Is Kingdom's art slowly getting better?

Is Kingdom's art slowly getting better?
How long until it reaches top tier?

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As someone who dropped it because of the art, I don't think it's gotten much better.

>As someone who dropped it because of the art
This is bait.

going monthly might help

>opinion i don't like = bait

Nice reading comprehension. When did I say I dislike his opinion? Consider going back to school.

Kingdom was always retardedly detailed, you can go back to chapter 50 100 150 200 and you'll find clothes and all that shit being stupidly detailed, the armor has always looked great too

>Going monthly
>for a manga that's like 40-50% in

Shove that idea up your ass

Kingdom has bad art? Since when?

some shitposters on Sup Forums says it has bad art because the horses are drawn with short legs and really muscular bodies.

Of course it's meant to BE like that for 3000 years ago horses in china but shitposters will shitpost

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The show had shit CGI, though that's usually a symptom of the source material being too detailed to animate on a budget.

what is Vinland Saga

Season 2 didn't have cgi, well it did but in mooks and stuff like that in the background.

Season 1 got better in the second half anyways. It still had CGI but there was 2D too

Reminder that next historical total war could have a china setting

Never heard of it

What? Vinland Saga is a manga you silly poon.

It was meant for

I don't really get why duke hyou used that shield desu.

I barely notice the "improvement" from good art to better art. So, no because the art has been pretty consistent imo.

Probably for arrows. Especially, since he is offense oriented, he might need that when charging straight to a rain of arrows.

So, do you think only the independent units will be assigned in the Gyou assault?

Having only the three go makes sense because they won't have the same logistical problems as the full army but I just don't think they have enough men.

>Shin - 5000 men + Kyoukai's 3000 men
>Ouhon - 5000 men
>Mouten - 5000 men

Agreed. I'm also thinking of maybe Bajio with around 1000 elite men can help them. Scaling walls or do mountain people shit. Do you think among the three, shoheikun appointed an acting supreme commander?

If that was the case tons of other generals should use a shield, like mou bu.

>Ousen
>Yotanwa
>Kanki
Now the previous arc and historical spoilers make more sense.

>40-50%
More like 30% at best

Maybe because they are generals that will go to the battlefield to attack only during decisive points so they may think they don't need it.

On the other hand, Duke Hyou is always out there.

What do you think is Kanki's weakness Riboku has found out?

Kanki vs Kisui 2 is hype!

No
Never, because there's no effort from the author to make it better.

That Kanki likes to make big gambles even when a safer albeit more costly way to victory already exists. Just call his bluff in those big gambles and Kanki gets fucked.

I don't see any of them being the supreme commander. They said Shin shouldn't even have Kyoukai under his command because 8000 men was more than he should be in charge of. If someone is charge of the three it'll probably be Ouhon. He'd have become a general already if Tou hadn't blocked it.

>Tell me about Ousen! Why does he wear the mask?

I remember in /eagg/ some people really hate the art

Maybe too detailed for them

It's fine to dislike the art. But dropping something because of the art is just retarded.

Apparently history provides the answer.
Kanki gets baited into leaving his HQ to kill the enemy commander (as he has always done) He wins, but on his way back he gets ambushed by Riboku. Because Kanki is disconnected from his HQ, the rest of his army doesn't know what the fuck is going on and they get fucked too.

Who else is as happy as him?

He is a sadist cunt and would always take the easier path

I thought he was just surprised. Why is Heki even down there? He's a general too.

Thanks for spoiler-ing. Had a quick glance and avoided reading it for now.

I wanna ask if you already know Chinese history, at least, during this period, do you still have enough enjoyment out of the series?

And what can you advice someone like me who don't know it but is a natural curious cat that really research what he likes?

I know that China will be unified but I don't know the key specifics. So I'm really hyped up not just for Shin but more for the Generals and I don't want to be spoiled if they will die before unification.

Hara really isn't one for great art - he's an engineer who's still learning how to draw on the job. I doubt he'll ever be able to draw horses properly.
However two things in this chapter caught my eye:
-Shousa's (Hi Shin spear guy) eye panel. I know Hara loves these singular eye panels but this one was really well done.
-The Mountain Folk design. Hara is at his best when he just goes all out in characterization Oda style, they really look outlandish and savage. Same with the Kanki guys.

Heki has always had the shots for Yotanwa ever since.
Based on where the sunlight hit, we know why he git dismounted from his horse.

We have about 10 years left according to a recent interview with Hara. He's considering writing 100 volumes for the entire thing.

Let me put it this way. You know China will be unified but you also know that it's still interesting to see how the writer will handle it. The difference between us is that I just know a few more details than you do, but we're both still keen to see what Hara will do.
Plus the author puts his own spin on things, e.g. Historically, Yotanwa wasn't a mountain queen, Ouki is a fictional character. and of course Houken isn't a fucking Dynasty Warriors hero. Yet, can you imagine the manga without these characters? I can't do it.
Plus consider the battle of Sai. In the manga, it's the amazing climax to a long, epic arc. In history, it's given one line. Sei probably wasn't even there.
A pretty good history resource is
magaxking.wordpress.com/historical-information-on-kingdom-characters/
There's a links/table of contents, so you can pick and choose what you want to read. As of the current manga chapter, it's 236BC.
Avoid reading anything regarding Riboku. THAT'S something you'll want to find out from the manga.

I think Tou's and Kanki's lackeys are generals too, so there's probably some kind of tier system amongst generals.

Ousen and Kanki were deputy generals to Mou Gou but he was a great general

We'll see.

I don't think the manga will have enough fuel after the Zhao campaign to continue with what should be landslide victories without much resistance

Well...
Massive spoilers incoming.
Yan is where Shin actually makes a name for himself as a general. Chu is where he loses 200k men and 7 lieutenants. Then there's an assassination plot arc there too. Plenty to work with. Also consider that Qin is in a sort of knife-edge situation as presented in the manga.

Thanks. I needed this. When the hype is too much I just want to know more for myself, speculate and such.

But with Kingdom, I am just too careful. Even one line is enough to change how i view the series, and that there is a way to enjoy still after the fact.

What's /eagg/?

it looks weird having all that shading on those very simplified anime faces, makes them look like statues

East Asian Genocide General

Samurai Warriors/Sengoku Basara games amongst others starring the China unification wars

I think there are more people triggered by the Japanese names in this manga in a Chinese setting.

All chinese names just sound the same though. Everyone is named like Wan Win Won Xing or some variation of it.

what other weekly mangas have better art? how the fuck does the author even do it?

Can think of The Breaker

I know Kubo gets shit for his white backgrounds, but I think he has a great style.

Amphibious warfare.

What an immensely hype chapter. God I can't believe how good Hara is at suckering me into getting massively excited about each new arc

Is that from real history? Who's Shin based of?

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Most of /eagg/ doesn't even like The Ravages of Time, the most popular 3K chink comic in all of Asia. They are way too fucking biased based on that stupid 2010 tv show and their vidya games. Their love for Cao Cao is equivalent to Sup Forums's love for Hitler.

Cao Cao is too well acted in the show to be hated even if he does evil stuff.

Vinland Saga can easily speed up the pacing since it's just a bunch of non-canon shit happening in between various events recorded. Kingdom literally has an entire record is must follow, unless you think it's fine to skip half the battles for unification or speed through them in 2 chapters.

And Kingdom never went monthly, nor does it show any sign of needing it. Hara isn't lazy and has a healthy work ethic as shown in the omake interviews and shit unlike people like Oda who chain smoke.

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what tv show?

>But dropping something because of the art is just retarded.
This is silly. Art quality affects your enjoyment of manga. If the art is really shitty, and the writing isn't great enough to make up for it, of course you'll drop it. If there was a run-of-the-mill story with art by Inoue or someone, I'd probably read it. If the same run-of-the-mill story was drawn by some bad yaoi artist, then I fucking wouldn't.

There's different ranks in generals tied to the court system. Yotanwa for example last we know is 5th from the top, far far higher than Heki. Duke Hyou is so far the only person we've known that sits at 1st on the ladder, though that's counting active generals and not guys like Shouheikun who are obviously above everyone.

>I wanna ask if you already know Chinese history, at least, during this period, do you still have enough enjoyment out of the series?

Not him but I always enjoy it. While studies have shown that on average people enjoy spoilers more than no spoilers, I think it has to do with the individual series and Kingdom (and other historical series like Vinland, Ravages, Historie, Song of Long March, etc) do a good job in the sense that the author knows it's a historical, knows it will be spoiled to many people, and takes twists and innovative portrayals. Just because you know what happens doesn't mean you know how it happens.

Take Ouki for example, the most popular and beloved character of Kingdom in general. His historical counterpart is literally a fucking nobody whose only line in history is dying at Bayou. For those who know chink history, it's more about guessing and seeing how it turns out, not guessing the result, but the actual flow of events, the twists and turns.

That said Kyoukai remains the most alluded character by far since she's connected with the very god of war Shiyuu from the mythological era who Sei ends up creating a temple or some shit as an offering and prays to it before big battles later. Which is real fucked up cause in recorded history Kyou Kai is just a male undefeated general just like Yotanwa.

>Ouki is a fictional character.

That's fucking wrong. His name is literally in the history books, it's just that due to how Chink->Nip they couldn't literally translate his name since it uses different kanji or whatever that nip language doesn't have so it had to be changed a bit for something that sounds similar. Certain other characters have this issue as well.

I'm a fictional character

Yeah but that's the actor. It's retarded for a stellar performance to blind you to the actual historical character and act like he's the second coming of Jesus while everyone else is a shitter.

And outside of Cao Cao the 2010 TV show wasn't even all that great, and skipped tons of shit as per usual of chink historical drama. It's not even a matter of contesting whether their portrayal of certain events sucked or not, they just skip shit all day.

>Hara isn't lazy and has a healthy work ethic as shown in the omake interviews and shit unlike people like Oda who chain smoke.
Wait, what? What does chain smoking have to do with laziness?

I can't wait till Kyoukai and Shin get together.

It's not like the source material is very historically accurate in the first place, it's pretty much a historical fanfic.

Those two points are meant to be individual, as in he's not lazy AND he's healthy, whereas Oda for example certainly isn't lazy, but isn't healthy at all.

Yeah, but skipping events and entire characters is still bullshit. I think they even excluded recorded canon characters from the records, albeit minor ones.

Plus it's a chink live drama, the production is poorfag shit compared to Hollywood, maybe even Bollywood.

>AND he's healthy
user, "healthy work ethic" does not mean "healthy."

Keeping one's health so that it doesn't get in the way of your work is, part of work ethic. Hara has never been hospitalized so I think it fits perfectly fine.

What did they leave out? Apart from the Yellow Turban stuff I can't think of anything.

Oops. Seems I remembered it wrong.
S-sorry user.

Go ask /eagg/ they ramble about it all the time and I don't remember minor character names or keep track of all the campaigns. That said 2010 was definitely THE best 3K live drama no matter what I say about it, but that has more to do with how the rest are total shit.

I mean the fucking Wong Fei Hong films with Jet Li or whoever in the 80s/90s had way better choreographing, let alone Jackie Chan's stuff. How does a country manage to make that man into their bitch yet not have the secrets to action cinematography? Literally casting swine before pearls.

Apart from the tv show what do you recommend? I've only seen it and Sangokushi.

I'm not really a RoTK buff, I only enjoy The Ravages of Time because it's one of the few works in recent times coming from China (Well HK actually) that shows some innovation. Stuff like Song of the Long March which is essentially just a Tang Dynasty shoujo historical tragedy suits me more so I don't think you'd get much out of me.

The Ravages of Time simply gets a mention due to the intricate detail the author pays attention to regarding the little things. There's plenty of flaws to nit pick at, specially if you're a 3K fan, but I've yet to see another 3K piece of work that portrays it so different yet polished. It's also extremely amusing how the author flat out said in an interview how his HK/TW fans all ask for the more sophisticated cleverness while the Mainland fans all ask for power levels and wuxia. Still, I've never seen any other piece of fiction address logistics as much as Ravages, other than maybe, maybe Youjo Senki. And Youjo Senki is still more about Isekai MC being vastly superior at it while everyone else is dumb, whereas in Ravages it takes intricate schemes to fuck people's supply lines over to the point where the reader has to question if it's even worth it, which it sometimes isn't.

If you want something like a guilty pleasure and turning your brains off then maybe that shitty LN where some guy goes back in time Isekai mode only to save Lu Bu's ass coincidentally might be fun for you, but honestly the latest translated chapters have me wondering what's the point of his modern knowledge when the MC is already turning into a xianxia cultivation fag when it's only 190~ chapters in out of 1000+. It was so much more amusing when he relied on modern knowledge yet still barely survived each time cause unlike other MCs the results of his application of knowledge were half baked.

Has any other manga's databook ever come close to the accuracy of Kingdoms when depicting how those stats pertain to the results of the battles?

Kingdom art is pretty bad
+Absurdly amount of shit going on the pages
-Messy as fuck
-Laughable faces
-Not dynamic at all, everyone is stiff as fuck
-Laughable horses
-Sameface syndrome
As something personal i would say the arstyle is just not very appealing at all

at least you tried

>literally no rebuttals of any point
So he and every other person on Sup Forums who dislikes the art are just baiting?

I feel that without the art being the way it is, the battles wouldn't be as good. It is excessive, but that is the whole point as it illustrates simply how crazy these huge battles with hundreds of thousands of people are. Body sizes contort to how powerful and charismatic they are. Horses are overly detailed and muscular. Rather than realism, the art displays the aura of a battle. It may seem just excessive to some, but I think it's a perfect fit for the kind of manga it is. I can't see a Vinland Saga style art for Kingdom, and it shouldn't be. There should be abstractions for this kind of thing,

Horses were like that you retard

Can someone please figure out Ousen for me?

Every other general has a personality except this guy

Holy Jesus Christ, Kouko no Hito was actually weekly?

Reverse Kanki

tell me about Ousen!

why does he wear the mask?

So arrows don't hurt him, are you stupid?

>Is Kingdom's art slowly getting better?
Probably. After drawing endlessly for ten years, you start to get good. I don't know if people don't know this but the artist is the writer who basically never knew how to draw at all. That's why the art is bad. He was doing literally the best he could with zero experience. He went to see the guy who did Slam Dunk and Vagabond who gave him a few tips and told him that he liked the story and to keep going at it.
>How long until it reaches top tier?
Another ten years or so when the manga will reach its end?

The problem is not the short legs. The problem is their fucking asses when the perspective is from behind. Once you notice it, you can't stop looking and seeing it everywhere to the point where I swear it's an inside joke.

You read Kingdom for the story, not the art.

Because it looks cool?

Forgot pic.

He's a big gamble.

Kingdom's art is pretty hit and miss. Some of the large battles with double spread pages are SUPPOSED to look impressive....but while series like berserk pulls it off all the time and it looks good, in Kingdom it often looks messy, in the "okay what the fuck is going on" way and less of the berserk "holy shit this looks amazing" way.

Some of the character designs are also quite strange. Ouki and Tou are drawn like gay muscle bodybuilders...probably has something to do wtih their faces. I cant tell whether thats intentional or not. Some of the officers also have HUGE bug eyes....no eyelids, just giant eyeballs that look like like they will pop out any second. Again, i cant tell whether that is deliberate to try and make them look menacing, but IMHO it makes them look silly.

It is also confusing as fuck reading all the names that got renamed to Japanese style which sounds NOTHING like the original chinese names. I wonder how the japanese would feel if a warring states comic was done except that all the famous japanese warlords had americanized names...like oda nobunaga being renamed to dan nob or something. Im pretty sure they would rage pretty hard. I'm pretty confused how this started in the first place...did the ancient japanese just fail at pronouncing chinese names? That doesn't make sense, considering the japanese language is derived from the chinese one, and the ancient chinese apparently had no issues pronouncing japanese names correctly.

The series also seems to have had a noticeable shift in tone from the gritty, relatively realistic early chapters to the fantasy tone of latter chapters. Shin's first battle showed that most of the soldiers were unarmored conscripts with shitty gear...now suddenly every soldier is a trained one with metal armor and battles are won by dynasty warriors style general vs general clashes.

The politics is also silly and over dramaticized. Like the meeting between the king of Qin and Qi. Overly dramatic.

For Sei