Yayaka and Cocona are the true Flip Flappers

Yayaka and Cocona are the true Flip Flappers.

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Reposting my question because I seriously need to know.

Do we actually know Papika was fleeing the KKK facility?

Because they have the siren going in the background at FlipFlap headquarters, too.

>Look Asclepius, I post it again!

The robots are the only thing we've got going for that, I'd say.

If Papika just left somebody for dead in the KKK headquarters just like that, that would be pretty fucking dark.

What are they doing?

I think there's a lot we still don't know. Some anons think KKK HQ is out in the mountains similar to where Papika burst out in Ep1. Its pretty strange that Papika is outside the city there, but then FF HQ turns out to be in the middle of town.

Maybe Salt was leading a kind of special operation inside KKK. There was tension between Salt's band of misfits and KKK officials. Papika's break out was the final straw that prompted Salt and Co. to split.

A lot of this could probably be answered by seeing the events between Ep1 and 2.

I think it's some sort of lesbian code, but I can't tell since I'm not a lesbian.

>siren going in the background at FlipFlap headquarters
Where is this?

Yayakat looks lewd here for some reason.

something gay

The strongest evidence is the fact that she flees whatever facility she's in and comes out into the mountains overlooking the town. The KKK base is shown to be in the mountains with a similar view overlooking the town.

Episode 7 shows the KKK base in the mountains and episode suggests that flipflap is located in the town. When Papika escaped we see her flying over mountains outside the city. I have a hunch that flipflap and KKK are/were more than just enemies.

Its a lesbian mating ritual. You can see the blonde lesbian is extending her hand out, but has been rejected as evidenced by the lack of interlocking fingers.
Pic related is an example of a succesful yuri courtship. Most likely the female on the right will not be able to mate this season, but such is the way of things.

Maiting dance. Yayaka drugged her.

episode *2 suggests

100/10

Why would a lesbian be into lesbian rape?
You realize that could be you getting drugged and ravished by a blonde midget with a large forehead, right? Put yourself in the poor victim's shoes!

A meme dance

makes me think of vid related
somebody pls animate

Is this show still the saddest?

The preorders are the saddest

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>A lot of this could probably be answered by seeing the events between Ep1 and 2.
Maybe the mystery girl's death and the KKK attack is what prompted Salt to go independent.

It's supposed to be a 'love dance', so maybe. I have no idea why that's so, however.

I love how Cocona apparently just sat there watching her make it for around 15 minutes.

It's a meme from a jdrama that's airing at the moment. Someone posted the video around five threads back.

>Cockona

And they didn't show us those events for a very good reason.

There's something really important to the big picture in that, and it was withheld deliberately to ensure the viewer couldn't jump naturally to the correct conclusion before it was too early.

I feel like that also means the events that transpired between those two episodes must include something ridiculous, like a schism within the KKK forming Flip Flap, or timeloop shenanigans. The intuitive leap of "Papika rescued Cocona and got her new glasses" is so obvious that there'd be no reason to withhold it from us, or to decide to suddenly complicate our understanding of the opening scene of the first episode now, at the end of episode 7.

There's something really outlandish going on. I feel like the key is accounting for Cocona's fixed glasses. Were they replaced with an identical pair, repaired somehow, or evidence of a time loop? The repeating elements of Cocona's morning ritual are uncannily similar to the repeating elements of the episode 5 loop, but there hasn't really been any other evidence of loop shenanigans

Has she even worn those glasses outside of the first episode?

No, but they did make a point of showing us at the start of episode 2 that they were back and intact

I rewatched that part again and it doesn't look like KKK facility. The robots don't look like KKK robots, they look like something FF would make. Buu-chan is FF, again no sense for him to prevent PPK leaving KKK base. Sayuri says "Papika modotte! Tomarinasai!". It only makes sense to say if Papika was running away from where Sayuri is, i.e. Flip Flap.

Time loop is a tired cliche that doesn't help with originality at all.

>schism within the KKK forming Flip Flap
This more likely happened after Salt saw Mimi die.

>the key is accounting for Cocona's fixed glasses
Grandmom can fix glasses too?

>The repeating elements of Cocona's morning ritual
Cocona is shown as extremely punctual. She goes off to school at exactly 10 am, maybe for the train schedule, maybe she is just like that. To be that punctual in the morning, she may need help of grandmom checking on her waking up.

I made a decently sized FLFL logo if anyone wants to subtly put it on anything like a shirt sleeve or pocket or whatever

There's a chance one of the preview pics tomorrow could reveal something interesting.

Not that I can remember. Maybe she remembers how they were broken and is kinda freaked out by them being fixed the next morning so she doesn't carry them with her anymore. She probably doesn't remember how she got home the previous night either.

If she is breaking out of Flip Flap here, I think there is enough variance between Ep1 FF, and later FF that you almost have to conclude we're in a different universe than we were in Ep 1.

In Ep 1 Flip Flap has a nice mountain facility, with lots of robots and shit, but when we see them again they're hiding out and have nothing.

>giving children lsd and putting them in sensory deprivation tanks the anime

>living the dream the anime

This dance: youtu.be/ZKnUfG_ztLA

If it was just a scratch or the lenses popped out fixing them at home would be reasonable, but with a crack that large I don't see it happening.

It's not a matter of fixing. Broken glass in prescription lenses means a new prescription lens needs to be ordered.

She came out of PI with broken glasses after the sun was setting, so it would have been too late to order a replacement from a prescription store. She woke up with them already fixed, too early for a prescription store to be open.

Which means either that Grandma has the lenses on hand because that's coincidentally her line of work, or the replacement were procured by another source less grounded in reality.

>Do we actually know Papika was fleeing the KKK facility?
Nobody really thinks right? Or is it a meme like how everyone is pretending this show totally makes no sense when it's actually pretty straightforward?

I doubt her grandma simply fixed the glasses if they deliberately showed us the glasses after without the crack. There has to be some significance to it.

If Coconuts was more of a klutz we could at least assume granny keeps a few emergency back up pairs for her.

prescription lenses are like 200 dollars a pop, you don't stock backups for something like that.

Especially because a girl her age will likely have her prescription change every 6-12 months, just as a result of growing.

There are only two possible ways of fixing it: the broken lens was replaced, or time was looped. The latter one is much more contrived than the previous. Apply occam's razor.

>prescription lenses are like 200 dollars a pop
Bullshit.
Also Cocona's eyes aren't so bad that she needs constant adjustment to her prescription.

Its also possibly they aren't prescription. She could put fake glasses on for the sole purpose of looking smart, and trying to impress her peers.

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The color scheme and the red eyes make them look more like klanbots to me. That said buu showing the stop symbol and the tentacle arm stuff make it seem like he was trying to prevent her escape, though I guess you could make an argument for him running away from the other robots and just trying to latch on to get out of the facility with her.

Yeah, it's not like time loops were specifically shown to exist, or anything.

That's a terrible misapplication of occam's razor, user.

Come on user, that was PI.
Now if you want to make the argument that the real world is a PI or something, make that argument instead of just tossing out bullshit.

Or maybe Papika just wished for the glasses to be fixed with the amorphous. I'd imagine a small-scale wish like that wouldn't be too costy.

This time loop is shown as the defensive mechanism of the particular PI world. What purpose does it serve to have the main world in a time loop other than unnecessarily complicating the already complicated plot? For a time loop plot to be convincing you have to set up an entire history and character motives. I don't think there is enough screen time left for that.

Maybe not a time loop but deep Pure Illusion reality altering

I think the reason she stopped wearing them was because she fears that Papika might risk her life trying to retrieve them again.

Video game style save state

I think more likely than being a time loop, Ep 1 took place in a much more brutal universe where the KKK just killed Cocona and Papika. Since their time in that world ended, the story just moved on to a parallel universe where Coconuts and Papika are still going.
implying you can tell the difference between a time loop and traveling to a parrallel universe

>She could put fake glasses on for the sole purpose of looking smart, and trying to impress her peers.
I kinda doubt that since she put them on to look at Buu's brain. I think the only other time she was wearing them was when she was at the nurse's office.

Or, y'know, the KKK has no problem making a prescription lens because they have a fucking robot army and probably also make bionic limbs.

What if she doesn't wear them anymore because the KKK got her prescription wrong

>there hasn't really been any other evidence of loop shenanigans
It's unlikely that it's evidence of timeloops since they are just elements of the background art but for the record; the various potted flowers around the school like the stargazer lilies behind Cocona and Papika's desk do not wilt or bloom.

Much like the Lilies in CocoPap's room in ep5 remained static until they broke the curse.

I think "repair" may be a critical strength all these guys are pursuing, since KKK worships Asclepius, senpai has been modified somehow and Cocona wants to see her parents.

To be honest, that's probably just because they endeavor to recycle individual backgrounds as much as possible. Pablo work is expensive.

Also holy shit, putting those two version of Cocona side by side make it almost look like it's out of a completely different anime.

They could also be easily replaceable drugstore reading glasses.

Don't forget Cocona's muscle pains and Papika's bandages at the start of episode two. Papika also asked if "they" did anything weird to her. There's definitely continuity between the first two episodes.

>Iso
>direct a RahXephon episode
>goes on to debut as series director for Dennou Coil
>never direct anything again

>Oshiyama
>direct a Space Dandy episode
>goes on to debut as series director for Flip Flappers
>?

The fact that they even know each other in episode two is evidence of some degree of continuity.

Still, as this discussion has made abundantly clear, it's difficult to explain away the issue of the glasses.

Iso is working on a movie. Director, chara-designer and animation director.

I still think it's kinda likely that Papika just wished for the glasses to be fixed with the amorphous using the fragments Flip Flap already had. It would also explain why they have so few when it's clear their operation's been running for a while. It's also kinda supported by Papika's answer when Cocona asked what she would wish for in episode four.

I think they had no fragments because they had no way into PI. They couldn't begin fragment-hunting until Papika found a partner.

Salt says "another fragment?" when they bring back the first one, though.

There's still the mystery girl wearing Papika's uniform from episode one, though.

>Papika also asked if "they" did anything weird to her.
This also implies Papika didn't rescue Cocona and KKK wasn't after Papika.

You guys are going to make me watch the first two episodes again, aren't you? Fucking hell I need to sleep but I just want to figure this shit out.

He has a tiny one which was probably left after Mimi's incident at the clover field.

Because he has one that he brought back himself. It starts glowing earlier in the episode

A prospective partner that was a "bust" because she evidently failed to make it through the jump to PI. Probably couldn't get the impedance low enough

>make
From where I think this show is going, a rewatch of episodes 1-10 after episode 10 is probably mandatory to get everything they will reveal in the next 3 episodes. I've already watched episode 7 3 times to catch everything that people have been discussing.

Considering Flip Flap's supposed goal is to collect fragments, I doubt that's the first one they've retrieved when they started their operation. "A fragment?" is a better statement if that was the case.

This is an interesting theory. I have been thinking that he might have gotten that fragment from the first PI, but where and how?

Carry on my wayward son

I'm not saying you shouldn't rewatch, but I don't think there are enough clues/details to come to any sort of conclusion at the moment. We have only just recently passed the halfway point so we've got a lot more ground to cover.

If Papika didn't rescue Cocona, how did she get the blue amorphous back?

The klanbots were only programmed to retrieve Cocona and ignored the fragment?

Maybe Yayaka convinced the KKK to let Cocona and Papika go after they were captured in episode 1. She is working with them after all.

Her opinion doesn't seem to carry much weight in the organization.

She also shows up the morning after. She might have known that they took her at the very least.

She might have been sent by the organization to check up on Cocona and make sure the tracking device is still intact. Yayaka is Cocona's friend, so it would have probably been the most realistic way to keep track of Cocona without giving anything away. I doubt she knew they chloroformed Cocona before they told her.

>Yayaka is familiar with Cocona's home.
What on earth do they do when they actually meet up, rather than just casually socialising at school? I can't imagine anything but silence.

Makes me think of that scene from Hanayamata.
Having guests over can be super awkward

I need an excuse.

After seeing the first couple of minutes, I really feel like Papika is just running out of FlipFlap HQ. I know there's discrepencies about where the damn thing is located, but I feel pretty certain that FFHQ is where she was 'escaping' from. I personally believe that all the other characters are acting way too relaxed for this to be anything more than Papika shenannigens. If something serious were going down, I'd expect Hidaka and Sayuri to be more concerned about it.

Yeah, this is what makes that scene so difficult to parse.
She's obviously leaving Flifla HQ. Like, super obviously. You'd need to really stretch it to see that scene as anything else.

But then we learn the location of flifla HQ being very different from where it's shown in episode 1. And now we've learned that KKK HQ is in roughly the same areas as the ep1 scene.

It's confusing.

She seemed pretty surprised when she looked into the Klan's base in episode three, too.

Unless both subs are shit(CR has the same line), then he does not say "another".

we'll see him again one day r-right

YES. BRING IT BACK

Upon viewing the beginning part of episode 2 (and judging by her reactions in episode 3) it is pretty safe to say that Papika has never seen or heard of Yayaka or the twins. If there was some sort of unseen split or schism between the two organizations during the time between ep1 and ep2, you'd think that, at the very least, Papika would know some of the participants on the other side. Something had to have happened, but what could've happened that would've put Papika in bandages? Did she go and save Cocona from the KKK? If that happened, why didn't they take the fragment from her? I have an insatiable thirst for knowledge when it comes to things like this. I don't like it when pieces are missing. Is it possible that the people behind this show just assumes that the information isn't important? And seriously, why are Cocona's glasses completely unharmed? I don't believe the time loop thing, but why go to the trouble of making things seem normal when Papika and Bu-chan come back one minute later?

I think the bandages were for the wounds she received from the giant tentacle beasts. All your other questions are questions I've had myself and I wish I had a conclusive answer.

She was also suprised that Yayaka worked for them. Which means she didn't see Yayaka (or the twins, probably) between episodes 1 and 2

what the fuck did i watch oh god am i on drugs

The bandages had colors of Yayaka and the twins. Could be a coincidence, could be not.

salt left FOX to pursue his Outer Heaven

>I can't imagine anything but silence.

That's because you have no social skills or experience.