There's nothing hypothetical about what ISPs will do when net neutrality is eliminated. I'm going to steal a comment previously posted by /u/Skrattybones and repost here:
2005 - Madison River Communications was blocking VOIP services. The FCC put a stop to it.
2005 - Comcast was denying access to p2p services without notifying customers.
2007-2009 - AT&T was having Skype and other VOIPs blocked because they didn't like there was competition for their cellphones. 2011 - MetroPCS tried to block all streaming except youtube. (edit: they actually sued the FCC over this)
2011-2013, AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon were blocking access to Google Wallet because it competed with their bullshit. edit: this one happened literally months after the trio were busted collaborating with Google to block apps from the android marketplace
2012, Verizon was demanding google block tethering apps on android because it let owners avoid their $20 tethering fee. This was despite guaranteeing they wouldn't do that as part of a winning bid on an airwaves auction. (edit: they were fined $1.25million over this)
2012, AT&T - tried to block access to FaceTime unless customers paid more money.
2013, Verizon literally stated that the only thing stopping them from favoring some content providers over other providers were the net neutrality rules in place.
The foundation of Reason's argument is that Net Neutrality is unnecessary because we've never had issues without it. I think this timeline shows just how crucial it really is to a free and open internet.
Agreed. All of us 100% oldfags white supremacist 1488 Trump supporting neo nazi Sup Forums hackers cannot logically side with a poo in the loo. We must defend Net Neutrality at all costs my brother.
White power.
Owen Perez
Net Neutrality is Communism. Government control of internet, regulation for "neutrality" Stop subsidizing Netflix. There is a reason Soros is funding it heavily. Reddit tier useful idiots
Brandon Sullivan
I can see it now "hurr durr reddit" yet completely ignores the FACTS being true.
Can't wait for Breitbart, Alex Jones, and slews more being shut down and you all crying like bitches :)
Sebastian Nguyen
8 instances of bullshit over a 12-13 year period is nothing to be concerned about dude
this is all you need to know about net neutrality, so please dont make this fucking thread again and educate yourself.
I don’t care. Facebook and Netflix use like 70% of the bandwidth without paying a dime for what they use. They’re leeches. Besides, fuck the tech giants, they are censorious and leftist. Also, fuck the FCC, they always abuse their power. They censor TV and radio. There will be a solution to this non-problem and the market will provide one, not the fucking feds. Fuck the feds. Fuck off with that shit.
Brayden Gray
I just dont care.
William Morgan
I literally work in the field, I know more about it than any of you mouth breathing retarded cucks that love getting fucked in the ass by corporate greed :)
Julian Richardson
Cant side with a candy ass roodypoo
Daniel Bennett
get ready to lose everything you do like about the internet then. If it's nothing,t hen why are you here, cuck?
Sebastian Adams
Thats not how it works you fucking idiot
Tyler Adams
Name me an industry that maintained "neutrality" through government bureaucrats.
Logan Powell
You sound like a woman or faggot...or a faggot woman.
>much appeal to likely bullshit authority
Carson Allen
meh.. i'm sure they know what they're doing. we're in capable hands
Ayden Hernandez
Yeah, the government NEVER fucks us over with their greed. Which of the 2 do you have any control over? Think about it, reddit. Think very hard.
Brandon Brown
1) The government invented the internet and haevily funded the private industrys laying of the lines (go learn about the 200 billion we gave that was supposed to upgrade the internet to fiber optics everywhere) that combined with the fact we the people own the airwaves justifies our right to regulate the internet
2) The cost of laying down new lines for "competition" is not feasible nor is the actual PHYSICAL SPACE for dozens of competitors to have their own lines. There will be no "free market" saving this shit show. You libertardians gotta get off your Disney fantasy trip of a "FREE MARKET SOLVES ALL PROBLEMS" (A real free market is great when it can work, but it can't work everywhere and in every situation)
3) Facebook and Netflix do pay extra already... or are you this dumb to not know this?
4) that girl has a nice ass.
Cooper Sanders
I don't really know enough about Net Neutrality to have an opinion one way or the other. All I know is that the people supporting Net Neutrality sound like a bunch of whiny faggots.
Nicholas Lopez
name me a corporation that isn't eager to ass rape you for all the money you have and do next to nothing to provide any real service?
Btw, if not for government, you'd still be drinking snake venom thinking you were ingesting a cure all.
Government is far from perfect, we have a LOT to fix about it, but you morons that hate government entirely are as retarded as those you think want government to control everything. You go from one retarded extreme in fear of the other retarded extreme.
Sebastian Anderson
Nah Netflix, Google, Facebook, Reddit, Soros, and more are supporting Net Neutrality. Can't be that bad rite?
Christian Garcia
Sup Forums has been shut out by ISPs multiple times in the past for bullshit/no reason. You really think that now they know they can do it consequence free, and living in an age where social outrage dictates company policy, that they won't shut down Sup Forums for being "problematic"?
The faggots claiming "Hurr ISPs won't lock us out" are either shills or useful newfag retards. ISPs have the precedence for shutting this place down, and without restriction, they will have the means to do it for whatever bullshit reason they invent.
Caleb Bailey
Then we will move beyond physical lines. We should be innovating the internet, not stagnating it with federal regulations. FUCK THE FEDS, CIA NIGGER
Xavier Nelson
You're fighting against shills or actual retards.
There is no winning this fight, take your message somewhere that isn't Sup Forums
Cameron Taylor
Forgive us for actually caring about a free and open internet where REAL competition can rise and fall in a real free market and don't want ISPs that control all the lines to fuck over new business ventures online because they can't pay the fee they demand that's excessive because ISPs have been proven to be purely greedy.
Josiah Miller
>reddit >>>/reddit/
Henry Davis
You are literally brain dead retarded at understanding physics and the way in which our internet works lol
Evan Smith
I'm going to try, man. Or at least mock them for the cucktards they are.
Kevin Sanchez
When the ISP’s do that then we will fight that battle ourselves, not go crying to daddy government. Fuck off commie shill.
Julian Lopez
>I base my entire political beliefs on the opposite of what people I don't like believe >My beliefs can never line up with people I think are bad, they must always be contrarian
I heard that Soros breathes air. You should hold your breath for as long as possible to spite Liberals
Brayden Miller
They are cuckservatard/extreme libertardians that have a deep hate of all thing "government" and get triggered just hearing that word... and then blindly trust in the "free market".
They are as retarded as the ones they claim want government to control everything in some bullshit fantasy communism fear vision of theirs.
Xavier Rivera
fuck tetherers the speed and consistency of USA LTE network is pretty much a testament to the value of throttling data. wed still be on 3g if they werent allowed to charge power users more.
Angel Carter
Cool. Suck my asshole, loser. Go cry about it to your reddit faggots. I’m fully against any and all federal powers over the economy. I’m a true capitalist. I know that scares commie cunts like you but your big daddy gov’t loses this round.
Adrian White
>a bunch of neckbeards will throw a hissy fit to the multi-billion dollar corporations for their right to shitpost
Good luck with that
Dominic Moore
>a free and open internet where REAL competition can rise >free Basically the entire Net Neutrality argument. dont want to pay more for netflix. read a book.
>609▶ > > >I base my entire political beliefs on the opposite of what people I don't like believe > >My beliefs can never line up with people I think are bad, they must always be contrarian > I hea
I support this. They should all hold their breath and stop eating. I hear Soros eats every day.
Joshua Anderson
The government is eager to ass rape you for all your money but they do it by force. Fucking retarded bootlicker.
Chase Johnson
I support Net Neutrality
Isaac Mitchell
Fight them how? By voting with your wallet? Oh wait there is only one ISP available in your area With litigation? Oh wait net neutrality was repealed.
Please explain how this will work. Because you and I both know you can't go without porn for more than 24 hours so you're not going to just cancel your internet to try and force change.
Bentley Phillips
You are wholly against the public that paid for the internet's creation AND the lines laid down via tax money over having control over the investment/creation they made? You would give it over to those who literally did nothing to better it?
And you libertardians claim to hate "theft" lol....
Lucas Adams
>reddit and the_donald shills shilling for federal government control on the internet
fuck off.
Logan James
That's not what"free and open internet" means... free from control that shuts down debate... no one literally means free from paying to help keep the maintenance and improvements going for it....
You fucking libertardians are so easily triggered. You're such snowflakes :)
Lincoln Jones
>Btw, if not for government, you'd still be drinking snake venom thinking you were ingesting a cure all. Hahaha now I know you’re a nigger. Take this statist bullshit to tumblr you might shill easier there. Sup Forums is a libertarian board of peace.
Adrian Robinson
No need to shutdown Sup Forums when you tards are literally fighting for government regulation of internet.
Levi Torres
A corporation is incapable of "raping my ass". If they change their service to something I don't like, I will simply choose not to purchase it.
Government on the other hand....
Daniel Martin
>a bunch of tumblrinas throw a hissy fit to a multi billion dollar corporation to get someone fired Seems to work for them, leaf.
Connor Cruz
>Flag Faggot. Show us what country you are.
Andrew Campbell
what corruption? Don't wanna pay taxes? You can go live on your own making your own food/clothes/shelter in the wild and pay 0 taxes.
What, don't want to do that and miss out on the social benefits? Sucks to be you. Greedy cuckservatard that wants all of society's benefits and pay nothing into it.
Grayson Wilson
>my only argument is "waah mommy the shills" Now I'm convinced.
Noah Barnes
The government can win that battle, you won't. That's the kind of shit government is for.
Mason Johnson
>I literally work in the field, >so listen to me and dont have your own opinion suuuurrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeee you work in the field
Daniel Cruz
calm, direct, to the point. Probably has good posture and a reasonable sized dick
ughhh.... holy shit I don't care about your feelings. You sound like a bitch so I can't take you seriously.
Joseph Ortiz
You think I give a fuck about the internet? Oh no, they locked me out of the interwebs. What shall I do.
Brody Cooper
Reddit is right for once. I don't like it either but its true.
Jonathan Bailey
Go back to pleddit you fucking nigger
Julian Sullivan
Net Neutrality is not government control of the Internet you don't even know what you're arguing against you retard
Andrew Rivera
So you're saying... the FCC had the power to regulate this bad behavior already?
Tell me again why we need it to be Title II?
Jace Smith
>Sup Forums is a libertarian board of peace I know you election newfags like to think this, but stop
Levi Clark
anyone looking forward for the internet going to shit? then I'll finally be free in a couple of years new internet will show up and i'll shitpost there, in the meanwhile I'll finally be able to go outside,get fit, be free no vidya, no jewflix, no jewbook, no porn
Alexander Richardson
No, Sup Forums used to be an anti-establishment place... it was for the internet being out of control from corproate control and government over control. But you libetardians took it over and have decided to push yoru shitty "FREE MARKET ANARCHO CAPITALISM URRR" mindset that is just fucking brain dead retarded. It would NEVER work in the real world without so many being abused.... just like the communism you retards hate. You're the opposite side of the same shit sandwich.
Christian Bennett
WE NEED TO SAVE NET NEWPS
IF WE DONT RICK AND MEMEY EPISODES WILL COST $2 BILLION DOLLAS PER EPISODE
Parker Stewart
have fun paying another 10$ a month for Skype/Whatsapp/FB-Messenger
Juan Gutierrez
>forcing everyone to play equally is "control" There's no difference between ideology and retardation.
Nathaniel Collins
No, government is not for regulation of the economy. Fuck off commie
Carter Watson
Net neutrality is the Jew's master plan for total control of the internet.
Gabriel Morris
You are a fucking moron. You need to go back to your faggot site. Just FYI, since you are obviously a teenager, they charge taxes on land, dolt.
Kayden Campbell
Congrats you have no other real choices in 90% of America. And soon 100% when they allow the mergers to hapen....
yep, you fuckers are going to literally let corporations fuck you in the ass cause you're so economically brain dead retarded you have no idea the cost of even starting an ISP company lol
Ethan Parker
Lol that flag.
"We should maybe not let the rich be able to do literally anything"
"But muh NAP!"
Lucas Carter
>"Hey this person is racist you should fire them that's bad optics" >"Hey you should give me access to my shitposting site known for CP and Jewish conspiracies, I want a place to complain about niggers"
Wow I wonder which is more likely to get corporate support
Wyatt Young
Well nothings happening to my internett. If something where to happen we would chimpout in the thousands
Ayden James
And you mother married one.
Brayden Myers
>we support Net Neutrality!
>Government: Sup Forums is hate speech site that doesn't fall under our 1000pg definition of what it means to be "Neutral"
>Cant switch governments like you can switch companies
>joins Reddit, the Government approved board.
Robert Price
>>forcing everyone to play equally is "control"
No.
It's fucking Communism.
Carter Ward
net neutrality is the reason, netflix is not subsidized
Colton Cooper
>how to spot a stormfag refugee Hitler was a kike
Dominic Cooper
hhaha, oh man, you are truly a dumb libertardian. No, you can live in a secluded part of a forest and still pay 0 in taxes.
Or, hey, leave the nation and go live on a deserted island :) have fun until climate change drowns your ass. Would be a net boon for the genepool
Ian Nelson
you don't even know what 'net neutrality' means
Jaxon Martinez
I’d rather fight the ISPs than the feds. Get out of here you fucking cuck, your country sucks
Blake Myers
Guess what nigger, capitalism without rules isn't capitalism anymore, its just exploitation. The economy doesn't regulate itself, that literally is the government's job.
Jason Sanders
>Since I lack self control this will be good for me Go eat another pizza you fat retard, respectable people actually use this utility properly.
Easton Cox
No its called a free market
Leo James
Trump is undeniably the best president of all time.
>End ttip >Fuck burgers, especially the ones who voted him
Dylan Cook
Companies would never take advantage of the consumer! I for one welcome my corporate overlords
Austin Morales
1) can switch governments, it's called electing new people in mother fucker. Take part in the system. There is a lot we ahve to fix, but our system was set up originally TO be electing in new powers frequently.
2) You can't change companies if you literally can't find any competition because they are monopolies
3) Sup Forums hasn't been shutdown by the government, now has it? Only time it ever gets any real legal action is when there aer legit deat threats (that is illegal) or child porn (als illegal). Or are you saying you want both to be legal and to engage in both?
Cooper Barnes
>implying us care about larpflaggoaters
Carson Clark
B-but nothing was censored before! Thats because Verizon wasnt able to openly be asses about doing it. The FCC had a rule that got challenged in court by Verizon in 2010 that PREVENTED ISPs from THROTTLEING OR BLOCKING WEBSITES. Verizon won the case, only on the margins that telecommunications services needed to be reclassified as a utility (Title II) in order for a rule like that to be upheld. This led to the massive NN debate that got us the rules in 2015. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_Communications_Inc._v._FCC_(2014) Also: Comcast Corp. v. FCC 2007 In 2007, Free Prenss, Public Knowledge, and the FCC filed a complaint against Comcast's Internet service. Several subscribers complained/(and)The Commission believed that Comcast had "significantly impeded consumers' ability to access the content and use the applications of their choice"--Comcast complied with this Order but petitioned for a review and PRESENTED SEVERAL OBJECTIONS-in 2008, Comcast amended their Acceptable Usage Policy and announced a new bandwidth-throttling plan. ISPs have slowly over the years been eating away at laws that protect against throttling and them not being able to control what content you see. You fools need to realize corporations only care about their own interest In surveys by the American Customer Satisfaction Index, XFINITY has had the lowest customer satisfaction ranking of any company or government in the U.S. for year-XFINITY’s online forums are full of pages of customers complaining of throttling, especially on upstream speeds. Time Warner Cable has come under fire for throttling YouTube videos, an issue they defended by explaining video buffering is “the way the Internet works. Cox has a history of throttling their Internet during congested periods. In the past, they have also set usage limits on broadband accounts, granting more usage to customers who pay for upgraded service. cabletv.com/blog/your-objective-guide-to-internet-throttling/
Angel Carter
I for one welcome my government overlords
Grayson Torres
most of these retards here don't.
Adam Kelly
Nah, the market is self-regulating as long as the NAP is enforced. That’s literally the government’s only role, is enforcing the NAP and private property rights. I don’t need daddy government to solve my internet problems for me. Only soy boy cucks like you need the state to protect you from those evil capitalists. Faggot
Benjamin Taylor
>shady shit was stopped before NN whats your point?
William Turner
They don't actually care about that shit. They care about losing customers. I know you are new here straight from reddit, but they don't want the entire Sup Forums user base after them. It would not be a "hissy fit".
Bentley Rogers
You are benefitting from net neutrality RIGHT NOW
You are not fighting the feds on anything.
You don't have any clue what you're arguing about, you're basing your entire opinion on the emotional and irrational belief that "Wow Liberals want this, it must be bad". So you deflect to typical retard "Cuck cuck cuck" bullshit when called out on the fact that you aren't educated on the subject.
Xavier Johnson
They're pretty unclear on "communism" "free market" and anything else related to civics. Nothing but mindless tribalism.
Liam Reed
Last time I remember,NN problem is only ongoing in the U.S Get fucked faggot
Jaxon Davis
You literally don't want to try and change that which WE THE PEOPLE are supposed to have direct power over... and instead blindly trust/fight corporations who can do way more to fuck you over and you have far less power over it? lol
Carter Mitchell
You just listed a bunch of times the ISPs got BTFO before net neutrality. Are you making my point? I think you are. Thank you very much.
Carter Stewart
>random accounts of single ISPs doing shady shit and not realizing that the market would have corrected it anyways, especially if local zoning laws did not make it impossible or put huge barriers to entry in place OP is a faggot.
Jaxson Watson
no its also an upcoming problem in Europe.
Jace Taylor
Also OP
Carter Rodriguez
>B-but nothing was censored before! censorship happens constantly, we already are seeing it happen with companies such as google, in fact, google is on the forefront of sanitizing the internet.
>Thats because Verizon wasnt able to openly be asses about doing it. cellphones are not covered by net neutrality, so your entire point is moot
gotta be honest, i didnt even read the rest of your post, because your opener is complete bullshit.