Why can't normalfags into mecha?

Why can't normalfags into mecha?

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>AZ
Good one

Remove the bottom row.

3 of those anime are good. Can you figure out which ones they are?

Depends which ones, the actual decent ones like Gundam the Origin or the Aniplex shit shows with as many popular people thrown onto a project together like Aldnoah that actually do attract lots of people that way but represent the genre in the absolute worst possible light which I guess is what "normalfag" refers to since as always Sup Forums has a hard time staying consistent with the bullshit labels it makes up for things.

I love how the OP literally chose from the 5 or so mecha anime everyone actually seems to know about aside from maybe 08th MS team which is by far the oldest and I'm skeptical about the average poster knowing about in 2016

AZ is legitimately well made though.
Correction: English speaking normies can't into mecha. Why? Because they have these delusions that all that is good is

>MUH PLOT
>MUH KAREKTERS
>MUH RIGHTING

Without any regard for genre, decade, legacy, visuals, audio, presentation, setting, entertainment value, or anything that actually matters. The standards like this would be fine for books, but not visual mediums and most mecha fully embraces the visual portion.

MS 08-th
Fullmetal panic

God knows what you meant by 3

My bad Eva is a little bit older but the Rebuild movies still ensure most people are at least even aware of it as a franchise. I'd go so far as to say all of them but AZ have their strengths and are good shows though AZ definitely had the most agressive ad campaign of any of them and was when I first noticed how Aniplex approach to making originals was guaranteed to result in a clusterfuck of hype backlash to end things off every single time by its very nature. Haven't been proven wrong by them since.

They think every mecha series is like Bayformers and the only reason they watched AZ was for the staff cause apparently just having those people means a show is going to be amazing. Had it not use Aniplex hire everyone otaku mkndlessle follow and praise approach it would have had the same viewership as the average modern mecha series that being next to none

The thing that irks me about mecha shows is that the MC HAS to have that unique completely overpowered Mech every fucking show.


The unique MC is the only person who can pilot this unique mech.

Fuck off.

>AZ is legitimately well made though.

If A/Z did anything right it showcases that the opposite is even worse.

>MS 08-th
>Fullmetal panic
>good

Just above average maybe.

>I don't know anything about mecha anime
Could have said so from the beginning.

Because Zeta Gundam ruined the genre.

not enough mecha features singing pop idols

In Code Geass didn't have the best mecha

It's not that they don't care for all of those things. It's that all three muhs typically outrank everything unless your audience really accepts everything you listed. Just look at Star Wars. You can also have the opposite effect where they'll enjoy plot, characters, and writing in spite of visual things they don't find appealing. English speaking normies won't regard any of those because culturally they outright reject to suspend their disbelief under most circumstances for a lot of mecha's fundamentals and dislike the visual portion. And really, I guess that's the answer to OP's question. It's pretty simple.

The top three are literally some of the most mainstream popular anime ever. I don't get it.

I don't think spelling words wrong helps legitimize your argument...

More than half of the OP examples don't have that.

The writing was shit, but it had good production quality and the CGI was watchable.

Plot, characters, and writing do matter. Otherwise it feels like I'm watching something passively for the hell of it.

>most mecha fully embraces the visual portion.
Yeah with robot designs that all basically look the same, move the same, and samey pew pew action scenes.

replace Gundam with E7

If your thinking of CGI mecha then yeah that's a huge problem. It's not as bad with 2D stuff though with Ebikawa handling a fuck ton of high profile designs of late there's definitely some similarities between series popping up. CGI though it's like there's one basic design and everything kind of looks vaguely like one of Nadesicos Aestavalis

in fact he wasn't even the best mech pilot or even a mech pilot to begin with

Isn't that how most of Sup Forums consumes most of its anime?

Mecha is the most normalfag genre.

I only watch smart mecha like Cross Ange

>it's a speedwatcher greentext critic episode

Honestly, you might be right.

>NGE not Rahxephon
Pleb

E7 is good though, and hasn't been popular for a long time. AO doesn't exist.

It's also a traditional series with a traditional length.

that's not what the pic is about

the pic is "I don't normally like mecha but those series I like"

and as person who doesn't normally like mecha but like those series (except Gundam) I say E7 should replace Gundam in the list

The Lancelot was widely regarded as Lloyd's masterpiece and consistently mowed down opposing forces until the Guren came about and matched its performance. By the end of it the Guren Seiten strongest KMF and the Lancelot is destroyed.
Suzaku is the best pilot in the show

Maybe? I am literally only speaking for myself with no presumptions for others. I can't watch something unless it genuinely intrigues me .

It's why over 16 years I've probably only watched around 200 but I can genuinely say I was highly enthusiastic about them throughout.

The current generation of Gundam series fit better into the category than a series that can be reduced to homages, interspecies romance, and house music.

And really, only the top three fit. TTGL is every shonenshitters favorite mecha series (i.e., the only one they've seen besides maybe the other two.)

>Why can't normalfags into mecha?

It don't make no sense to invest so much resources into such a machine. Also the precision of its movements as depicted is questionable.

Better to stick with tanks and airplanes.

Does anyone actually like Aldnoah Zero?

haven't watched it CGI bullshit turns me off of most modern mech series

gundam 0079 has the gundam become outdated by the end of the war
same for gundam 00's first season
Macross constantly features grunts
so does full metal panic
08th ms features grunts
Aldnoah is shit but it does this right as well
code geass also does this
eureka seven kinda does this until a certain point
Gundam IBO does this

>Why can't normalfags into mecha?

Because those dancing, flying heaps of plastic shit aren't mechs.

>Does anyone actually like Aldnoah Zero?

There might be *someone* out there.

Mecha is trash though.

>no mecha will ever surpass 0079

I don't want this feel

>It don't make no sense to invest so much resources into such a machine. Also the precision of its movements as depicted is questionable.

It doesn't make any sense to have half of anything in anime but it still happens, also you have cases where in-universe physics and conditions give rise to mecha over conventional warfare.

For example in Eureka Seven their mecha are justified because they're manned alien husks that can be easily controlled with electric currents.

Also because they're just alien husks you don't have to worry about joint maintenance and such as much as you would with a traditional design.

I can say for myself, basically because of the associations I had with it before I really explored more of the titles. I always had a vision of something related to transformers and most of them looked really aritificial, blocky and just ugly. I still really dislike the design of the basic Gundam unit.

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>90% of Sup Forums has not watched Fafner

Way to bait with a pic, OP. Is it of your own making?

slow battle tech tanks with legs are worse though.

At least with the super robot type of mecha you can easily show that they have an advantage over tanks and conventional weapons because they move like fucking martial artists.

But with battletech walker stuff there's not way they work unless they never developed tanks or airplanes in that setting.

All they're just tanks with legs, unless they're low profile like the ones in GiTS then there's no way I can see them as practical.

>Hirai

It's sad that someone like Hirai has TWO great mecha shows hindered by him being chosen for Fukada.

Meanwhile retards lap up anything the old Gainax guard or Bones shits out despite how terrible it is half the time in any aspect besides animation.

Fuck, they even lap up Code Geass when Clamp is just as bad as Hirai in a lot of regards.

I've watched everything in op's chart and more but I came to the conclusion I hate Mecha the only shows I like were TTGL, fumofuu and Cross Ange.

NTRfags

I've never gotten the hate for Hirai, 90% of character designers do sameface, hell Kyoani's been doing it for at least a decade and everyone sucks them off for it.

But I really don't see why Hirai gets hate for his work. A lot of the time the shows he's involved in have characters go off model enough that you don't notice it until you stare at his lineart.

and his style has changed drastically if MJP was anything to go by.

>Cross Ange.
Ironically?

Mecha is the shitposting genre, whether you like it or not.

when i see pepole post about not wanting to watch mecha show's the usually list just the first two, i always find it odd too since CG and GL are heavily influenced by older shows

It's because Gundam SEED Destiny was the defacto "WORST ANIME EVER" for like half a decade.

So all the normals and casuals internalized it as a safe target for them to go "Haha! It's shit. That artstyle is shit. I can say that and all my friends will agree" because they don't think anyone will trash on them for doing so

>But with battletech walker stuff there's not way they work unless they never developed tanks or airplanes in that setting.

What? The battletech setting has tanks as well as airplanes but they are mostly outclassed by the vastly superior mobility and armament of mechs. Further, the mechs are classed according to their tonnage and specifications, from very light, fast ones to plodding artillery mechs and lastly superheavies and everything inbetween with the available technology and money determining what kind of tech can be crammed into any given frame.

I, personally, think that Battletech would be perfect for an anime series featuring say a mercenary company or a conflict between great houses.

But I'm a nerd for giant stompy mechs. Enough so that I spent an insane amount of money on one of these beauties.

>Mecha is the shitposting genre, whether you like it or not.

Nah that makes a lot of sense, the only shows that ever got big on Sup Forums were mostly mecha, or at least featured mecha as an element.

I guess Sci-fi settings allow for the most trianwreck potential because writers feel like they can add any elements and justify it with fake science and other BS.

This used to bother me as a mecha fan but the way it's been at least on TV of late I can't say most shows haven't earned it. It's more just a result of where the industry has decided to drop it's standards all around in some misguided commercial quest for squeezing 5% of he Japanese population of gullible idiots but mecha anime on TV has been dog shit for most of 2010s. Again though so has anime in general.

At first but I think there is something genuine mixed into the it that gave the show it's charm.

Who the fuck likes Aldnoah? It was utter shit in every measurable way.

fedoralords who think that simply avoiding cliches makes them great

Kallen and Suzaku did, and in S2 Lelouche got his own super unique mech that could shield anything because of his super special brain power.

Fujoshi

Funny, considering how many cliches it drowned in. The Mary-sue levels on main character fucking cosmic.

>Mary-sue

Most writers don't want to do it right and they keep giving most of the high profile TV stuff to shitter like Ichiro Okouchi or Mari Okada to run the script into the ground for. Iron Blooded Orphans is one of her less awful scripts of late but on the same token for a Gundam series my god is it boring for extended chunks of time. I'll take it and a stable plot and characters I find somewhat interesting over the random bullshit Okouchi just seems to make up as he goes though and no established consistent characters at all.

desu giant robots are stupid
And it's not that I didn't give them a chance. I watched pretty much all Gundams, including those chibbi abominations from 20 years back. I still don't like giant robots.

I love Code Geass because of Lelouch and everything. Second season was worse because of more robots. OVA was retarded because robots are boring.
I liked NGE for its directing and feeling of mystery. Robots are cool here only because they destroy everything.
Gurren Lagann is about crazy manchildren screaming. Nothing to do with robots.
Gundam Unicorn had nice robot porn, which is an exception I guess. Then again, it may be coreography and animation more than robots.

It has a big fanbase because Slaine carried the show for fujos and otomefags, there's thousands of fanarts and his merch sold well. But even they hate the plot.

If Battletech got anime it would about a special kid who has unique abilities in mech control being trusted the newest prototype that moves identical to a human being and outclasses every other mech in existence combining speed quicker than Icestorm, firepower heavier than Atlas and ability to fly indefinitely. The plot would be mostly about his angst over having to participate in a war.

>simply avoiding cliches
I don't think A/Z did that, but I don't remember to well

What I do remember is that Inaho was a Kira Yamato-tier mary sue and Slaine became discount Char, and failed even harder than Char did.

The whole setting was almost the same as mobile suit gundam except notZeon were living on the moon

And the princess was just lacus, but this time they didn't even try to hide how much of a bitch she is.

They need to make a Gundam series were Zeon wins. It's clearly what the masses desire.

They can't do it, it would mess with the lore, and bandai also doesn't want to seem like they're supporting literal Nazis

Shows how little they avoided cliches. I don't even understand why does mech naime always has to have two warring political regimes with a peace-desiring princess in the middle. How hard is to at least not make one of them a monarchy?

Well. That cured me of that notion.

Thunderbolt is proof that Bandai doesn't care about canon. Also what's wrong with supporting a group that desires independence at any cost? You aren't a moral fag who thinks you resolve all the world's problems peacefully are you?

Post mecha shows unsuitable for stupid people.
I'll start.

No it didnt. It had a huge install fanbase to start when they false advertised Gen Urobuchi as the creator and script writer and his fanboys immediately jumped to attention to advocate for it but later admitted he contributed a plot outline with some suggestions at best that they didn't even follow. After it became clear that Aniplex were being lying shits again support for it dried up pretty fast and then the second season basically drove the nail into its coffin. Like most Aniplex originals it also seemed incapable of following through on even a single subplot cause everything just seemed to revolve around cliffhangers to bait people into watching a show without any clear direction yet again...even though they had an outline that by all accounts made plenty sense if nothing else.

Anyway whatever fujos it picked up were just there for the ride and you can guarantee they've moved on too as always happens.

Sad thing is I know people would have praise ft he shit out of the same scripts had Urobuchi lied and played along that he was writing everything the same way Shinbo claims he directs everything out of Shaft in order to fulfill Aniplex illusion that relies on big fanboy names cause people are just drones that way in the anime community. Once they realized that Urobuchi was a blank check to put out dog shit they started slapping his name on things like Gunslinger Stratos too but to the man's credit it turns out he has some integrity and called them out on it to make them change the adversities for it from crediting him with scripts to crediting him with original game scenario concept which is the only thing that's actually true.

>r genre, decade, legacy, visuals, audio, presentation, setting, entertainment value
3 of these things are the same thing
>legacy
holy shit are you for real

How do we disprove this, nostalgia-bros? It's not fair!

0080 exists if you want to really sympathise with Zeon. Both sides suffered anyway.

>I don't even understand why does mech naime always has to have two warring political regimes with a peace-desiring princess in the middle
because most shows are still trying to copy the success of gundam seed.

There are quite a couple that allow for more diverse political situations thought.
Argevollen
All of Macross
Gunparade
Fafner
Eva
Code Geass had multiple warring factions

But for the most part mecha tend to also do that because writers are probably lazy, and anime watchers are too.

On the viewer's side if there's too many factions things get confusing and then viewers complain that the show is too complicated or messy.

In addition not many modern anime viewers want to have to comprehend the entire political situation of a fictional world when they're not even involved with that of their own.

G-reco tried that two years ago and it recived a mixed reception.

As for the writers they would have only 12-25 episodes to set up a world like that, and knowing how exposition heavy modern anime is I doubt that would work out in a natural way.

You know what else portrayed the common Zeon everyman extremely well?
IGLOO.

>08th ms features grunts
this meme needs to fucking end
it featured dudes who drew the lucky fucking lot in life and got to pilot actual gundams made from the same material that caused the white devil to be nearly fucking invincible
the actual grunts in the show are side characters that pilot GMs and complain about it all the time, and in the end they even fucking die from being blown up

the MC is called an ace multiple times ffs

I liked this show, please don't shitpost with it.

The thing is it's okay to show a single soldier as a sympathetic being, because he's not in charge, or aware of his higher ups' intentions.

But if Zeon won the war it's kinda like you're having a subtle pro-Nazi sentiment in your show, and I doubt bandai wants that to their name

>Thunderbolt is proof that Bandai doesn't care about canon
when it can boost model kit sales, but as far as making Zeon win, I doubt they'd go that far.
Besides I'm pretty sure Thunderbolt is viewed as an AU just like Origin.

Because popular trainwrecks that ended as total shit like VVV and A/zzz jaded normalfags.

How do I become an anime guy like you people?

It's been years since I last watched 08th, I thought that they were just using GMs with gundam heads and leftover gundam parts as a scare tactic?

I don't think technologically the Ground-types were on par with the rx-78

Shitposting is a way to get attention and if it gets more people to watch it, then it did its job.
Besides, it's thematically relevant.

>Shitposting is a way to get attention
it's only gonna get you negative attention though.

When you shitpost a show saying it's the best thing to come out in years, then people go in with heightened expectations thinking it'll be an absolute masterpiece.

Then when it doesn't meet their set expectations they come out shitting on it.

So who is the most memorable mecha character of the past years and why is it Cuck Supreme, Bizon Gerafil?

Of course it is

I follow around a hundred fujo artists that still draw A/Z regularly on twitter, 2 years after it aired. If you aren't familiar with fujo fanbases don't talk about them

>AZ is legitimately well made

thanks for the laugh user

Anyone else think Dougram could have been big with teens if it got brought over in the 80s?

I honestly can't recall a bigger fuck you to mecha fandom in modern times than Aldnoah's whole we're going to surpass Gundam using a super group staff of trendy names....oh wait no actually it's just trash to fill 24 episodes and we've actually got nothing it turns out , not even a proper resolution. I don't think anyone has worse planning in this industry than Aniplex these days and were it not for always coming to bat with just the biggest names in the previous 6 or so seasons I'm not even sure they'd be in business still let alone relevant. Literally all that company can do is copy what worked for Bandai and throw around fanboy trigger names like Urobuchi, Kajiura and Sawano who don't even have to put in work to get praised anymore. Urobuchi writes one episode of most thing he gets credited with virtually producing single handedly of late (Pili and the many people that worked on Thunderbolt Fantasy barely get mentioned at all any time it's ever come up) and Sawano and Kajiura just have to be announced and their fanboys will immediately say their soundtrack is amazing just based off of their generic trailer music that always sounds like the same song anyway.

With these clowns who don't even give a shit aside from maybe Urobuchi when he actually works on something as the apparent engines of this industry and supposedly the unquestioned best in their positions (thanks to not being vetted or critiqued in years more than anything) it's no wonder anime as whole has creatively stagnated and nosedived in quality and there just seems to be no drive or passion in anything anymore. How can anybody be asked to give a shit when the "top people" don't even lead by example as pace setters and will always be more praised and paid attention to for their lamest efforts than you'll ever be with your magnum opus for no other reason than anime fans only pay attention when certain names get dropped anymore.

I need to start on my backlog of 80s and 90s mecha anime, truly a goldmine of anime.