I am from Ohio and I'm a right-winged nationalist here, and I have the idea of gathering 200 alt-right guys in order to establish an organized tight-knitted group and move onto training ourselves. Once we are fit and disciplined enough I feel we can have a peaceful protest, whilst also being defensive of course.
These irl newfags-to-protesting have never studied a protest or a political movement before. I feel like this group could organize it better then they ever could.
I am not asking for a personal army, just for advice. I also will be calling myself the "common sense party" in order to re-label my ideals (NatSoc) in a more favorable connotation.
Good idea OP but i imagine it'll be you and 199 FBI agents
Eli Cruz
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Christopher Smith
lol
Jaxson Reed
I get that, my location has a lot of libs and I also get that the "love" from the FBI I would get, but is it not worth to try and sway their ideologies?
I am somewhat charismatic, not saying I am a professional but I have been capable of swaying peoples stances in many topics. Like I said, we would train together first and that does not mean mere physical training, but also ideological discussions. We would be "intellectuals" minus the lack of activism.
Logan Perry
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Robert Allen
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Elijah Lewis
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Brody Collins
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Alexander Fisher
Capitalist Fascist I presume?
Oliver Davis
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Charles Gutierrez
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Robert Long
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Jackson Miller
What is the blue map in the middle supposed to mean? I recognize it from the Rockwell ANP flag
Lucas Stewart
Almost, the first one I posted is the flag of libertarian fascism, that one is the flag of national minarchism.
Joseph Cox
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Dylan Torres
Supposed to be international nationalism. Rockwell ANP (or well, the ANP in general) is far too rooted in the desires of mere activism. In my eyes they have sadly devolved into a "gang". Especially with their lack of PR abilities.
Quite tragic, right?
Adrian Johnson
My bad, I understood the yellow+snakes was libertarian, it just doesn't make sense to be part of both the organic force of fascism as well as libertarianism, but I am sure someone will prove me wrong by pointing out the small topics that might link up the ideologies as somewhat compatible.
Who knows.
Leo Ortiz
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Leo Stewart
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Brayden Nguyen
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Ian Robinson
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Zachary Bennett
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Henry Nelson
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Grayson Phillips
After Rockwell and Pierce I don't think there is anything that will bring ANP or any similar movement to prominence again, short of a race war
Landon Sanchez
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Caleb Sanchez
It's not truly organic if it has to be enforced, look up Jean Piaget and his concept of the "equilibrated state", or "state of equilibrium".
Andrew Baker
I do agree.
Which is why I am suggesting the formation of a movement which is capable of handling the ideas of self-aware public relationships.
With, of course, the ability to defend itself against antifags and protest loudly, whilst being peaceful. Such as the LGBTFAG+ movement was able to do, they are an extreme minority, but they are loud enough to stir up trouble and had others move to their ideals.
Caleb Roberts
It is organic in the sense that it is a flexible movement which can go from one state to another with different principles. Fascism in Italy was different as Fascism in Venezuela after all.
I will look up Jean Piaget and his concept of the "equilibrated state", but I do not think you know what organic is.
Also, any state is enforced. There is a militarized movement and an enforcement of rules which is why there is a consequence for those whom are deviant.
Jaxson Gonzalez
>Devils trips
I am sorry father.
David Carter
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Kayden Kelly
"When a child's existing schemas are capable of explaining what it can perceive around it, it is said to be in a state of equilibrium, i.e., a state of cognitive (i.e., mental) balance."
I guess I'm too dumb to understand the relevance of this to the topic at hand.
Dominic Ross
youtube.com/watch?v=ehMRhCIo1Ss I do get what organic means there, Rockwell mentions it in this speech. I have read about it elsewhere. You are right on the last point, some degree of enforcement is needed, but I believe it should be the least possible.
Aiden Thomas
The current youth just seems to be obsessed with victimization culture, being outraged by social (racial) "injustice", and of course hating nationalism and anything that even slightly hints towards it. So I can't possibly imagine how to brand (or rebrand) our cause... I would give my life in a second for a true revival of actual natsoc ideals, but it's hard not to feel like 1945 was basically the end of the world
Asher Cook
>Common sense >Any type of Socialism
Brandon Martin
That is where you have failed NatSoc by being incapable of being a revolutionary and believing in the future.
Hopelessness only leads you to the death of your own future and hence forward the loss of your ability to progress forth.
Or am I wrong?
Jaxson Lopez
>National socialism: self sufficiency and nationalizing the agendas for large corporations, at best merging the forms of those larger corporations with the government aspects >Socialism: seizing the means of production and failing at achieving a welfare state
Pick one, one of them has proven to work and turn a shit tier nation into a world power, the other turned nations into even worse then they where before.
I get your hatred of socialism, but it isn't the same stuff.
Lucas Williams
That makes some sense, but it is impossible in a divided nation with such diverse ideologies. It is impossible to plead for anything that is a release of full on regulation, yet it is a wishful desire to be that wise. Yet people are not that self-directed and seem to be self destructive instead. Hence our current predicament, am I wrong in this or not? It is the people who voted in the positions we have now that form our current situation.
I am no genius in the fields of the ANP but I know they failed, and I feel like I know National Socialism well enough to direct the ideals to some degree. Though, of course, if someone betters me then I am always willing to step down.
Adrian Anderson
First things first, you posted a state and a name, if you run with your idea it fails. Secondly, you don't just start a movement by shouting on a soap box anymore. You need to say these things for a while, write something that people can read a few years later. Then you begin to spread the idea through discussion with people you meet, sow it through friends and family. Eventually when a situation opens up politically, you gather what supporters you have, find someone willing to fund your venture and then make a party. However, you also have to play defensive, watch out for infiltration. Argue for your ideas. You will even come to a point where you have to do something big enough to become a "local celebrity", that's when you have to soapbox.
Charles Taylor
No, you're right. I've completely given up. In my view there is no hope for the world and at this point of peak degeneracy I welcome the day the entire fucking thing burns to the ground.
Kayden Mitchell
How about not picking from shit ideologies that fucking lead to totalitarian rule?
Asher Wright
Imo you need a choir with the right kind of vocalists to do a proper protest
get like 40 lads with good pipes on them and they can sound like a 1000. Train them well and they can be your chant leaders
there was a nationalist polish video on here i saw where they showed up to protest an openborders even. They did something similar to what I described.
as opposed to pic related of course
Jason Bennett
Thank you for actual advice.
I am okay with telling you the name and ideas, and switching them up when reality starts. Although I think it is hard to stop a movement in a state if it has no connections to this low-quality thread that no one is paying any attention to. But, of course, I will switch the name to something more clever. "Common sense" holds it too compatible.
I understand that I cannot use a soap box, which is why I will not simply be standing alone. This entire thing depends on me being able to rally up about 200 people first before I can do anything myself. Afterwards getting media attention and carefully crafting my public relationships department to make myself and my movement look less... brutal, so to say.
To gather at least local recognition would be pleasant at first, but I am able to argue for my stance. I am a passionate "intellectual" of my ideology but I'd like to step into some form of activism so I can discuss the topic in public.
I have done a lot of debating, from that nerdy ol' Model UN to spearheading debates in plenty of clubs to varying results. Though I can say happily that I have swayed a large amount of people from their former ideologies, and I have several very loyal people.
Thank you though, and I will take in the idea of finding someone to fund my ideas. But how would that be achieved?
Jonathan King
I will keep that in mind, I never thought of having a small portion of my men/women train in the means of vocal might. That might be an incredibly useful asset.
I love it.
Lincoln Flores
Nihilism is awful, read some Ich Kampfe and try to grow out of it, I have faith in you at least.
Eli Bailey
Sure. >Posts meme of communist socialist book >Something natsoc worked against
Either way, local regimes and elections where still a thing in Nazi Germany. So even if you call something with a ministry a totalitarian system then you cannot say that the people did not have power over their personal lives. Also,
>Subsidies where given to local businesses in order to promote a perfect competition complexity
Austin Lopez
>Be agressive >PASSIVE >aggressive
Youre a faggot and some skinny little 95lb dick sucking lomg haired emo skaterfag with emotional problems is going to bike lock you like a sissy bitch.
Leo Wood
I'm from Darke county op, you?
Daniel Nguyen
You're wrong
Scheubner-Richter said "The national revolution must not precede the seizure of political power; the seizure of the state's police power constitutes the promise for the national revolution" and "to lay hands on the state police power in a way that is at least outwardly legal"
This outlook rubbed off on Hitler. We should absolutely be obfuscating our intentions and propping up our positions on terms like "equity" that any idiot can understand and support.
This persons goals are on the right track except that their branding already sounds atrocious and you want less pre-organization not more.
Kayden Hernandez
What?
I also mentioned that we'd be a group that works out and is defensive, actively so in means of being able to go on the 'offensive' after they try to strike at us.
Also, fairly sure that this force would be far more capable to defend at least if it is trained.
Kayden Mitchell
Sadly I disagree, The act of easing propaganda for the masses makes sense, but I do not stoop down to using labels that others have already used in order for "progressive" agendas.
This is a good idea, but it is not the base of what this is needed for. And organization is key, no other group seems to actually be using it.
Alexander Martinez
That's a no-no user.
Jack Cook
don't go on "the offensive" unless you want to get labeled a terrorist group and heap horrible optics upon yourself
The only way you will have any success is if you are strictly defensive and only crack a commie if they initiate force
Austin Watson
Like I said, they would have to strike first and it would have to be a verified strike.
We would be a disciplined trained group and our responses would be volatile to say the least.
Brandon Wilson
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Jayden Smith
Oh okay
I may have misinterpreted what you meant by going on the offensive. I would still be worried about getting declared terrorists if you are raiding another rally though, best case that will draw tons of feds to your cause.
I am not talking about cow towing to a progressive agenda, rather working within the confines of a closed system to escape it.
Sorry I don't mean actually using the term "equity". I meant finding easily agreeable euphemisms for the ideology, maybe "Unity" instead?
Adrian Brown
I am generally getting the same advice here...
It seems like no one has any more advice for me.
I thank you all for the advice though! I'll see you all in the future hopefully.
Brody Cruz
The government banned businesses that "hurt the culture of the german people" how is that fucking free? if I want to sell midget fisting porn and some faggot wants to buy it they should be allowed to. Nazi Germany wasn't fucking free and your nothing you ever do will bring back that shit stain.
Ryan Morris
Checked
Also, yeah, it promotes the agenda of the nation rather then the destruction of it.
And sadly I hope to prove you wrong leaf. Until then, you remain safe.
Logan Stewart
Good luck man. I'm working on a similar goal. It's tough and pretty frustrating. The main issues I'm running into are that the "alt right" people aren't dedicated or disciplined enough to actually be useful other than online and the legitimate NatSoc guys are too set in their ways of creating a GLR carbon copy movement. I think a lot of it is that things just aren't bad enough for people to actually work together. The autism is strong on the right wing side, you can have people who agree on 99% of things but that 1% is enough to make them hate each other and actively work against their own people. Still I have hope that I'll find the right people eventually.
Jackson Reyes
The equilibrated state is the result of people acting in the world in a pragmatic and Darwinian way; they should act at the individual level in such a way so that the family thrives; at the family level, so that society thrives; at the societal level, so that the ecosystem thrives, today, tomorrow, next week, next year, and across time. That’s the ultimate Piagetian equilibrated state.
Piaget was trying to solve the problem of the relationship between science and ethics.
Cooper Wilson
This is absolutely true, economic collapse is the last necessary prerequisite for revolution.
Don't worry, I am hard at work building autonomous vehicles to help you goys out
Michael Walker
Thank you for your concern, I find that rather pleasant to be quite honest.
Also, I am aware of the power of minimalist media, the idea of making sure the idea is small and understandable. That will definitely be a core program. I definitely do preach brotherhood, unity, and justice when I speak about this in means of acting as a demagogue rather then speaking to individual intellectuals.
Such words stir up the desired effects usually. I have lead small counter protests against LGBT protests irl so far, and it has gone fairly well. I have noticed the lack of actual "unity" though and the faded discipline when the farce-like nature of the alt-right peeks out.
I do have some "loyalists" if you want to call them that, but that is only about two-dozen of people that I could call upon and that I could be sure about right away. The rests are more iffy.
Henry Richardson
Read I have had small success with Alt-Right people, but I feel that if I work out with them and train them rather then call upon a random group once in the blue-moon when leftists are protesting that it could have far better results.
Andrew Turner
That makes a lot more sense.
Isaiah Ramirez
Free to post midget porn? Disgusting
"That a good man be 'free,' be permitted to unfold himself in works of goodness and nobleness, is surely a blessing to him, immense and indispensable - to him and those about him. But that a bad man be 'free,' - permitted to unfold himself in his particular war, is the fatallest curse you could inflect upon him; curse and nothing else, to him and all his neighbors." - Carlyle
Lincoln Ortiz
The thing with equilibrated states is that they can be disrupted by enforcement, or by excessive enforcement, as people would be unwilling to cooperate with them when they are being obligated to do so.
Generally speaking people don't like to take orders, when they feel that they are not permitted to freely decide their course of action they turn to sabotage and rebellion.
I had to ask myself the question of how to "clean" a nation that is of very low human value when you belong to it, my conclusion is to allow those who choose failure to do so, then don't help with the consequences. In some generations only the descendants of the darwinianly successful will remain
Ryan Sanders
Then it has become separated from human nature sadly.
Thomas Carter
Culture, not nature.
Caleb Richardson
Good luck with your fucking group of meth heads and feds.
Enjoy the imagery and style of the Nazis all you like but please kill yourself before trying to grow the right wing with it. National Socialism is dead, anyone who is a Nazi today is a drug addict, a fed, or a mental defective.
Aaron Sullivan
Step 1, don't ask. Look. The rich make their opinions known.
Step 2, don't beg, request. Your going to want to make yourself and your group look serious, like establishment parties look. That will include learning the language of the political elite and it's social traditions.
Easton Jones
Drugs are not accepted in the party.
And we'd probably never kill ourselves lest the only other option is to be tortured by the enemy for information.
And we don't accept skinheads, which is what you're referring to.
Gabriel Morgan
I have that under the knee then at least. I have ties and have a lot of hours in for several common American parties due to my interest in politics.
David Sullivan
Just posted and I can’t even make it halfway down the thread without cringing at your bullshit. Please kill yourself, at best you’re larping, at worst you’ll do actual damage.
Elijah Torres
Read No suicide here, I'm not that sort of hero.
Mason Gonzalez
So edgy.
Ryder Morales
Right back at you with your quickmeme.com
Blake Hall
>tortured by the enemy for information
Okay, glad to see you’re just larping.
Michael Diaz
>Murray describes several differences he sees forming between and causing two emerging classes—the New Upper Class and the New Lower class—among which are differences in or lack thereof in regards to religiosity, work ethic, industriousness, family, etc. Murray goes on to provide evidence that religiosity, work ethic, industriousness, family, etc., have either remained strong or have weakened minimally in the New Upper Class, whereas these same attributes have either weakened substantially or have become almost nonexistent in the New Lower Class. Much of his argument is centered on a notion of self-selective sorting that began in the 1960s and 1970s, when he argues that cognitive ability became the essential predictor of professional and financial success, and people overwhelmingly began marrying others in the same cognitive stratum and living in areas surrounded largely by others in that same stratum, leading to not only an exacerbation of existing economic divides, but an unprecedented sociocultural divide that had not existed before in America.
First: good on you OP - trying to think of a way shed the Nazi imagery and start a movement IRL puts you ahead of 99% of the LARPers and stormcucks here.
To the main point: 200 physically fit, intellectually capable activists is EXTREMELY optimistic - especially if you don't already have some organized base of support.
I think you have the right idea, but I think you're aiming for too much, too soon. Do you already have a developed political platform? Can you make a compelling argument for your platform, and defend it against criticism and attacks? Do you have a plan for messaging, public outreach, recruitment, fundraising? Do you have a plan for how to deal with suspected federal agents/leftist infiltrators and saboteurs?
These are things you need to plan for carefully, because mobilizing 200 activists doesn't just mean mobilizing 200 people - at that point you need support staff, organizers, logistical support. If you're expecting combat (even only in self defense) you should have money raised for potential emergency room visits, bail money, legal fees - you can't keep your people loyal and active if you fail to take care of them. At that point you hemorrhage activists, purely because they have to worry about their own self interest.
I wish you the best in this endeavor OP - I've been working out the details of a similar project in Florida for a couple of years.
My advice is to focus on your platform, messaging, public outreach, and recruitment, first and foremost. Start local, and focus on the needs of your community; if your movement is ever going to succeed, it won't be without the support of your own local community.
After that, take account of your members and finances, start reaching out to neighboring communities, and plan appropriately for future growth.
Remember: all politics are local. Ohio, like Florida, is an especially important state in national politics; a solid foothold in one of these states is, a solid foothold on the national stage.
Lucas King
Cringe thread, can't take an American pretending to be a national socialist serious
Mason Smith
Bad idea in the 21st century. Our movement is a decentralized one for good reason. We do not have the infrastructure to even dream of fighting off the sort of infiltration and mass media manipulation that is possible in this day and age. Thus we must be decentralized by nature and instead learn where to find archmedian levers to push to maximize our utility. That isn't to say that you shouldn't be organizing locally and finding trust worthy people to vet and work with, this article is a very good read on the subject. We all must become stand alone leaders.
Silly Amerikan. These are things you have to keep underground, in case the police track you.
Jacob Campbell
Cringe overload
Alexander Parker
well go kvetch somewhere wheer you're wanted then....
Jacob Johnson
I'm doing the same, I have barely a 50 people group but no name nor logo, yet. Your name is kind of shit tho "common sense party"? I'll give you my plan, have a "protest" but make it more like a march, everybody in uniforms, marching to a podium (with masks for possible attacks), give a short speech of what we want to accomplish politically, give some balloons or something, then leave. But nothing related to Nazism except for the ideology. You should do the same so if we protest it looks like a bigger group, giving people hope or something.
Easton Bailey
I think uniforms are a bad idea. A dress code would be better.
Masks are also a bad idea, because it gives an implication of guilt, or shame.
Jonathan Gomez
Just don't do military-style drills and/or exercises or the Feds will label you as a paramilitary group and bring the hammer down. Uniform should be something small and simple, like a printed pattern bandana worn over specific parts of the body/gear for IFF reasons.
Remember to start small with protests over specific laws and minor policies that would be easy to change. A track record of even minor victorys will improve morale.
Jackson Powell
Where are you at in OH, OP?
Parker Gray
yes, being openly organized will draw attention....loosely defined is better
Jordan Evans
>I have the idea >gathering 200 alt-right guys >organized tight-knitted group
user, you can take out the power grid with 10 guys in 10 states simultaneously.
>AR-15 >Blanks >Rifle propelled grenade made out of pvc to fit over barrel >Shoot at transformers and substations from 50 yards away >Boom, power is out all over the country
You are retarded, user. Terrorists win because they are NOT tightly knit. They shit post on ancient articles and use Proboards that are so abandoned they might as well be the Deep Web.
You are a cia nigger, and you can't even stop the plan I outlined above because it doesn't even require AR-15's - you can use goddamn pipes themselves to hold blank shotgun rounds. NOTHING CAN STOP IT, short of manning every substation in the country, which is impossible. The government wouldn't even guard dams after 9/11.
Go back to the darkness, and let REAL fascists do their thing.
>Night of the Long Barrels
Sebastian Campbell
Fascism can't be capitalist, it's corporatist by definition.
Benjamin Russell
Corporatism =/= an economic policy. It's merely the division of society into groups which serve the state.
Nazi Germany had a free market, in fact they had to barter goods with other countries thanks to the International Jewish boycott of their goods and services.
Asher Johnson
If matching clothes is your definition of effective organization, you're a faggot.
Look at what a disaster Charlottesville was for optics - it looked like a bunch of dorky high school kids trying to look intimidating (and failing miserably).
A dress code would make sure people show up looking respectable; a uniform is completely unnecessary, and a big turn off for most people.
Most people have never fantasized about joining the SS or the black shirts - it's a bad image.
Jose Harris
Ohiofag here. There are many Brazilian jiu jitsu academies in our great state. Please start training. It takes at least a year of diligent training for the average person to be competent enough to be able to defend themselves.
