Wouldn't fighter jets make these things obsolete?

Wouldn't fighter jets make these things obsolete?

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Didn't CG have some contrived reason for why the setting had no real aircraft?

Mecha are a stupid idea, we put up with them because they are cool.

Clearly Jets are ineffective since they don't use them against mechs.

In the manga explained that the knightmare had anti air weaponary.
combine that with the fact that they have 10/10 mobility,

Didn't Britannia design a cool jet, but scrapped it because "Where does the Knightmare Frame go?"

Wasn't it something about some sort of EMP type field or some BS like that

Whoa, that sure explains everything.

Especially the slow as shit flying mechas of R2 somehow making planes obsolete.

Oz the Reflection covers this.
The advent of the transformable Knightmare frame made jets obsolete.
The defining moment being that the Holy Britannian Homeland Air Defense Force, made up mainly of jets, was obliterated by a coup d'etat group using very early transformable type frames.

>In the manga explained that the knightmare had anti air weaponary.
Like a machine gun and a rope?

Which makes literally 0 sense.

R2 really fucked up everything.

Jets were absent in R1 as well, I don't see how this is an R2 problem.

They were pointless cause literally every mech had those harpoons that shot down anything in the sky with persision. R2 had most of them flying as well so they really were the most advanced thing out there making almost all current military equipment obsolete.

Jets? Fucking LAVs would wreck them.

LAVs? Fucking tanks would wreck them.

They're able to pivot and reverse their movement more capably than most other things.

And the ways they do so in your anime and manga would destroy most machinery just attempting said movement in the first place.

It's kinda the same thing as the dumb "Why don't they make planes out of the black box material" argument.

Yet there is no tanks or LAVs because lol mecha.

just BRRRRRRRRRT them into pieces

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And an infantry man with an rpg or stinger missile could wreck all of the tanks, LAVs, aircraft, and sink any naval ship that gets too close to shore

Mecha? Fucking Anti-Tank guns would wreck them.

Infantry? Fucking machine guns would wreck them.

Not like they'd be shot down easily either.

Beauty can fly with half the critical components missing.

Knightmares are just humanoid tanks that can travel over more difficult terrain and even scale buildings. That's what made the first season kind of unique, the mechas were all on wheels.

>Like a machine gun and a rope?
While the rope thing is just retarded, machine guns are actually quite viable since planes irl are really very delicate, a few holes in the right spots and the plane becomes unmaneuverable. This is why most old-school AA is simply a pair of really big machine guns firing explosive shells, most of the time the shockwaves wrecked the planes up let alone a direct hit.

Only real problem is predicting where to fire since planes are flying fast enough that you need to lead with them to get a solid hit.

>machine guns are actually quite viable since planes irl are really very delicate, a few holes in the right spots and the plane becomes unmaneuverable

See

Uh, how is that even possible? Any transformable knightframe wouldn't be anywhere near as fast or agile in the air as an actual jet due to design limitations.

Jets would be able to fly at 10k+ feet and spam missiles at knightframes who cant do shit to fire back.

The rope thing was used to climb buildings.

/k/ has done this to fucking death

Forget attack aircraft, tanks would end most mechs that aren't full CUHRAYYYZEE

Humanoid mechs aren't feasible in the slightest when they come to being weapons. Mechs are just rule of cool.

>it's a mecha make conentional fighting vehicles obsoleted episode

And this is Sup Forums, we haven't done it so we'll do it cause fuck sharing resources and knowledge like grown adults.

There are plenty of tanks in CG you retard, you must not remember the show at all. In fact the very, VERY first scene where C.C. is explaining the setting of the story, it shows nightmares skating around tanks and shooting at them.

An even moderately competent commander would put tanks in defensive positions where they'd have the advantage.

Computers are already on track to make most manned jets obsolete. Agility doesn't mean anything when missiles cannot miss.

There were no plane kills with machine guns or even canons since 90's. Everything since Desert Storm is missiles.

Flying robots with guns would be laughably easy kills.

Because mechfags are so delusional they think humanoid robots could be actual weapons, so they make them stronger than everything else.

I clicked on /a, still in /m. why?

>tfw no combined arms mecha anime

>it's flying mechas can beat missiles episode

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And this thing entered service over 10 years ago.

Probably not, seeing as missile technology isn't really used in CG I'd guess they have some sort of countermeasures, also they would likely be traveling with other support vehicles with SAMs, not to mention some of the fighting is in urban settings where the buildings would make targeting difficult. Then again fighting with mecha in an urban or forest setting would also probably be terrible.

Didn't Argevollen have combined arms?

Which is why there's Macross.

CG was that for the first half of R1. Then flying robots bullcrap ruined everything.

Not with "mecha gotta be the best" mindset.

In Season 1, the Knightmares were merely one facet of Britannian superiority. They were used in "realistic" ways.

In R2, every Knightmare had energy wings and Kallen getting that flight pack as a mid-episode upgrade while she dove off a fucking plane was HOTBLOODED AS FUCK HOLY SHIT KALLEN IS NOW AIRBORN THE CLAW IS RISING IN THE EAST IT TELLS ME TO MELT YOUR FACE

And then Bandai had to fuck it up with generic flying mecha

>bitching about muh realism
>in mecha anime
>in fucking Code Gayass of all things
You have brain damage.

This is a topic that fits on many boards, Sup Forums, /k/, /m/, Sup Forums Sup Forums and /sci/, and a few /m/ shows get posted in here anyways

Didn't mean to make you cry.

They were not even tanks. They had light armor and were all about mobility.

Then they went full super robots for no fucking reason other than lack of creativity.

What sharing of resources? Every single fucking thread on this subject is the fucking same on every single fucking board, if anything posted here is new to you then you're a goddamned newfag.

Didn't you learn from that Simpsons episode where Sideshow Bob stole the Wright Flyer? Jets are too fast to deal with ground targets.

You don't put mechs in a show just cause, if they aren't in the fucking forefront of the show they don't have a reason to fucking exist there, they're either physical gods or zeroes.

Are there any anime besides Evangelion where there's a legitimate reason for using a humanoid weapon over conventional warfare besides to look cool?

Full Metal Panic.

Because giant robots are cool

I was joking that we're a bunch of autistic fucks, calm down

You didn't make me cry, you're just making me sigh because this subject isn't even beating a dead horse anymore, the horse is fucking puree at this point, there's nothing new to say on the subject, the only reason to make this thread is because you want to wank your intellectual superiority over noticing that "whoa, mecha aren't realistic and are in fact completely unfeasible in any modern setting, fictional or no", we already fucking know that, you're not telling us anything we haven't heard of already.

This, why can't we have more Pacific Rim scale robos? They even move like they have mass.

Because super robots are for children.

So the special thing is that it can turn? Mechs could shoot it down then.

Jets can't pierce A.T Field.

>implying

Please kill yourself you fucking faggot.

Yeah, because it's so easy to shoot at a small object moving at mach 2+

Didn't read a word of this.

Oh look a cool edgy guy.

KMFs in Geass actually developed from tanks. It came from a project to develop a protected and mobile ejection system for tank crews that could then get out of the danger zone.

And then someone decided to strap weapons to it.

Jet fuel can't melt AT fields

It is.

Not as long as they rely on a human pilot with human reaction times they can't.

A fully automated mech would just be far more expensive than a CIWS system and Trophy systems have their limits so even if they were mounted on the mech it still wouldn't be any more resilient to AGM attacks than a tank with a Trophy system is.

And let's not forget the mighty GAU-8 which would absolutely shred a mech.

mechs were more grounded in reality (relatively at least) in season 1. Jets didnt have a place in the story, but it's not like anything outright stated that they didn't exist until R2's flying knightmares.

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What if you make organic bullets?

tanks are snipers or infantry support.

Knightmares may be more advantageous in urban areas, but that's infantry territory.

A tank would be to slow for an angel, jets cannot carry bullets that big and it's not a good idea having a no moving weapon

But most planes have weaponry that can engage ground targets from beyond machine gun range, that's why there is pretty much no machine gun anti AA now, you have to use big ass missiles with long range.

>jets cannot carry bullets that big

Yeah, but look at the size of each barrel, that ain't doing shit to an angel m8

Mechas never stand the test of logic, the don't have the armor of tanks or the speed of IFV's and have an awful profile to boot. Just turn your brain off during the fight scenes, they'll be much easier to watch.

Why do Japanese even like mecha?

But missiles that dont miss would make nightmares obsolete too, you'd need something with a low profile to counter those, such as a tank or a human.

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It can put out 4,200 of them per minute though in a very small target area.

Doubt even an angel can withstand any amount of concentrated and continuous 30mm fire. Keep in mind the high shell velocity and armor penetrating capabilities of the 30mm shells used.

How well armored are nightmares? From the size of them look like they're only protect against small arms only.

Not very. They're made for mobility over protection.

You need to destroy the core, i don' t think that any of those 2 weapons can pierce that deep, especially against Ramiel or the space ones

Jets could probably beat mech.

But what about mech backed up by anti air weapons? How do you stop that?

The mechs beat ground troops easily, meaning that your jets are largely useless and you may as well have just spent all your resources on mechs, ground vechicles and ships (which is exactly what everyone in geass earth did).

It's a very RPS/gamey way to describe things, but it makes enough sense for a series with magic eye powers, yeah? It's established that it's possible to beat mechs without them (that's what made todo so respected), but when it comes to making the best "bet" in a war, mech is the overall superior choice even if it isn't the end all be all.

What about other sorts of planes like Bombers?

What kind of anti air weapons are you talking about?

>not just flying in a locust swarm of inexpensive drones barely big enough to carry their lone missile
lmao

I don't know. What jets are you talking about? This entire thread are people assuming that an alternate history world has the exact same technology in every way, even though it's explicitly sci-fi in the classic sense (what if we had this one thing that isn't real, sakuradite, and it let us do amazing things)

I'll admit I'm not /k/, but with the speed/radar tech mechs are shown to have in geass couldn't they just escape? This whole thread has been people jacking off over planes that just shoot out tons of bullets super fast.

It's not 100% realistic, but again, science fiction and not science fact. There's scale between star trek and gurren laggan.

Transforming fighter jet > Mecha and Tanks

Because flying is witchcraft and mecha is science

No traditional weapon can really harm any of the larger Angels because of their combination of AT Field + regeneration backed by the core. The AT Field can't be "worn down" by sustained fire, and the only time traditional weapons even come close to damaging them is high yield explosives like the N2 bombs.

Some Angels could MAYBE maybe be killed by launching a barrage of N2 bombs or actual nukes at them, but they went with the Eva project because it caused less collateral damage and was more versatile.

But planes are just tanks with wings.

yeah and I bet you think cars are just carriages without horses

They are, though. Their power is even measured in horses.

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