I want my own Bu-chan
Flip Flap
You want a perverted robot who is into yuri?
Stop making this thread
This is the ideal male body. You may not like it but this is what peak performance looks like
why should we?
Who doesn't want a robot version of themself?
COCONA!
You called?
STOP
NEVER
>something bright future something you're not in it
>Cocona wearing Yayaka's ribbon
Friendly reminder that Yayaka is kill confirmed
No.
Is papika calling cocona mimi the equivalent of your wife whispering her exes name during sex?
>dead girl gives her ribbons to alive girl
People say this isn't a Madoka ripoff
this is 3hz telling shaft how rebellion should have been done
>the painter's name is Irodori Iro
that's like the Japanese equivalent of calling her Painty McPaintbrush
Or Canterbury Shakespeare, if she were a writer.
B-BUT IT'S SYMBOLISM
What answer would Cocona have given if Yayaka had confessed her feelings?
Personally, I think she would have said 'yes.' Cocona is sensitive to peer pressure and is a people pleaser, so she'd have become Yayaka's girlfriend even if the feelings weren't there yet at first.
Cocona has given her answer.
>What answer would Cocona have given
"Please stay away from me."
That's not the same thing as a direct confession, baka. What if she said "Cocona, I love you! Please go out with me" before Cocona ever met Papika?
Do you think each PI has some meaning or some of them were random? Senpai, Buu, Yayaka and Uexkull were preety clear but what about the rest?
Cocona would never be that cruel!
She'd probably slap her cheeks Home Alone style and scream "but that's forbidden love!" and then run away, forgetting her bag.
She would just follow Yayaka's own advice:
>2You have to be direct with those people or they won't get it."
Is there a shadow of a chance that digital distribution can save amazing independent anime productions like this?
Like, 2 bucks per epsiode to watch it, 10 bucks for a download, or $50 for a super high-quality download... I'd pay it in a heartbeat.
Each PI Cocona entered has something to do with her experiences and personal relationships
Ep 1 PI: Cocona's lone depression
Ep 2 PI: Cocona's worry about Uexküll being sucked in the vacuum
Ep 3 PI: Cocona's doubts about Papika
Ep 5 PI: Cocona and Papika doing yuri things started in ep 4
Ep 6 PI: Cocona's encounter with Senpai and her paintings
Ep 7 PI: Cocona's self-study about her desires about Papika
Ep 8 PI: Bu-chan/Hidaka
Ep 9 PI: Papika's obsession about Cocona
Also note that every PI Cocona entered has a shard while the KKK crew often enter PI with no shards. I think this is because KKK does it through a mechanical method with no connection to Mimi while Cocona syncing with Papika in emotions connected to Mimi therefore the PIs they entered are always formed with shards of Mimi.
>Also note that every PI Cocona entered has a shard while the KKK crew often enter PI with no shards. I think this is because KKK does it through a mechanical method with no connection to Mimi while Cocona syncing with Papika in emotions connected to Mimi therefore the PIs they entered are always formed with shards of Mimi.
The grand wizard mentioned something about Yayaka's "impedance" with the twins being higher than Nyunyu's.
Impedance is not related to presence of shards. Cocona/Papika had bad impedance in ep 3 PI but there was a shard anyway.
Episode 9 was obviously Papika.
The fact that it was empty outside of a convenient dome of fragile childhood memories and a proverbial birdcage that responds to Cocona's feelings should have made it obvious.
The Defense Trap ensnaring Cocona while Yayaka was too caught up in her duty to help her friend is their entire relationship in a nutshell. Except instead of a small room, Cocona's entire life has been that trap.
>Ep 9 PI: Papika's obsession about Cocona
Sorry this is a typo. I meant Yayaka's obsession about Cocona.
So did I
Why is it so easy to write Yayaka as Papika?
Fricative consonants.
Consider the two possible models that won't bankrupt the creator
>$50 per viewer mainstream show requiring universal audience
>$500 per viewer niche show allowed to pander to a small group
The voice acting was top notch.
So does the audience that existed in the 80s for anime, during the VHS boom, just not exist anymore? Or are they just not willing to spend as much as they were back then?
Or is everyone just poorer?
I want to be Bu-chan
It's hardly independent. Literally being financed by the biggest company in the anime game
Also if you take competition into account, there's probably a LOT more stuff out there now than there has been before.
Or calling the first woman Eve and the first man Adam, cause he's made from red earth.
>population decline
Is this love?
There is a middle ground, you structure the release to allow for multiple media at different price points.
You have the deluxe package for 500, standard dvd for 50, medium for 150, whatever. The serious otaku will still buy the 500 for all the extra goodies. then you go after the streaming markets later in its life.
if you can't find companies in japan that will pay you to run the show then look outside japan, even if its pennies on the dollar some money is better then nothing
If they are getting such shitty cash from places like crunchy then renegotiate, or start a Japanese ran, foreign oriented company to compete
The problem is animators are making a lot of decisions because its a labor of love, they need better business people to help make studio decisions
You can do that, just not for Flip Flappers right now. You probably will be able to once its Western licensor comes around to adding it. Observe (does not even contain dubs to not trigger sensitive types):
But hey, now get ready for people whining about how they don't want to use iTunes and that that's not what they meant by paying for episodes directly, and how they don't want to give money to Apple or Amazon or Funimation and so on. Nerds are insufferable.
>In the name of God, I, Papika, take you, Cocona, to be my wedded wife, to have and to hold, from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish, until parted by death. That is my solemn vow.
(inb4 Yayaka ruins it)
>The problem is animators are making a lot of decisions because its a labor of love, they need better business people to help make studio decisions
The Japanese aren't really good at making even slightly risky decisions that might change how they do things in general. You hear about this shit in every industry, not just Animu.
If these companies weren't retarded with their proprietary media platforms and deliberate compatibility barriers then it wouldn't be so difficult to reach a wider audience.
Anybody that doesn't boycott itunes and any invasive DRM platform like it is part of the cancer.
If anyone'll ruin it, it'll be Papika. She won't be able to say it all correctly.
Japan businesspeople are super conservative. They suck at business innovation actually. The last business innovation in anime was Eva 20 years ago. Trigger has been the only one succeeding at a kickstarter.
That's cute and Cocona will lover her even more for it.
Girls literally cannot get married in Japan.
Sure, just don't go whining about how I CAN'T PAY FOR IT EVEN THOUGH I TOTALLY WOULD.
You don't really want to, so shut your trap.
>Cockona
Eventually these platforms will burn themselves out. Someone will come out with a standard, like USB-C is doing for chargers and data connections, that's good enough for everything, has no proprietary encumbrances, and works everywhere. Companies will have to fall in line or just fall.
Apple is kind of doing something like it with their TV app, but seriously, fuck apple. That's one thing I seriously hope someone else beats them to the punch with.
You would have to be retarded not to think that that's love.
But they married in Pure Illusion officiated by Bu-chan.
>looking at the audience
Don't show this on /u/.
No, I do. That's why I preordered the BDs.
I have the power to choose the means of my payment, it just galls me that so many options which involve extremely promising technology are absolute dogshit because of stupid shit like this. I would LOVE to be able to buy digital directly, but instead I have to twiddle my thumbs and hope my proxy won't pocket the money and fuck me over.
Does Japan have a full faith and credit clause with PI?
And 2017 will be the year of Linux on the desktop, gotcha.
They are looking at Pops you baka
Well the thing there is, most anime studios aren't really involved in the financing or distribution etc of their shows to any great extent so they simply are not setup to deal with it. On a show like this 3Hz will have been set a budget by a production committee from which they might make some money depending on costs and if it is successful they might get a tiny share in the profits from BD sales but the majority of that is going to the distributors like Happinet and GAGA on this show. It has its bad sides and its good sides, if it weren't for a system like this we would see anime studios going bust far more often.
You're not wrong but we are talking about why anime studios are not more innovative in their business practices like accessibility/digital distribution, non-DRM, pricing strategies. The industry is on a tight profit margin. The society is super conservative. The population is in decline. They can't afford innovation.
>it wouldn't be so difficult to reach a wider audience
For the thing you want there is no wider audience than existing web stores. Do you honestly believe going to some Japanese website and paypalling them some money in exchange for mkv files is more appealing to a "wide audience" than hitting the "cartoons > anime" button in iTunes?
The "insurance model" of production companies collectively "betting" on new shows will continue to allow shows like Flip Flappers to be made. Even though they mostly fail, when they do succeed they succeed big.
And don't cry too much for the creators, they're all getting paid, building an impressive work portfolio, and obviously having a lot of creative freedom to work on something you can tell they enjoy. The only let-down for them is that more people aren't seeing the fruits of their labour.
You can forget about a Season 2 though.
Let's settle this Sup Forums.
They aren't more innovative because it is much safer to stick with the established model. The business side of it is mostly removed from them in terms of distribution and so on and if they tried taking that back they'd also have to somehow fund their own shows and learn how to do things other companies who fund the shows currently do. Not to mention with funding your own shows comes the risk of failure and going bust.
It's much easier to maintain compatibility barriers with software because they can be completely arbitrary and artificial and there's no downside to it or regulation against it.
Cables eventually normalize because technology advances and a new connection method emerges that's superior to proprietary ones. At that stage it's more cost effective for the proprietors to cede to the new technology rather than invest the R&D to develop a proprietary equivalent.
Media software isn't like that because two companies could have patented media formats that are identical to one another except in their compatibility. All it takes for something to be a proprietary format is a little bit of DRM that checks to make sure you're using the correct player (eg. the one with their software license) before letting it play. When there's an advancement in the technology of media software or players, every company with proprietary software will just copy that advancement and incorporate it into their system, because the thing that makes their version exclusive is not tied to the technology used.
The industry I work in is similar. Every major manufacturer just copies the same chemical composition and then introduces like 0.001% of an inert element to make it technically distinct despite being functionally identical. Then they each patent it by different names and you have a half dozen patents for the same material, all which can be used only through exclusive licenses.
You can't play itunes media on android devices, nor on most smart TVs and there aren't ANY game consoles you can do that on.
Even if you have all the game consoles, an android and an iphone, it's still a huge PITA to swap between them all the time. I just want to have a list of all my stuff in one place, I can pick what I want to watch, and hit play and maybe choose the TV I want to watch it on. That's literally all I want.
That's the main reason I don't like iTunes or amazon or anything else like it. When I want to watch something, I have to remember whether I own it on apple or android or kindle fuckwhat devices. They make it a fucking chore to consume media which is a fucking travesty in the CURRENT YEAR.
We Sup Forums now?
Yes, because normalfags using itunes aren't receptive to the product. They aren't "reached" by it being available to them, because they don't give a fuck. Meanwhile there sits here dozens of people who don't or can't use the apple store for any number of reasons, yet would jump at the chance to throw money at their product. Exclusive stores and proprietary compatibility is a barrier to reaching your consumers, not a gateway to it.
This is actually a really good point.
The anime industry isn't in nearly as bad a state as it would appear if what you're saying is accurate.
Another thread full of idiots who cant just accept this show at face value, it's just yuri go back to the nge thread.
>not being able to fund anything other than mainstream generic moeshit
>not in nearly as bad a state as it would appear
>You can forget about a Season 2 though.
Not all stories need a second season. I would argue this show is going to tie everything up by the end of the last episode. Let the studio work on a new project instead of regurgitating the same shit.
>Cocona hasn't held Papika like this since the first episode
Why?
What compels you in wasting your time to tell people to not have fun?
Flip Flappers could have filled two cours easily, but even early on it showed signs that it was glossing over things. Once the timeskips started it was pretty clear this was going to be over in twelve episodes.
I would love if we got some OVAs filling in the middle material (like that one Sora no Woto episode).
I wonder if 3Hz will manage to keep bagging originals from Infinite and what Oshiyama will do next because he doesn't actually work at 3Hz as far as I can tell on an ongoing basis.
It could be worse. Look at the west.
>big budget dc comic book film of 20xx
>big budget star wars film of 20xx
>big budget marvel comics film of 20xx
>film as vehicle for big name actor of 20xx
Oshiyama did key animation at 3hz for Sora no Method so it would be a safe bet they will have future collaboration if this is a success.
I thought this too early on, they could have probably made it two cour if they wanted. However that is a big project for studio that has never animated something that long yet and increases production costs significantly with a largely unproven main staff on an original.
It was going a little too fast for her. She wanted to take it slow. I like how obvious it was that Cocona could eventually care a great deal for Papika even though she knew nothing about her at that point.
>Infinite is secretly run by a bunch of rich people who just love anime originals and don't mind throwing their money away
Weird arthouse films come out every day, it's not their fault that you only care about mainstream blockbusters, who are obviously going to be fucking mainstream because they wouldn't be blockbusters otherwise.
Infinite produced Shirobako. They have some unique taste.
There's a chance that's exactly what's happening. Japan is weird.
Huge web stores have significant visibility problems too, it's really difficulty to guess at which would be more successful although the current BD situation seems more similar to selling stuff independently (your .mkv situation) on the web. People who are buying that shit already know what they're looking for and are more flexible on price compared to the people browsing new releases/top sellers of huge web stores.
I think it would be interesting to see Jap studios try to implement the pay-what-you-want system that you see in some media and the video game industry from time to time. That'll probably never happen though.
They are not cute japanese drawings with lesbian undertones
>they're called Infinite because they will never run out of money
Reminder that not a single episode of Flip Flappers came close to Oshiyama's Space Dandy episode.
>comparing an animated short to a TV series
Well, Infinite does seem to be set up that way, just look at their portfolio. I mean, they have some royal stinkers like Glasslip but that's just going to happen if everything they do is ambitious and original.
They're living off the odd hit they produce, like Shirobako or Hanasaku Iroha.
It is run by Takayuki Nagatani who used to work at Bandai Visual until 2011 when he started his own production company. He now uses his connections to get funding for anime from companies like Bandai in this case (Happinet, Lantis etc).
They are responsible for a lot of the PA Works originals being put together and essentially serve to attract people to fund a concept rather than actually funding shows themselves. It's all about the connections for them.
>lesbian undertones
Same director
Possibly a bad example... I actually watch and love some indie productions, maybe not "arthouse" but passion projects are copious. Movies aren't nearly as expensive to make as anime though.
Different format
Mizuki a shiiiiiit!