Give me one reason why libertarianism and anarcho-capitalism don't work

Give me one reason why libertarianism and anarcho-capitalism don't work.

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Jews.

Whats the alt right?

Bankers

Someone needs a monopoly on legitimate force, or contract disputes turn into war.

the traffic lights

Dyed hair. Very decadent. Disgusting.

What keeps someone from creating a state in a ancap society?

doesn't solve the problem of profit motive in education, military & mental health.

those things can't have profit motives for what I feel are obvious reasons.

Also many libshits deny borders. stupidest thing i ever heard. also lolbergtarianism is jewish so. that ought to convince you it's little more than a spit shined turd.

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>leftists annex all land
>turn everything into a commune
>starve_commies.exe

Human nature.
>le private military and security companies will compete in muh free market to protect us! Read hoppe bruh!
No dumb dumb, the private military and security forces will collude and take over. Why do they need to compete when they can just rule over you and extract money from you that away? Much easier and cost effective.

Because supporting Capitalism, an ideology which promotes greed, materialism, destruction of the environment, lack of cultural pride, lack of identity, worship of nothingness and money, degeneracy extreme individualism, selfishness and inequality amongst it's own people while larping as rich and successful with a fake high I.Q that's over exaggerated while making memes to falsely accuse the opposing belief of being ignorant and stupider without studying it first is fucking retarded?

Really?

No one said roads?

I have to do it?

It does work, in fact we are living in an ancap society the only thing is that all of the land is already owned by someone so no matter where you go you have to play by that social communities rules and pay rent, but you can always shop around and sign up for a new community, though they aren't obligated to accept you.

It would probably turn into some feodal shithole were you have to call the CEO "My grace" instead of a king otherwise he will ban you from his land and denounce you to his cartell friends so no one else will hire you.
And no one want to pay for every single strip of road they travel

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If we lived in a white ethnostate it would work.

As it is we live with mongrels of all sorts and they can't be left to their own devices lest they form bands of roving marauders and then we simoly have to turn back into a police state.

Expell the scum first. Then we'll talk.

>If we lived in a white ethnostate it would work.
No it won't. Human nature also applies to whites. Everyone would need to be a super human philosopher king. That's not realistic.

Its just competition desu. Absolute free market can do what they want.

>nobody wants to pay for every stri...

Says the cuck paying taxes through his ass, and last time i checked gov had a monopoly on toll roads.

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OK. Becuase idk what it means.
There thats my answer.

I guess that depends on what OP means by "work". What is the actual goal?

A system where only the strong survive may seem terrible to 90% Of the population but perhaps it breeds a society that in several generations will be like a modern Sparta.

that's why.

>ITT: Non arguments

Gonna have to try harder, collectivists.

There are lots of people who have "employment resistant personalities", who can't or won't pull their own weight.

You would have to deal with them before implementing such a society. They number in the millions and would probably form an army of sorts once you took away their Gibs.

>what is hoppean physical removal

Are you retarded?

>I don't like what you said so it's not an argument
Brainlet

You're stupid and don't understand how certain societies form. I frankly don't have the patience to write out several paragraphs and explain it to you.

Better than some greedy company that needs to make a shekel every time I enter the road. The government just needs to build and maintain and that's it

It would work to create an oligarchy.

And in ancap world, child prostitution and child pornography would be OK.

Currently there are only 2 countries on the planet that let pharmaceutical countries advertise directly to consumers; the US and NZ.

The US has the highest addicts of prescription meds in the work PER CAPITA. These companies purposefully market addictive substances to consumers.

Libertariand and ancaps are generally ignorant of research in cognitive and social psychology, regarding decision making. The idea that marketing only informs and doesn't create desire is false, data can actually track the increase in sales per advertising campaing. You yourself can do online marketing campaigns via Google and Bing, and track the data yourself to tweak ads to be more effective.

Pharmaceutical companies would have no restrictions on advertising and we would have country after country of prescription drug addicts. Not only that Libs and ancaps want Heroin, Meth and Crack to be legal... So those drugs would be advertised to adults and kids on TV, Radio, the Internet, and on billboards.

Pharmaceutical companies have the highest profit margin of any industry.

Corporations would rule the country or planet under Libertarian rules.

Because people are fucking monkeys that largely rely on base instincts.

Where you been, user?

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Refugees.

Natural selection.

The weak would become addicts and eliminate themselves from the gene pool.

>you can't say jew
kikes

>m-muh NAP!!!!!!
>niggers behind every corner

Yeah, great ideology. On par with communist shit, only saving grace is that while communists always kill everyone else, ancaps are likely to get only themselves killed.

yup

Economic policy history shows that what actually works to develop countries is planning and protectionism, economical liberalization only occurs once industry has been developed. Libs and ancaps confuse effect with cause, believing that the outcome is the means of the outcome. That is flawed reasoning.

1 books debunk the myth that the free market is the best means for developing a country economically:

Bad Samaritans By Ha Joon Chang
Free Trade Doesn't Work By Ian Fletcher


The market is atomized companies and persons pursuing profit, it has no long term shared vision, or moral code.

The profit motive creates short term thinking. The internet, nanotechnology and biotechonology was started with public funding over a period of 10 to 15 years before the private sector began research and development. Why? Research has shown that venture capitalists want a return on investment between 3-5 years, which mean that innovations that require long term investment is not in the market's capacity.

You can learn about the limits of the market when it comes to innovation in the book:

The Entrepreneurial State By Mariana Mazzucato

Here is a video where Mariana talks about how the public sector has helped technology innovation:

youtube.com/watch?v=cVM91WzUeXk

The economic efficiency arguments of Libs and ancaps for the free market is based on pure theory. Economic policy history is against them, the history of technological innovation is against them. The problem is Libs and Ancaps don't read about economic policy history, they only read Libertarian writers who base their arguments on a theoretical economy, not an economy that has ever existed... Anywhere.

Moldbug dispatched this one years ago. The problem is that libertarians have no way of paying off supporters.

They would be able to make money through prostitution, pornography, and theft. Just like drug addicts do now.

Also there are many prescription drug addicts who hold down jobs for decades. And if you think all drug addicts are lying in gutters, you are very naive.

It depends on everybody (not just libs and ancaps, EVERYBODY) being a) Smart enough to understand how it works and b) honest enough to conduct themselves in an appropriate manner both as individuals and in groups. Besides, there is nothing to prevent market manipulation, monopolies or cronyism.

If ever I meet someone who describes themselves as a libtard or ancap, I check to see if they're just being funny and fishing for a reaction. If they're being serious then I walk away feeling unclean for having been in their company as they're about as beneficial to humanity as paedophiles and junkie scum.

Here's another reason if you are American... The Free Market has not was has been used historically in America.

Capitalist outsourcing has destroyed the manufacturing based in the US.

Conservative economist Ian Fletcher explains why Free Trade is bad for America here...

youtube.com/watch?v=qmUlN3p8qK8

I recommend the book:

Free Trade Doesn't Work By Ian Fletcher

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And this is now a memeball thread.

Here is a debate between a Fascist and an Anarcho-Capitalist.

Exposing the sociopathic nature of pro-capitalist arguments...

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Here is a short video compiling a bunch of arguments against capitalism...

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>anarcho
How does your independent individualist movement stack up against a trained and drilled military?

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and moar

Um, no.

Fractional reserve banking is fraud under AnCap

The VOC did it best.

End stage anarcho-capitalism.
Similar to holy roman empire. Bunch of fiefs of different goverment structures. United against larger monarchical holdings. Serfs too poor too leave. Estates have been passed on
Bretty safe for peasant until dem holy wars happened.
Justify wars as defensive, annexing a threat perfectly ok not against nap. Habsburgs inheriting 2/3 of europe is ok they are private holdings.
Monarchs have pseudopublic land for various purposes but it is their dominion.
Its their land if one violates their word one can die
What is the ancap position on overthrowing monarchy/landowner?

Not true. Parties often turn to private courts in binding arbitration, as it is better than government courts.

Also the first trade contract laws were privately enforced and privately written.

Often a businessman was black listed for not following a judgement which in turn would ruin them.

They wouldnt, all security companies and their employees would only be the most moral ppl, unlike dem police and current security/mercenary companies

Non sequitur.

The traffic lights are currently implemented by the owner of the roads. This would not change. The owner would still maintain traffic lights. The only difference is that the owner would change

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The fact that it requires violent agression and force. This would be something that your crime insurance, private police, or just you and your armed friends would easily prevent.

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As I understand it, it would cause a warring factions scenario. Corporations raising their own armies. Except in this case, it would be warlord Zuckerberg vs. warlord Bezos as an example.

I think it ignores human nature and assumes everyone is a rational actor. Same shit as communism just for right wing retards rather than left wing retards.

Who owns the corporation of the united states?
>act of 1871
Fug now we back to the JQ

Wrote that yourself?

they are two very different things. libertarianism works, faggy marxism doesn't.

Bingo.

People (not even the pro Libertarians and Ancaps themselves) make decisions based on rationality. We are all vulnerable to cogntive biases, as well as social and environmental influences.

Research in cognitive, social and cross-cultural society has shown that. I think you have to be completely ignorant of that research to think that allow marketers and the wealthy to control society would lead to a healthy and happy society.

Fast food (cheap and quick to produce) and insecurity sells.

Education has a very obvious profit motive. Education is a service like any other. That is why private schools exists that take no tax money, even now with a "free" alternative.

Libertarians don't "deny boarders" we just draw different boarders. People's own property is the only boarder they need wordy about. As far as illegal immigration and shit skins, more than 2/3rds of white Europeans used to go back home and not stay in America before welfare existed. This number was far far higher for non-whites with lower IQs. Without a government inviting these fucks in, they will not come, or could not afford to stay.


Finally, military.
This falls under a category of police protection. Likely an AnCap society would be covered by overlapping layers of police companies paid by people to keep their property safe. Agression by a state actor is treated no differently from any other crime with a few exceptions. One exception is that the focus is on defense, and assassination of the agressive leaders. (As they are Dangerous murderers in the eyes of an AnCap society). No nation would want to try and invade a libertarian area, as just as Scotland stood against the Romans it is near impossible to conquer an individual society with no leader.

top kek

Potholes

the roads

People are too fucking dumb.
Also, ancaps are dumb and shortsighted, they rarely wonder what the repercussions of anarcholiberalism are on the environnement.

It's actually alot easier and cheaper for them to sit on their asses and collect payments in safety than take over.

Just thing about it. Glorified mall cops with a few SWAT teams arnt really capable of conquring shit.

To stay competitive with low prices they need to have a small and reactive staff rather than a large bloated thing. If they get to be large they will still be small comparative to the protected population, further it is likely that some people will be with other companies in their local area.

Rather than sit on ass, answering the calls of a few crimes, conquest involves paying for more people, putting the area on lockdown, avoiding you guards being killed by locals, replacing the ones who are with people who won't betray you, and hoping no one assassinates your ass, or calls another security company, all so that you could maybe raise your rates just a bit and tell some people what to do.

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No, war and invasion are so expensive and dangerous they are only initiated by governments

Not really.

Many find they are just happy to work when the alternative is starvation.

As for rioting, that is what an armed population is for. Having a society which fully empowers roof Koreans will prevent rioting.

>Give me one reason why libertarianism and anarcho-capitalism don't work.

Because the major companies main goal is to make money. A govt's main goal should be to care for its people.

Human nature.

jew

Ex Social Worker here

If you take away dem gibs, get ready for war. It won't be something you can sit out if you live near any major city. Better get to know all your neighbors, and hope they own guns too.

Most streets you drive on would remain free.

They would be maintained by the landowners. As of today when a developer builds a shopping mall, or a housing tract, or even an industrial park, the roads are privately built and owned. This would continue.

What happens after they are built is the developer does one of two things. gifts the roads to the local government. (So the government maintains them) or forms an association of the new land owner that pays for the roads (like a gated community)

The only change would be the loss of the option to gift the roads to the state.

What would likely develop are companies that charge a small pittance to the road owners for road management based on size and traffic. These companies could then take on the burden of managing road maintenance. Bidding against each other for low prices and service.

This would keep the average drive free from paying for any road other than the ones he ownS.

Hwys and freeway would likely be managed as toll roads

AnCap is the perfect ideology. Why would any self respecting person be a lolbertarian though?
It just makes no sence why someone thinks that small government will instantly fix the corruption and colusion. The maxists have proven they can successfully subvert any lolbertarian movement.
Ancap or Natsoc/faacist would be great.

Human nature.
You're always going to have hierarchies.

As far as toll roads, I pay California fuel tax of nearly $1 a gallon that goes to maintain roads. In my car that comes out to $.07 a mile in fees on all roads.

If we apply it to highway and freeways only I pay nearly .50 a mile in government tolls. Far more than I would pay if they didn't collect they tax and if I payed a toll company.

In 1900 the USA was ruled by the free market as there were no government regulations to speak of. This of course resulted in heaven on earth, just like it would if we go back to letting the world be run by the free market:

>No minimal wage
>No limit on the work day (12+ hour shifts for shit wage)
>Children forced to work in factories to feed family
>No occupational safety
>No consumer protections (people ate rancid meat)
>No public education in most communities
>No hygienic regulations
>No housing safety standards
>Lacklustre infrastructure
>All powerful monopolies and oligopolies starting to form

Inb4:
>I-its not exploitative guys, y-you don't have to buy the p-products
>M-monopolies and oligopolies c-can never form in a free market

First, prostitution isn't an oligarchy.
2nd pimping a person against their will or without their consent is a violation of the NAP.

As to ads creating desires, not quite. And seeing an increase in sales doesn't mean you changes a populations mind, it could mean you just informed them about you.

I manage an account that pays nearly 60k a month in ppc ads mostly with Google. I can tell you with direct experience that only ads that pay enough in sales to be worth it are the ads served to people already looking to buy. We pay as high a $5 a CLICK for some customers whom we know have bought from competition in the past, and who are currently looking to buy.

Niggers behind every corner how?

Who is paying for their gibs?

Most people carry a defensive gun. And private police and throw them out of the shopping districts if they have no business there.

So pray tell me, how could loitering black people be a problem AFTER we take away all the gibs?

Theft gets them killed.

The first two makes them productive memsbrs of society

>private police
>AFTER we take away all the gibs
Oh yes it's not like they are going to become violent and chimp out. Wait but the government is gone too...

Escaped...... Slavery is a violation of the NAP.

Shooting an unconcous tresspassor is a violation as well.
You need only to roll them to the curb

Their will always be a strongest person, they will inevitably end up making the decisions for everyone

Honestly why buy a plan that doesn't cover assault.

Further, you plan would cover investigation, so they could actually like state police do and show up late to give you a rape kit.

Actually where are the property owners guards in this situation? Rape lowers property values.

Finally why were you not carrying a gun?!?!


This seems a tad fAr fetched

>No nation would want to try and invade a libertarian area
Tell that to glorious anarcho-capitalist Somalia

Niggers

No, this one is actually legit.

Nothing wrong with taking out a theif

I KEEP seeing someone ask this question.

Are you a desperate journalist trying to make a story???

Its really not complex.
Mainstream right are cock suckers like Bush, Romney, McCain etc

Alt right is ANYONE that doesnt follow that belief set. So a diverse range of alternative right wing views.

UNFORTUNATELY, some alt right attention whores, like Spencer, have been given the mental of Alt right leader, when a VAST amount of Alt right DONT agree with him.

This is chaotic

>when a VAST amount of Alt right DONT agree with him.
True but why? If you say he is too radical or his little roman salute offended you gtfo.

Why is people ignoring this? It's actually a good argument. Anarcho-capitalism can only work in highly educated and culturally homogeneous societies, that's why it dosen't work with niggers

I never said prostitution was an oligarchy, so I'm not sure why you wrote that.

I never said anything about sexual slavery, but you are OK with script drug addicted adults and children prostituting themselves to afford their drug habit? The age and consumer restrictions on selling would be completely lifted. The US has the highest script drug addicts per capita on the planet, with more ability to sell to adults, teens, and children it would be even worse.

What comprises of culture? How is culture created? Values, behaviour, habits, sexual habits, communication habits, etc.

Marketing influences all of those things.

Also, like I said the wealthy would have the most influence in society. They would have controlling stakes in companies (due to having the most money).

A lot of people complain about control that facebook, google, etc exert regarding political though on their platforms. The wealthy with controlling stakes will continue to do similar things in society, with absolutely no restrictions.

Regarding your marketing experience...

Are you honestly telling me that within the demographic of people looking to buy, certain ads don't outpeform others?

I know that they do, marketing data shows that it does.

I'm pretty sure you know this.

Which shows that certain ads are more attractive than others, not all ads are equally attractive in the click through rate.

Rootless transnational globalist elite.

What if some people subject themselves to it willingly

>Rootless transnational globalist elite.

That's a class that Libertarianism and Ancapism will perpetuate/create.

Those with the most capital with accumulate more capital. An in a society where money = power (eg. vote with your dollars), a transnational oligarchy of wealthy families is inevitable.

Not close to AnCap.

Not even a little