Who /cel/ here?

Who /cel/ here?

How do you even go about buying any nowadays?
Also i'm mirin.

ebay

to expensive and old, I'll just make my own, can't be that hard

Is that Megazone 23? Good shit.

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Fucking nice Megazone cel.

I wonder how hard it'd be to track down cels from obscure anime I like. I'm sure they're mostly lost, but it'd be sweet to have something from Leda or Lemnear, or even Good Morning Althea.

Piss-poor photo but whatever. Just got these. They all come with their keyframe. When I move into my new place, I'll get them framed nicely. As it stands, they live in a flat shipping envelope in the dark.

No, I didn't pay $400 for the Faye.

Only the one.

Whats the best way to display them? Frame?

Nice

>tfw cel animation is dead
>tfw no analog animation method replaced it
I know most anime is still hand drawn but still

>Who /cel/ here?
Yes?

Mandarake sells a lot of them, and the stock is constantly rotating.
Varies from basic shots of no-name 70's series that are maybe $5-10 to nice full shots from Eva or Ghibli that cost hundreds or even $1000+

Probably a lot of other places out there, but that's where I'd go to check.

Megazone 23 had great art

It was THE OVA that started the boom

>Go to Ghibli museum
>See all the old cel stuff and the paints they used and their works at different stages in production
Don't get me wrong, I love what artists can do with digital and webgen (fuck CG in the ass, though) but there's something about cels that's just drop dead sexy.

Every time I go to Mandarake I have to fight the urge to take out a bank loan and just buy everything.

Good CG is magnificent. The problem is that people who are good at perspective, movement, color, and choreography can't utilize CG for shit and the people that are good at animating CG are terrible at literally everything required to make good animation.

You see it in Hollywood all the time. Star Wars CG animation looks good but the actual sequences are atrocious to watch and devolve into shaky cam messes.

Meanwhile the Assassins Creed CGI intros from AC2 to Unity were godlike.

I play lots of games and watch lots of anime, and I've seen plenty of western movies. The best CG I've ever seen comes nowhere remotely close to the best hand drawn. One example of great CG people like to bring up is Guity Gear Xrd, and the entire moto behind the development was "kill the 3D and make it look as 2D as possible."

CG needs to get the fuck out of anime and studios need to start training more real animators and paying them actual wages. Calarts should be nuked for what it did to the world of animation.

I agree. It's pretty rare to see a good combination of well animated CG and visual direction. Though a lot of it is the fact that it's used as a means to cut corners and costs in production, so it gets a bad rep for being misused really.

Chances are you've just got a bias or don't understand animation. It's near universally agreed by art historians and animation experts that Pinocchio is the greatest animated film ever made and that nothing has ever surpassed it.

You also don't realize that it was the Disney board pushing Pixar that killed western animation, not CalArts. CalArts nuked itself into producing webgen style cheap flash animation during that period.

And if you still blame CalArts then you would be of the mindset that there hasn't been a high quality animated film since 1959.

There's also the tendency for Hollywood to overdo things. When they've got fancy CG to play with, they'll go all out HEY GUYS LOOK AT ALL THESE FANCY EFFECTS LOOK AT THEM AND IGNORE EVERYTHING ELSE. e.g. the Legolas platform game tier collapsing stair jump or that scene in King Kong 2005 where the humans were stuck in a bunch of Apatosaurus tumbling down the road. They think CG so they just say fuck it and do ridiculous shit with it regardless of whether it makes sense or if it actually looks good presentation wise.

The best CG usage are the ones that are subtle: used to support or enhance the other elements.

>Chances are you've just got a bias or don't understand animation.
Chances are you're someone who does 3D animation and is mad that I don't like your craft. See? I can project, too. Disney didn't kill western animation, John Lasseter started the process, and the people Calarts puts out are making sure it stays dead. No, saying something is bad now does not mean it's always been bad, I have no idea why you'd jump to that assumption.

And stop redacting posts like you're on reddit.

>Sup Forums - Anime Professors & Historians

If you don't speak Japanese, watch a dozen shows per season minimum, read manga, buy figs, care about anime production and know some anime/manga history without being a 2nd year film student from Sup Forums that doesn't actually like anime and unironically uses the term "moeshit" then you should be permabanned.

I'm 100% serious.

>Disney didn't kill western animation
I'm just jumping in here but Disney/Pixar killed 2D features.

That block when pixar had like 6 back-to-back blockbusters and everyone else was putting out shit like Bolt is what turned 3D into the monster it is today. Disney, Dreamworks, Sony were all turning out crap and pixar was making itself into a titan. Then Dreamworks jumped into 3D with Shrek and HTTYD and with prince of Egypt flopping they turned to 3D and never turned back.
And it's super sad because you see some smaller western studios pumping out stuff like Song of the Sea or Dofus:Book 1, and you see what 2D features COULD be, but major studios are just too timid to try.

>I'm just jumping in here but Disney/Pixar killed 2D features.
And who was the one who pushed for that, that was once in past driven out when Disney still gave a shit? He killed it from the inside.

>And it's super sad because you see some smaller western studios pumping out stuff like Song of the Sea or Dofus:Book 1, and you see what 2D features COULD be, but major studios are just too timid to try.
Honestly outside of watching old Disney movies, Loony Toons, Popeye and other such shows on rare occasions, I can't even remember the last time I watched western animation I enjoyed for it's actual animation. Not even looking at CG, I look at stuff like Rick and Morty or Adventure Time because my brother or coworkers watch them, and they just make me sad.

3D is cheaper and faster to produce as well, it's not just a popularity contest. It makes sense from a logistical standpoint to just let computers churn out the hard stuff.

My goal is to get some good Hajime no Ippo ones in the near future.

>watch a dozen shows per season minimum
Surely you don't mean a dozen shows FROM every season.

It's more important to know a lot about one anime then to passively watch 10 anime.

Man I really miss when anime had actual detail in shots. Everything nowadays looks too clean, like you'd never see that level of detail even in an OVA

>Surely you don't mean a dozen shows FROM every season.
Found the casual.

>It's more important to know a lot about one anime then to passively watch 10 anime.
What the fuck does this even mean?

>Everything nowadays looks too clean
I've seen plenty of detailed, well composed shots in digital, but the rough and raw look for painted cels is something I'll forever miss.

Thank God for backlogs.

It means it doesn't matter how many shows how you watch if you can't answer something as simple as "what does the last shooting refer to" which is something anyone who calls themselves an anime fan should know.

Watching a lot of shows doesn't mean anything if you can't retain important knowledge and context.

>"what does the last shooting refer to"
I can't tell if you're false flagging as someone who generally cares about anime, if you're just a dumb ESLfag, or if you fall under the category of people who don't actually like anime, and think watching 2 shows a year makes you an anime fan.

If you don't know what you're thinking user, I sure as hell don't

Serious question: Do you have Aspergers?

picked up so hard

I've never been diagnosed

But do you think that if you went to get diagnosed that you'd land on the spectrum?

Yes

Holy fuck you're both retarded. Why didn't you just reread your comment chain before replying to each other?

The best ones are always way too expensive.

>Mass quoting 2 people going back and forth
You guys are so silly.

Sure? No?
This isn't going anywhere, if you didn't get my point the first time just reread the post or something.

Mods just ban this autistic, derailing, attention whoring retard so we can get back to talking about cels.

>my point
But you don't have a point. You made the assumption that everyone who watches any sizeable amount of anime does so without actually paying attention to what they're watching/ Given that you're entire "point" hinges on that, nothing you said holds any wait.

Cel is dum, although more detail, it also means more faults

Modern digital art is better because of its cleanliness and speed.

>it also means more faults
I hope you're not implying that grain or that rough painted look are faults, and that everything colored should be one solid color.

I go to one anime convention a year, and one of my favorite parts is finding the vendor booth who has hundreds of hundreds of cels for sale. It's fun as fuck to browse through the books and see the literal pieces of shows you love. Same with stores in Japan that sell them, but I always felt guilty there if I browsed too much and didn't buy anything.

Grains are microscopic artifacts

And I hope you're not implying that they're in any way a bad thing.

how reliable is ebay? seeems like mandarake auction is the best place.

Your dick is a microscopic artifact

Thats a bad thing, unless you fell for the "grains = quality" meme

Fucking savage.

Fucking retarded.

>What the fuck does this even mean?
It means to be a specialist,and not a jack of all trade wiki shmuk.

>Want to watch a show
>Remember I'm not a casual
>Have to spend time looking up the maiden name of the mother of the animation checker for the 45th cut of the big fight scene from the show I just finished watching
>Don't have time to watch anything else
I hate when that happens.

>How do you even go about buying any nowadays?

Don't care to buy fakes which pretty much everything is nowadays.

>go on ebay
>look up X series and throw cel at the end
>random nobody shots for like $20
>cel that shows the elbow of the protagonist
>$400
And most of the things that come up are dougas.

why would the companies even sell their cels?

won't they need them for eventually a BR release? or something else in the future?

>Meanwhile the Assassins Creed CGI intros from AC2 to Unity were godlike.
How do you know that? It arr rook the same to me.

Who cares about the cels, I just want some delicious background art to put on my wall. Something recognizable but not full-blown anime so that I don't get interrogated everytime someone comes over.

>it also means more faults
Hey man, I liked 0079. Besides, wasn't Polyphonica digitally-rendered?