
in an ancap system you would continue to buy from firms that employ (now legal) latin american labor, because they are more competitive, and those firms will only increase the amount of latin labor they use, because the cost will be even lower (there are no impediments to employing or transfering labor)

An armed population + some privately paid security force could withstand a lot. Defense is much cheaper than offence bro.

McBorderPatrol and McDeathSquads

McNukes TM

Yes ancap society would have immigrant workers. Thats a givin. They might be slaves though.

>how does Zomia work?

libertarian solution: have borders
ancap solution: there isn't one

Would you buy property in a place where there's no security provided if your country was ancap?

The market will offer solutions because people will not accept something else.

Besides, how many countries would be able to deflect an attack by a ruthless bigger army? This problem is not exclusive to anarcho capitalism.

What are you talking about?
Do I have the right to cross over onto your private property?

>in an ancap system you would continue to buy from firms that employ (now legal) latin american labor
Half the country wants to kick latinos out and you think they wouldn't boycott them if they had the chance and affirmative action and diversity quotas didn't existed?
K

how much property do you own slavshit, because those are your borders now

>Memeflag and insult for no reason
Opinion discarded.