Hello you fucktards today I'm going to teach you all the basics of REAL socialism so when you do argue will a socialist, you know all the basics of socialism
1st "No socialist governments have worked, broken ideology!" lets talk about the former "socialist" countries, I know this may seem like every socialist, but there has never been any socialist/communist countries. These countries are a mix of totalitarian dictatorship and state capitalism. When Lenin died he even said "We know have State Capitalism we know now make the transition to Socialism." Now how did all this State Capitalist Countries fail, well they didn't create a strong democratic government that was able to combat corruption instead they gave the leaders all the power.
2nd "Why do all these damn Commies want to distribute the wealth what the hell does dat mean?" Well it means that our economy will be mostly worker co-operatives and monopolies will no longer be around. Within these worker co-operatives workers will democratically run there business and will have high wages since the manager isn't getting all the money. These workers can also vote a manager every year or so to make business decisions either way higher wagers and will increase income equality.
3rd "Yeah but everyone in a commie government makes the same!" That's a fucking lie. In a real socialist society if a factory worker produces 10 toys and another only produces 5 and they're same quality that worker who produced 10 would get 2x more money. You earn money in business on quantity and quality of your work and not hourly wages.
4th "What's the point to work if everything is given to you in a commie society?" In a Socialist society the really only things that change from our currently USA, is that business are worker co-operatives, stock market isn't taken down, and more income equality. You still have to work for food,housing, clothing etc. In the end it would look like 70s with high wages and income equality.
Come Learn you Uneducated Fucks
>We know have State Capitalism
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Sorry there might be some spelling issues I never said I was educated in the art of spelling English words.
I'm am enlightened thx
refrain from posting on english boards then
>even commie gifs are of inferior quality
I did it cause he's Russian. Bolbi Straganovski is his name.
Tbf most arguments from socialists tend to be semi-literate and incomprehensible, so it's an apt representation.
You clearly didn't actually read marx. Good try though faggot.
Workers are going to vote on their managers? Well I'm voting for a manager that let's me fuck around and not get anything done. Sounds like a great way to kill a company.
What the fuck cunt? You think I have read Karl Marx?
Then they would just loose their job. And have to find a new one.
His theories are somewhat outdated I usually read Dr. Richard Wolff's Socialism which is somewhat Marxist but still somewhat outdated.
Through what enforcement arm do those workers get kicked out?
Did you not read what I typed m8, the person I responding to was talking about the business failing if It was failing the workers would no longer have a job because the business would have just been closed down because of bankruptcy. So I don't know what you mean by that sir, please elaborate.
Or making logical arguments for that matter. Back to Gulag with you.
But under your ideology they would still need to be fed a taken care of. Once you create a world in which they are not by merit you then need to figure out which people are not doing enough work. Then you give them tokens for their work based on quality they can trade for things. Then you become capitalists. If you diverse yourself from your understanding that there needs to be a quality assigned to your work or productive value then you can be a communist.
The purpose of this lesson was not to argue but teach the basics of REAL socialism.
If they don't make good quality items they're business will became bankrupt so they will need top notch quality items to keep it open. Socialism and Capitalism are somewhat the same and different at the same time. Biggest difference is that the Workers own the business and not one person.
How can a system without money have bankruptcies?
Well I know some types of Socialism has no currency and tokens or labor vouchers instead. But in this type I'm explaining money (usd) is still being used. Just for a more simple understanding for people.
How are labor vouchers not just dollar bills with extra steps?
How do the systems without these understand market desires and remove non productive members of the working facilities?
Personally I do not believe in Labor Vouchers and don't know all the information on them. If I was you I would do some research on them to find out . I do know whoever they're used for a fake market and are no transferable. With the type of Socialism I explained to you (Democratic Socialism) if would not be recommended to use labor vouchers but I would assume the workers would vote to fire someone that's not doing his/her part and is being an ass.
>You earn money in business on quantity and quality of your work and not hourly wages.
so what, you mean "from each according to ability, to each according to need" is not representative of real socialism? I thought it was one of the most fundamental ideas.
your descriptions
1) is not approved by most communists, and
2) wouldn't really change modern society.
We don't have factories anymore, the kind of people who "produce 5 toys" are in china the "means of production" are just computers and inequality will not change because the government owns our computers, the guy who creates microsoft is still going to be a lot richer than the guy who builds some shitty website.
That quote is for Communism not Socialism.
You would hope they do, but what if they are more popular or they allow everyone to slack off a lot.
Also, how would a business know if it was failing or not without a currency system and some for of currency that can be horded to fund large projects, ie new factories?
Then why do you have the commie flag.
Faggot.
1. This is Socialism not Communism
2. It would change the economy a lot but not as big as people thing
Factories would came back to USA because companies like Microsoft would be able to function very well because they're monopolies and would most likely ceased to exist and people need more jobs so they would create factories and produce items here.
There's no Socialist flag and Communism is the next stage after Socialism.
First off thanks for these constant questions as I can tell you're trying to learn something. I would see the government making a complex system of worker-co operative maybe they have an inspector constantly there to make sure they're doing their part. They would know they're falling if people aren't buying their items meaning people don't want to consume their products which then there is no point to produce it and the community would shut it down I would think.
"To each according to his contribution" that's the Socialist motto my friend.
Soy Boy
I'm for any form of government that abolishes laws of consent
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Fucking retard.
You've never worked a day in your life.
Please explain what's retarded but I do respect your opinion but would just like to know more.
Vouchers are currency.
If you make something, apply a value to it, and that applied value is its only worth then it is a currency.
Are you that ogre handed faggot?
I have made 3k from my current job at $8 per hour which is 375 hours which is 15.625 straight days.
>State capitalism
You mean another way of saying "not real socialsim"
>come learn about childish fantasies from an uneducated cunt with no grasp of human nature or economics
I couldn't get through your second point without laughing hysterically.
Grow the fuck up before YOU try to educate ANYONE.
This shit is insulting.
The whole point of vouchers is to somewhat end currency. It measures how much you have worked and with them you buy stuff that is equal to the amount you have worked. Like I said to another nice fellow I don't believe in Labor Vouchers and don't study them that much.
Seriously, you're still a fucking child. Fuck off.
Another butthurt commie whining about "muh socialism".
SAGE
At least I made someone laugh! :) A lot better than this man telling me to fuck off and calling me a child.
What's the difference?
Sorry. Stupid really pisses me off. Try not being that.
Explain please I do not know what you're talking about.
The 70s was one of the most horrible times in western history, crime was even worse than it is today.
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Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
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Da sdages of gommunism.
Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
Socialists understand deep down that capitalism is the natural state. That's why they talk about state capitalism.
On a deep level they understand that all government is just a mafia backed up by a circular argument even shakier than the bible proving god exists.
Because capitalism and state are mutually exclusive terms. But mafia and lynch mob are not mutually exclusive from capitalism.
If you have to force people to be moral, all you do is allow immoral people to hide and pass their genes. Same with Christians forcing gays into heterosexual relationships.
People were making a lot more and women were able to stay at home because you only need 1 person to bring the money since they're were a lot more after the 70s women were also needed to work because wages dropped.
I respect your opinion you seem to be very intelligent. Hopefully I taught you something!
>not true socialism
Okay, not true laissez-fair capitalism. Crony capitalism=/=laissez-faire capitalism.