Could Kira beat characters like Saitama or The Z warriors with Bites The Dust?

Could Kira beat characters like Saitama or The Z warriors with Bites The Dust?

He could beat them with base level Killer Queen.

He'd just be repeating what's already been done to Yamcha and Krillin

I don't think he could defeat any of them since the explosion doesn't seem especially powerful compare to what they have dealt with.

that's not how KQ's explosions work.

Base Killer Queen wasn't strong enough to kill a middle schooler. A point blank Sheer Heart Attack even left Jotaro standing.

>Stand that can turn things into bombs and potentially make you relive the event as long as the user wants to
>People that fight planet busting super beings
>bombs with conventional explosive power despite being potentially anything made contact with.
>People who have survived cataclysmic moves from aliens and other phenomenon

I legitimately don't know what is wrong here. The shows being compared here are based on making fun of their own insane power levels.

Kill Queen literally annihilates a target from the inside.

KQ explosions doesn't have a exact level.
It just explots wathever kira wants to explote.

There was that time Recoom's blast exploded inside him and it didn't do much damage.

Except only a stand user can see and defend against a stand attack.

>Can x character beat y character?
Maturity levels at an all time low whenever this type of discussion comes up.

Again, That's not how KQ works.
It just make things explote.

It's an internal explosion so yes. Goku was dying from a heart disease so whatever strength he projects externally doesn't apply to inside his body. It's also a stand explosion that completely erases the target no matter what. That applies for bombs 1, 2 and 3.

Stand powers are absolute but with rules and regulations

Killer Queen Base blows people out of existence on mere contact. All he would need to do is grab hold of one of them and they'd be blown away. Not even gonna bring up BTD which would win off the premise that he could use Hayato to spill his identity and insta-kill anybody, then he could simply revert back an hour, ignore the fight entirely, and watch the fireworks.

>Z warrior uses a ki blast, Saitama punches the air
>Kira dies

>KQ touches a Z warrior or Saitama
>They die

Both can kill each other fairly easily, it's just that Kira has way less range.

Yeah but they cant see KQ and so they have no way to defend against it. Its not like someone like Kira would purposefully fight at a disadvantageous range anyway.

Saitama would just punch the idea of bites the dust.

Killer Queen just looks like a bomb, and it is never clear its real power, take the douchebag for example, He just as much as touched him and he desapeared completely

The thing is Kira isn't really able to get a surprise attack on them because they're all OP as hell. Base Killer Queen wouldn't work because he would have to get too close, he might have a chance if he attacks remotely with Sheer Heart Attack or Bites the Dust, but that would be tricky to pull off. Of course this is assuming his opponent have no idea they're being attacked and just nuking the place isn't an option for whatever reason.

He can't beat them in a straight fight due to DB characters being faster and BTD is very situational since it assumes they are looking for him and unwilling to blow up the entire area

KC doesn't make explosions, it turns you into an explosion. It can also just quickly and quietly disolve you. KC's power is absolute and the physical fortitude of what he turns into a bomb is irrelevant.

If it was that strong, he would have been able to literally just put his hands on the floor and hold the entire town hostage. And KQ sucks dingus in close combat, why would it still lose to Crazy Diamond in melee if a touch would let it win instantly?

> (You)
>If it was that strong, he would have been able to literally just put his hands on the floor and hold the entire town hostage.
He wants to live a quiet life, and holding hostages complicates that. He loves morioh and would not do anything to harm it.
>why would it still lose to Crazy Diamond in melee if a touch would let it win instantly
Same reason hermit purple wasn't used to find kira.

Have you read the manga?

KQ is slower than CD and Josuke makes note if he gets touched he fucking dies, so he tries to fight Kira at a distance and he straight up dodges multiple attempts to bomb him.


It lets him turn an object into a bomb itself, he cannot turn a town or multiple things into a bomb, a human counts as one whole object.

Most likely not. KQ's power is only enough to kill normal humans. No matter how scary stand users are, they're still normal humans. If it can't even hurt stands, then it's not going to be able to hurt anything more durable than it. Josuke's stand has made contact with it multiple times, but it never exploded or was ever used as a bomb. Most likely because it's too strong to be affected.

KQ blocks Josuke's hits

That is the most contact it has.

KQ has to touch the target with its fingers to turn it into a bomb, it's a certain trigger.

blocking attacks with his arms wont do that.


and this isnt the last time something like this shows up, Mandom in Part 6 has to press a watch in order to turn time back 6 seconds, and that needing to touch the non stand watch is part of his downfall.

KQ can easily destroy stands, as evidence by Atom Heart Father and Harvest.

Precisely it has to touch something with its right hand, then detonate the touched object with the same hand. Since SHA is the left hand's ability.

You are right user

Also in my original post I meant Part 7

>Everyone here trying to say the KQ would annihilate any one it touches.
>TOUCHES
>Krillen one of the weakest z fighters can out jog a car and fly, not to mention every z fighter can long range fight easily
>Saitama can move at the speed of bullshit hax

Yah, no. Kira loses just on the fact that the first time any of those people touch him he has already lost.

Probably neither, the Z Fighters are all retarded and wouldn't be able to track down Kira like how Jotaro and co. did, maybe Piccolo but that's a stretch and Kira wouldn't really ever seek out to kill the Z fighters because he explicitely states that he dislikes battle, while he claims to be able to have killed Josuke and friends in an instant, he chose not to, and judging by the power of his stand, I am going to assume that is something thats true.

Saitama is too stupid to find Kira, but he probably could survive an explosion that isn't Bites the Dust

Assuming it is a straight up brawl yeah he loses, but if you take in account Kira is a sneaky bastard and only stand users can see or damage stands then it can go either way.


Kira is basically Batman in this argument.

If he has prep time he wins.

Is BTD an instant kill? Rohan had a couple seconds to cling to life before he blew up completely, so even in the best case a Z dude could blow up Kira

Sensing ki could probably also sense stands even if the couldn't straight up see it, not to mention Goku multiple times just feeling people's intention to do harm or not and react based on that.

>Base Killer Queen wasn't strong enough to kill a middle schooler.

An explosion caused by Killer Queen couldn't kill him, but Killer Queen can turn him into a bomb and in that case he just dissapears, no matter what. The explosion is really a secondary effect.

Not really. You cannot hurt stands. All he needs to do is have KQ in front of him and suddenly none of thier hits land. Then he just needs to grab a part of them and they cannot move. Only a stand can defeat a stand, the caveat being you can kill the user. Without knowing it's a stand they're dead. He touches them without taking one iota of damage and they die.
Even MORE importantly, not a single one of them fights properly from the get go. They all start slow and playful. Kira just drops people. Instant death.

That would imply they knew who he was. Stand fights are constantly abusing the fact that you don't know who the user is in later parts, you filthy secondary.

Most Jojo characters could beat almost any character from another universe if they did it assassination style. In a fair fight most of them would lose because they are normal people plus a ghost with superpowers, they can't survive explosions that level cities or personally move at super speed.

That's why BTD rewinds time. The first time, you explode when you discover Kira's identity, but the subsequent times you explode without realizing it. Kira doesn't even have to be close, neither the bomb person, and the fact that you met the bomb and learnt who Kira is dissapeared thanks to the reset.

>Sensing ki could probably also sense stands
Nope. Stands are psychic. Jojo has ki equivalents and they do not interact.

You're messing the moveset up.
KQ:
Anything it touches is a bomb that explodes leaving no trace. That explosion can interact with anything Kira chooses (which is what hurt the stand users, he never made them into a bomb).
SHA:
It explodes like traditional KQ, with the added bonus of following people and being almost impossible to kill.
BtD:
It creates small explosions and reverses time leavine fate in tact.
SC:
It fires invisible and basically undetectable bombs at people that can be moved in anyway you like, and cannot be conventionally destroyed. They are capable of killing people like traditional air bullets but they may also explode.

>neither the bomb person
BtD doesn't have a 'bomb person'. That he left it in his son is just a clever idea as opposed to a powerset. He can manual reset whenever he wants.

DBZ characters can just ki blast him

Goku has psychic abilities so he still wins.

Of course, if his opponent doesn't know they're being attacked, then Kira can kill them with nothing but pumping into them on the street.

That is actually false.

He has to have BtD on a person as the bomb for it to be triggered to go back in time, the trigger involves his identity.

That's why he puts it on the nurse at the end and tells her his name

>Nope. Stands are psychic. Jojo has ki equivalents and they do not interact.
>Source your ass
Stands are literally a manifestation of life energy given form by psyche. Literally made of ki.

Stands are psychic energy, that's why the psychic in part 5 was able to sense Diavolo inside of Doppio.

>there are no ki equivalents
>Stands must be ki
Source wikipedia

Nice try you tertiary. They are literally refered to as psychic energy and other ki like things exist and do not interact with them. Kill yourself.

>Nope. Stands are psychic. Jojo has ki equivalents and they do not interact.
False remember Joseph and Hamon plus Hermit Purple?

Yes. He sent hamon down HP? That is not an interaction. You could send flames down HP if you can a bottle of gasoline. Stands are their own thing and, for example, blasting them with hamon does nothing, despite them both being generated life energy.

Not that user but even if they can sense the stand they still can't see it.

Remi is a ghost and she still cannot see stands, stands can only be seen by other stand users.

Hamon isn't ki. It's basically kinetic energy produced by the blood at a wavelength equivalent to sunlight.

What the fuck is wrong with his hair, why is it white? God damn DP his head looks retarded

>Shaped by Psyche and have their own mental state
Yes so a psychic could sense them, that literally makes no difference on what power makes them up.
Your post doesn't even refute anything, them having another form of ki doesn't mean stands aren't also a form of ki. As for it not affecting stands that wasn't the point of my original points, just that stands being relatively close ki energy could be sensed by the z fighters, just like the z fighters can sense "god ki" despite it being on a different wavelength then they normally use.

Would you prefer watermelon?

>hamon isn't ki
>ki traditionally being a life force energy
>hamon is made by deep breathing and is generated from oneself in a natural way
It's an extremely close equivalent.

Sure
I can already imagine how dumb the scene where his combs his hair looks because I've seen screenshots of normal Kosaku
So he combs his black hair and it turns white? Holy shit at least a dark green kind of makes sense

>doesn't mean stands aren't also a form of ki
The series has loads of infered and implied fantasy elements. In this series it is stated that nothing, not ghosts, not hamon users, not spin users, not evles, not vampires or anyone else can see stands if they do not have one already.
If stands are a subset of ki, then like powerlevels in dbz, they are VERY well hidden and wouldn't be able to be sensed.

I prefer tangerine, they're good for the skin.

But isn't. It's vibrations at a specific frequency, not energy. It has additional effects that are similar to some versions of ki, but that's neither here nor there.

>vibrations
>not energy
My little user cannot be this retarded

Great color scheme. In my opinion, the red eyes and pink skin combo they used for Killer Queen doesn't work at all and same for the bubblegum Star Platinum but that's because they already established what SP looks like and then changed it anyway.

It's not a vibration, it's a ripple.

Energy travels along vibrations, it is not vibrations specifically.

>or anyone else can see stands if they do not have one already.
Oh so just like dbz where people that can't use ki, and even a large number of people that can, can't sense it in a person, while the z fighters have trained to do just that
And like powerlevels in dbz they are likely hidden until you try to use it, then become noticeable and able to be reacted to.

So what then sustains hamon when it leaves the body and gives it all the unusual properties?

Perhaps if, like you, I ignored the middle of my post and just focused on the begining and end but no. There are plenty of things that can be sensed. Plenty of powers that others with powers can see. Stands are special among them. They are inherently impossible to percieve unless you have one yourself.

The first bomb would kill anyone in the DBZverse.

It's not a physical bomb, it is supernatural. It will erase things and people regardless of strength or defense and could probably only be countered by another supernatural ability.

Better than waifuposting

Killer Queen's bombs are not PHYSICAL bombs, they have no quantifiable strength, they're binary working supernatural abilities that kill their opponents outright through contact.

Isn't ki basically a supernatural ability?

No, he could barely beat the Morioh scoobies even with Atom Heart Father running interference for him.

Said vibrations. That's why you need to remain in touch non-organic material, which cannot hold the vibrations, only conduct them.

Non-living matter while unable to generate Hamon, can hold it, the length of time dependent on how well it can conduct Hamon. The best weapon a Hamon user can have is a scarf made from fiber from an African beetle's exoskeleton.

Unlike energy, Hamon MUST flow from source to target, and can only be "held" by organic matter. Energy like ki can be projected.

No, it's not.

Ever since the glorious recent shitstorm, the overall thread quality has become total shit.

As awesome as it was of the mods to sticky those threads, feels like they've done more damage than good by a large margin.

>I only have mature discussions on Sup Forums for mature anons such as myself.
We're all manchildren here, user. There's no need to pretend around us.

No, ki and chi are rooted in physical energy like fire or water and they're produced by the body physically in DBZ. Supernatural abilities in the JoJo universe are basically beyond our living dimension and cannot be affected by any physical person or energy.

Where did you put the BTD OP?

In my opinion:
Stand Proud > Bloody Stream > Sono Chi no Kioku > Great Days BTD > CNBT > Great Days > Sono Chi no Sadame > Chase >>>> CNBT remix

Or if you are psychic like user point out early which Tein, chiaotzu, Bardok, debatable Goku, the Kai's, and to an extent the namekians.

>goku
>debatable

He read krillin's mind and was shown using TK on multiple occasions.

I think the white parts are supposed to be his shaved head?

Except that doesn't mean anything. The guy who talked about psychics in p5 fucked up. She understood the split personality but not the stands. Stands are only seen by other users. There are no exceptions to this rule. Stands don't use powerlevels they use 'rules'. This is one of them.

So is hamon. It doesn't make a difference. Where ki and hamon might to x damage to a limb that has x resistance resulting in it exploding, stand powers work under absolutes. That is to say x resistance is irrelevant if the power is that you explode.
First bomb destroys the bomb without a trace, the explosion may also hurt things as a normal explosion would. If an opponent were turned into a bomb they would instantly die without a trace.

Kira would have been fucked if Hayato wasn't a loner and had a sidekick helping him snoop on his parents.

Why can it be 'held' by organic matter? The reality is vibrations subsist without energy to sustain them. By virtue hamon is an energy generated by and sustatined through life/organic matter.
You think you've found clever loop holes but the moment you pretend that vibrations can exist in a vaccum with no causal connection to an energy, and that they do not continue to survive on this energy transfering to other objects you had dug your own grave.

SHIT taste. Bloody Stream>Sono chi> BTD remix> else

Where the fuck can you find this colored version online? It looks beautiful.

You dare sully the great works of Araki-sama with cursing?

Leave this place immediately you fucking philistine.

While vibrations do carry energy, The energy itself is irrelevant in Hamon. It's noting more than simple kinetic energy. It's the frequency of those vibrations that's important, and that they can only be held for any appreciable length of time in organic matter.

You could theoretically create a device that can replicate Hamon by sending a blood analogue back an forth in tubes at the right frequency. The source of the vibrations is meaningless, be it sunlight or breathing. Unless the sun is alive and beaming life energy to earth.

Not really.

Even roshi could blast him from several hundred thousand kms away, KQ has shit attack range.

Except that you're wrong. Here's two counter points:
1. Zeppeli was able to give his energy away as a permenant boost so clearly it is not so simply generating frequecy as Johnathon wasn't perpetually using hamon from that point forth
2. That the energy is capble of containing and obeying intent in its use would imply that it was stored in the energy used. Hence the energy wouldn't simply be kinetic it would be some level of super natural, i.e ki.

He wouldn't know who was attacking him until the first bomb was planted. There is no way to detect stand users for non-users.
Well, other than seeing their unusual behaviour over a long length of time.

Except They later talk about how Hamon is purely the vibrations formed first in the blood, and then transferred into other objects, and propagates health and well being in living things, while being hazardous to the nonliving.

It runs on Victorian beliefs, psuedo-occult practices, Eastern mysticism, as befitting the time frame it was most effective. Much like the idea of trepanning to unlock the higher powers of the soul and mind, i.e. the stone masks.

If Hamon was magic or super-natural, it would have been described as such, not as explicitly natural.

Long story short here's the Watsonian answer: Hamon works because Araki said it does, and it's not magic or supernatural. Anyone can use it, it's just a matter of breathing right. It isn't ki because he said it isn't.

If you were arguing that Stands are ki because they are super-natural, you'd have a leg to stand on, but they a definitively psychic power, which is different from ki, even in Dragon Ball.

By your logic neither ki or hamon is super natural because all things produce it. In that case you wouldn't have a leg to stand on when you compare ki to stands as only certain individuals are capable and it doesn't occur naturally. Meteorite -> bloodline
Arrow -> bloodline.
In SBR verse people are capable of obtaining it through completely mastering a craft (and as such generating a lot of 'fighting spirit' which is how stands are sustained) however even in that story the people who developed stands were in direct contact with Jesus, a entity which grants stands.
You just ruined your own argument.

People were getting Stands for just working at something since Part 3, namely Avdol, who had one from birth. In Part 4, Tonio, the user of Pearl Jam got his by just being passionate about cooking. Literally anyone can get one, it's just that most don't.

Kira is not a direct fighter so to begin with you can't compare them. In terms of sheer power Sheer Heart attack is literally indestrucable and bombs 1 and 3 and instakills if used directly on someone. Sheer Heart can be defended against but pursues endlessly and can explode endlessly if directly touched.

So if the meaning of the question is can KQ kill then yes. If its can it beat them in a 1 on 1 fight then no, but with the caveat that most of JoJo 'fights' are not power level fights and are completely about outplaying the opponent.

Cuck

>People were getting Stands for just working at something since Part 3,
>avdol
>working at anything
He is a bloodline case and mentioned as much during the initial introduction to stands. Tonio is a much better counter point. I could speculate that he is likely a bloodline case too but I don't think either of us have the evidence to back up whether he was or wasn't. If he had it from birth/teens he is clearly a case of bloodlines.

He was described as gaining it while travelling the world learning about cooking.

He has a pretty good chance of taking a z-fighter that isn't using God ki. As long as he isn't dying by shockwaves they wouldn't be able to land a hit on him due to the stand blocking it all. The moment they touch the stand first bomb activates and the match is set.

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