Can someone redpill me on net neutrality with actual facts and sources?
How to you respond to the following:
1. Everyone on leddit is saying that if this proposal passes, you will be charged extra for using certain sites. Is there any evidence for this and what evidence is against it?
2. How will this actually change anything and what benefits are there?
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Fuck off shill
>That butt.
FOR DECADES BEFORE 2015 NOTHING WAS WRONG WITH THE INTERNET
NN IS A GOVERNMENT POWER GRAB
ALL THESE PRO NN PEOPLE ARE NETFLIX AND FACEBERG PAID SHILLS
FOR DECADES BEFORE 2015 NOTHING WAS WRONG WITH THE INTERNET
NN IS A GOVERNMENT POWER GRAB
ALL THESE PRO NN PEOPLE ARE NETFLIX AND FACEBERG PAID SHILLS
FOR DECADES BEFORE 2015 NOTHING WAS WRONG WITH THE INTERNET
NN IS A GOVERNMENT POWER GRAB
ALL THESE PRO NN PEOPLE ARE NETFLIX AND FACEBERG PAID SHILLS
FOR DECADES BEFORE 2015 NOTHING WAS WRONG WITH THE INTERNET
NN IS A GOVERNMENT POWER GRAB
ALL THESE PRO NN PEOPLE ARE NETFLIX AND FACEBERG PAID SHILLS
FOR DECADES BEFORE 2015 NOTHING WAS WRONG WITH THE INTERNET
NN IS A GOVERNMENT POWER GRAB
ALL THESE PRO NN PEOPLE ARE NETFLIX AND FACEBERG PAID SHILLS
FOR DECADES BEFORE 2015 NOTHING WAS WRONG WITH THE INTERNET
NN IS A GOVERNMENT POWER GRAB
ALL THESE PRO NN PEOPLE ARE NETFLIX AND FACEBERG PAID SHILLS
FOR DECADES BEFORE 2015 NOTHING WAS WRONG WITH THE INTERNET
NN IS A GOVERNMENT POWER GRAB
ALL THESE PRO NN PEOPLE ARE NETFLIX AND FACEBERG PAID SHILLS
FOR DECADES BEFORE 2015 NOTHING WAS WRONG WITH THE INTERNET
NN IS A GOVERNMENT POWER GRAB
ALL THESE PRO NN PEOPLE ARE NETFLIX AND FACEBERG PAID SHILLS
FOR DECADES BEFORE 2015 NOTHING WAS WRONG WITH THE INTERNET
NN IS A GOVERNMENT POWER GRAB
ALL THESE PRO NN PEOPLE ARE NETFLIX AND FACEBERG PAID SHILLS
FOR DECADES BEFORE 2015 NOTHING WAS WRONG WITH THE INTERNET
NN IS A GOVERNMENT POWER GRAB
ALL THESE PRO NN PEOPLE ARE NETFLIX AND FACEBERG PAID SHILLS
FOR DECADES BEFORE 2015 NOTHING WAS WRONG WITH THE INTERNET
NN IS A GOVERNMENT POWER GRAB
ALL THESE PRO NN PEOPLE ARE NETFLIX AND FACEBERG PAID SHILLS
FOR DECADES BEFORE 2015 NOTHING WAS WRONG WITH THE INTERNET
NN IS A GOVERNMENT POWER GRAB
ALL THESE PRO NN PEOPLE ARE NETFLIX AND FACEBERG PAID SHILLS
FOR DECADES BEFORE 2015 NOTHING WAS WRONG WITH THE INTERNET
NN IS A GOVERNMENT POWER GRAB
ALL THESE PRO NN PEOPLE ARE NETFLIX AND FACEBERG PAID SHILLS
Net Neutrality is 2 years old and none of these problems existed before it
>autistic screeching
Wew senpai chill a little
>please tell me what to think, im afraid of learning real facts
Can I get a search function?
Lazy niggers, look it up.
Reason has a good interview with Pai. Legislation often does or is the opposite of what the name indicates (eg. Patriot Act). The only harmful monopolies are enforced by government fiat.
Tattoo on the left hand side. Terrible.
1) Fake news
2) Nothing will change for users
You're being manipulated by the kikes.
Hello, you seem like a sensible person.
I'll tell you all you need to know about net neutrality.
First, understand YouTube and Netflix are really good.
ISPs are all money hungry assholes.
And so we will be have to pay more to use those sites.
And Facebook, too.
Some are saying these sites use the most bandwidth, and they benefit the most from NN because they would be spared from paying for their overuse of bandwidth.
That's a lie from neonazi Russian troll bots to distract people from real issues.
The fact of the matter is Hillary had more votes and should have won
IT WAS HER TURN AND ALL OF THESE CISWHITEMALESCUMAREALLNEONAZISTHATAREVIRGINSANDWANTTODESTROYAMERICAANDBURNGAYSANDDEPIRTIONTHEFUNNYBROWNPEOPLE
2005 - Madison River Communications was blocking VOIP services. The FCC put a stop to it.
2005 - Comcast was denying access to p2p services without notifying customers.
2007-2009 - AT&T was having Skype and other VOIPs blocked because they didn't like there was competition for their cellphones. 2011 - MetroPCS tried to block all streaming except youtube. (edit: they actually sued the FCC over this)
2011-2013, AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon were blocking access to Google Wallet because it competed with their bullshit. edit: this one happened literally months after the trio were busted collaborating with Google to block apps from the android marketplace
2012, Verizon was demanding google block tethering apps on android because it let owners avoid their $20 tethering fee. This was despite guaranteeing they wouldn't do that as part of a winning bid on an airwaves auction. (edit: they were fined $1.25million over this)
2012, AT&T - tried to block access to FaceTime unless customers paid more money.
2013, Verizon literally stated that the only thing stopping them from favoring some content providers over other providers were the net neutrality rules in place.
Eat shit and die autism kiddo
>i don't use amazon prime video
>i don't use netflix
> only use faceberg to troll
>don't care about black twitter
>most good youtube channels are getting censored
RIGHT NOW
NN prevents ISPs from favoring certain sites over others. So if you enjoy opening Sup Forums reddit cnn fox pornhub xvideos all with the same speed and quality, you want net neutrality
if you want the ISP to decide what websites get preferential treatment, you are probably like trump and have a few extra chromosomes.
Mouth breathing alt righters will not understand this.
yeah that's pretty rough.. sorry user :/
The biggest issue is that sites like Netflix, YouTube, amazon, Google, all use the most bandwidth. These sites are heavily against NN because then they have to pay money to ISPs for all the bandwidth they use. The argument that taking down NN would end censorship is false. We get more censorship from the above sites anyway.
Why was the internet like that before the "public utility" rules and how will repealing those rules revert us to a status quo thay never was?
Is something snuck into the proposed changes that ends "common carriers"?
Have you read the proposed rule change? It was just published this week.
Does the FCC have the authority to end "common carriers" without Congress?
>netflix
>these sites are heavily against NN
twitter.com
How does someone so stupid manage to live
...isn't that a list of incidents where netneutrality was upheld?
not an argument
NN was enacted by the greatest president of the modern era in ~2015. These are examples of the practices that were attempted prior to the government outright saying fuck off you cant do this.
God that fucking body is perfecto.
I was asking questions I don't know the answers to. Do you, strangely hostile plebbitor?
This is all you need to know
Lots LOTS of disinfo shilling combined with autism on this topic.
They talked about us at Bilderberg last year. Not just us, but the whole online populism thing.
This was one of the solutions. Kill net neutrality in the centers of power. Who cares if fucking Canada still has it? It needs to go in the USA and the EU so that normies turn by preference to the approved MSM lies. It will allow a small financial incentive to be created to do so.
What butt? I thought it was a picture of hank hill.
>Paid for by Koch Bros.
So guns, eggs, flags and bacon are against NN. Makes sense you guys are connected on intelectual level with literal inanimate objects.
Here is what will literally, actually happen, screencap this:
Nothing at first, things go on as normal.
American ISPs announce that they are banning the "vile, dangerous hate site, used by Russian hackers in 2016, Sup Forums"
Progressives are so happy they don't say anything when prices get fucked and ISPs start throttling sites owned by competitors
You never see an American on the internet again
>tfw 'greatest president' isn't a meme and the government is a group of vigilantes seeking justice for its' citizens.
1. Removing NN will give ISPs the power treat traffic differently, and they will bea able to freely prioritize one sources traffic over another's. If you create different tiers (differentiation) you can charge more for faster tiers.
2. Who knows exactly, but you'll end up paying more for the same service
>that ass tho
>greatest president of the modern era in ~2015
>1. Everyone on leddit is saying that if this proposal passes, you will be charged extra for using certain sites.
That's correct. Every current theoritical model of monopoly shows that price dicrimination is always more profitable for monopolist.
>2. How will this actually change anything and what benefits are there?
To answer this question one have to make quite a complicated and detailed model of what's going on in this market. I'm sure such works already exist, but either for private use or waiting to be published (as publication cycle is about 5 years long).
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Looks like the FCC had no issues taking care of this before NN.
Personally I can't wait for it's implementation so the next dictator in chief that takes it over (whatever Dem wins next) can use it's govt control, bestowed by NN, to ban all wrongthink from the Internet and use the info gathered to target individuals (i.e. Britain) who collaborated on said sites to round them up for their prison rehabilitation.
Muh Soros
> you didn't even try
>American ISPs announce that they are banning the "vile, dangerous hate site, used by Russian hackers in 2016, Sup Forums"
There's two ways I can think of an announcement like this playing out.
>After the first announcement by an ISP, the it'll have the Streisand effect, bringing more newfags for us to deal with but also bringing more awareness to the ideals and truths that we discuss. The ISP that starts banning sites first will lose subscribers, Sup Forums would be a very small part of this. They will soon learn the power of the free market. In the end nothing changes
>All ISPs ban Sup Forums at the same time and not much else. Newfags and casual/troll posters won't care enough to use a foreign VPN to access Sup Forums, and we'll be left in peace.
I'd honestly be OK with either of those, but the former is the one most likely to occur.
Hell Verizon shill
You forgot the other people against net neutrality
Comcast (parent company of NBC/MSNBC)
Time Warner (parent company of CNN)
Verizon (parent company of tumblr)
That's ok though. pol will be much better without all of the Amerimutts clogging this forum so in that sense I might join the anti-NN bandwagon at least as far as the US is concerned.
If Amerimutts are dumb enough to let this thing (because muh Donald supports it even though he didn't a few years ago) through they frankly deserve what's coming to them.
Nobody cares what reddit thinks.
This person is a Shareblue nigger. Disregard.
If Net Neutrality is killed it will allow your Internet Service Provider(ISP) to slow down your favorite sites because they didn't pay enough.
Imagine if Verizon made a deal with Twitter for faster load time and told Facebook that they must pay a premium to have the speeds of Twitter. If Facebook refused to pay it will slow down Facebook's load time and make it annoying for you to use and cause it's media intensive site Instagram to just be unusable.
That isn't just your ability to view Internet content and use your favorite apps. It will slow down innovation and perhaps the economy as small businesses won't be able to pay these premiums to faster Internet lanes causing them to lose out on a potential market and this could very well cause some buisnesses to fail. Newer businesses today/startups usually provide an Internet based service or at least will use the Internet to market themselves. If Net Neutrality dies these businesses may fail before they had a chance to really take off.
To quote Jessica Rosenworcel, "Let's stop this plan in its tracks".
>reddit spacing
Sexual USA patriot imagery on a NN post with a leaf icon.
"Pussykins catfood taste real good!"
>FCC
It was the FTC that oversaw all this shit before Obama's FCC made a huge power grab. It should go back to the FTC imho. The FCC hasn't really done anything to ensure broadcast news is fair and balanced, why the fuck would it do so for the Internet?
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That's a fake picture dumbass
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If Net Neutrality dies then your ISP will start charging you the internet equivalent of microtransactions.
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lol people who is too dense to understand satire goes to:
I'm a skeleton
>Can someone redpill me on
This phrase should be against the rules.
>Sup Forums can't or won't pay more when NN is gone
>traffic slows
>hurts what profit it can make
1. Those sites aren't against NN.
2. Those ISPS should have invested in better infrastructure. The internet is and should be a utility, and should be regulated that way.
tumblr is against NN.
Sup Forums is against NN.
Coincidence?
Most Sup Forums traffic is to boards which are almost entirely text content. ISPs would have no reason to throttle
>The ISP that starts banning sites first will lose subscribers, Sup Forums would be a very small part of this. They will soon learn the power of the free market. In the end nothing changes
The ISPs aren't just ISPs. They also control some of the biggest media companies like MSNBC. Imagine if comcast starts throttling sites that are against MSNBC
> It should go back to the FTC imho.
FTC never oversaw this. The only reason FCC recognized the internet as a utility was because of a court ruling between Verizon and the FCC where Verizon was throttling some users. In order to enforce net neutrality, the FCC had to regulate it as a utility. Verizon effectively forced the hand of the FCC in 2014 when it sued the FCC.
Narrowing of FCC's authority (2014)[edit]
On January 14, 2014, the DC Circuit Court determined in the case of Verizon Communications Inc. v. Federal Communications Commission[56][57] that the FCC had no authority to enforce network neutrality rules as long as service providers were not identified as "common carriers".
en.wikipedia.org
From an engineering perspective read up Quality or Service and Access Lists. Those are the two most common technologies associated with NN. There really isn’t a consumer benefit because this allows the ISP’s to use their engineering knobs for profit and control.
>users post content to attempt to attack, get around, and promote alternative ISP's/methods
>piracy links in almost every board
>no reason to throttle connection
Get ready for Sup Forums and Sup Forums generals that go out of their way to hurt the profits of the big ISP's.
Who gives a shit ? At least there'd be a barrier to shitposting on every site possible.
Net neutrality is not good. It will cause innovation to grind to a halt, and it won't do any favors to our economy.
Go read a book nigger and quit listening to shills.
I'm signing up for nognet next month
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isp should pay for infrastructure.....
>kikebook should not pay more
>jewgle should not pay more...
KYS faggot....
>0 logic in that retarded mind of yours
>Net neutrality is not good. It will cause innovation to grind to a halt, and it won't do any favors to our economy.
I'm beginning to hope this thing passes and net neutrality gets repealed.
Fuck now I'm woke.
typically that kind of coordination mostly happens in discord servers and the like, where they are harder to monitor
Daily reminder that bandwidth is an unlimited resource. ISPs against NN are acting like it isn't. That should tell you all you need to know.
>implying Sup Forums can stop fapping to trannies & furries long enough to do anything
>Sup Forums isn't directly hosting hostile activity to ISP's, users just post links to a third party application, and share content, updates, clarifications, new servers and announcements on said third party application
>Sup Forums isn't directly hosting pirated content, it's users merely link to third party sites and update links and lists and occasionally pirated materials on their own machine (like what I did with fanart/episodes back in 2012)
>still no reason
As if you didn't start on Sup Forums fapping to furfags and traps just like the rest of us
1. Best I can say about this is to make an analogy to XBox and PS4. If ISP's have complete control of the content that you're accessing online, then technically, they can make make "Website Exclusives" to their particular service.
Also, say the AT&T Time Warner merger goes through, you might expect the new Disney streaming service to get blocked on your ISP.
It's kind of an extreme example, but it can happen. Look at the issue Time Warner had with CBS a while ago. Or also, those occasional ads you hear about having to petition to keep certain channels on their cable service provider.
Now imagine that happening to websites,
Explain the mechanism by which NN stifles innovation.
But isps are already a harmful monopoly. If I could choose from 20+ ISPs, then I'd be fine with almost zero regulation. However, in my area, I can only choose one.
They deserve to eat a bag of dicks and get regulated like a utility.
Your saying that stuff like it matters to a slew of SJW's who could be 90% of that ISP's user base petitioning that ISP to shut our service down.
Government regulations? Are you an actual fucking retard? Explain to me how regulations have helped our economy or innovation. How does Red tape encourage growth? You're either a shill, or someone who has taken all the shill bullshit bait that's plastered all over the board today. Fuck off
Sure
Shill Shilery, reddit cucks, and liberals to boot. Obama is a nigger, Trump is God Emperor. Business and job creation, only for whites. Blacks are ew, Europe is brown.
>The ISPs aren't just ISPs
Maybe if the FTC could regulate with anti-trust laws this would be less of a problem.
>FTC never oversaw this
Bullshit. Before the internet was classified as a common carrier, the FTC had power over ISPs with anti-trust laws, consumer privacy laws, etc.
Here's what the FTC has to say about it:
ftc.gov
I don't get this whole thing at all.
> Company pays ISP let's say $1000 a month for 100gigs down and up.
> Company is using 100gigs down and up , ISP doesn't like it because now they have less bandwidth to sell so they throttle the connection
> Company should rightfully sue and win ISP for breach of contract
> ISP then charges more for service because reasons, Company finds another ISP becuase of better price
What's the problem? I don't mind ISPs charging more for bandwidth that's being used. They have to maintain and build infrastructure. Do I not understand the situation? If I pay for 40mbs down and 10 up that's exactly what I should be getting regardless of what data it happens to be. Unless the problem is that. ISPs want to discriminate what data goes through? Then they can eat shit and shouldn't be allowed to do that. If the problem is that there is only one ISP in an area then maybe you need to kill regulations creating monopolies yeah?
There it is.
The internet is a utility.
This isn't an argument, this is a venting of irrelevant complaints to the topic at hand
If Reddit is for it, it can't be good.
I'm proposing theoretical outcomes. Sure you can look at facts, but you also need to look at things that possibly could happen too,
>regulated like a utility
Yup that'll be fun. when incompetent and ignorant bureaucrats get to dictate prices when ISP's are no longer subject o market forces. I'm sure there won't be any lobbyists on behalf of the ISP's there to force the rates as high as possible nation-wide to line the ISP's pockets.
reason.com
Nice Reddit spacing to tie it all together
Kys nigger
Dude, calm your tits. All I did was ask a basic question. The government is only regulating that all sites be given equal speed. I'm not aware of any other mandates. Not very insidious IMO.
>facts are nice, but my fears motivate me to conclude things outside of facts
ISP's don't care what the customer wants, it only wants their money.
Evidence: Fucking revoking NN, you dumb fuck.
WTF, I hate NN now!?!?
You aren't convincing anyone you're not either a shill or a retard
>2013, Verizon literally stated that the only thing stopping them from favoring some content providers over other providers were the net neutrality rules in place.
>2013
>Net Nuetrality
Fuck off NN wasn't enacted until 2015
Someone should accused Ajit Pai of sexual harrassment
>when ISP's are no longer subject o market forces
they already aren't. that's the fucking point you shills keep glossing over in this infinite game of "keep the goyim confused"
fuck off and GO BACK
New Zealand does not have Net Neutrality.
This is what an internet plan looks like.
Hate how Twitter is moderated and handled?
Imagine the entire internet handled by Twitter.
Technically speaking, the only reason I hypothetically can't kidnap your children and enslave them in my basement or leave toxic chemicals in the drinking water I sell is government "red tape regulation". That's an extreme example but you should understand what being categorically against "regulation" entails.
I don't get it, if I want to start an ISP, and I have the cash, what's stopping me? 99% of the time it's some obscure regulations being abused by established ISPs. I recognize the need for regulation, but the laws should be as simple and specific as possible, and with Internet there should be one main regulation (other than regular business regulations) and that's ISPs are common carriers and cannot discriminate between what data passes through the network as long as you payed for the bandwidth. There should be nothing else about where, why, and how an ISP operates. If they want to charge $100 for 1mbs down and up, fine, but anyone and I mean anyone, should be able to go into that ISPs area and offer 1mbs up down for $1.
Neither are u, faggot.
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New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman (D) is investigating what he calls a massive scheme to corrupt the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) with fake public comments on net neutrality.
>In an open letter to Federal Communications Commission Chairman Ajit Pai, the Schneiderman said the agency hasn't provided him with information "critical" to an investigation his office is conducting.
>Schneiderman said in a tweet his office has been investigating a "massive scheme" over the last six months to "corrupt the FCC's comment process on net neutrality by impersonating 100,000s of real Americans."
If NN is so bad and common sense says its bad, why are they trying to pull this bullshit?
>Fuck off NN wasn't enacted until 2015
Exactly. Before that, it was the FTC that blocked all the shit that happened in list, because that is what the FTC does with EVERYTHING, not just utilities.
you will most likely be able to buy a cheaper internet package where sites like youtube / netflix ( heavy streaming ) will be blocked or too slow to use.
and SAVED