What would the middle east be like in 20-30 years from now?
What would the middle east be like in 20-30 years from now?
Alexander Miller
Sebastian Miller
Hopefully a radiated hole in the ground
Kevin Gonzalez
>armenia
>middle east
show that flag, burger
Isaiah Lewis
Who would win the current cold war? Iran and it is allies, Saudi Arabia+UAE and their allies or Turkey+Qatar and their allies?
Hudson Gray
westernized and wealthy of course.. hopefully
Wyatt Lopez
Iran will be the dominant power in the region, probably a good way to becoming a developed country.
Israel and Iran will have come to a peace agreement with huge concessions on both sides
The House of Saud will lose Saudi Arabia. Wahhabi Islam will be in rapid decline beginning a moderation era.
Egypt will become the leader of the Arab World
Iraq and Syria will stabilise.
Afghanistan wont change that much outside of Kabul.
Turkey it's hard to say, probably Islamise further and be one of the few countries where Islamists gain further power
USA will lose most regional influence to Russia and Iran
Jackson Adams
Armenian detected.
Xavier Harris
I can see it becoming way more westernized than it currently is. But I doubt it will be wealthy. Turkey, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain and Israel might end up being wealthy. The rest would probably be average compared to the rest of the world or poor imo.
>Iran will be the dominant power in the region, probably a good way to becoming a developed country.
Iran is gaining influence right know so perhaps, I'd like to see that as well.
>Israel and Iran will have come to a peace agreement with huge concessions on both sides
I doubt that is going to happen, Not without the establishment of Palestine with Jerusalem as it is capital.
>The House of Saud will lose Saudi Arabia. Wahhabi Islam will be in rapid decline beginning a moderation era.
Very real possibility. I think something big (an uprising maybe?) is going to happen in Saudi Arabia in 20-30 years.
>Egypt will become the leader of the Arab World
With the current military dictatorship, it wont happen.
>Iraq and Syria will stabilise.
Or both countries will cease to exist. If people lose sectarianism. Syria and Iraq might unify to form a united arab country (slim chance).
>Afghanistan wont change that much outside of Kabul.
If the war keeps on going and the economy would still relay on opium, then yes.
>Turkey it's hard to say, probably Islamise further and be one of the few countries where Islamists gain further power
Agreed. Islamic culture would gain further ground in Turkey, but it is very likely to stay secular.
>USA will lose most regional influence to Russia and Iran
It is happening right know. Right know, I think the less outside influence in the middle east, the best it is for the world and the middle east (Not for the outsider super powers that will lose the influence though, like the USA).
Jace Green
who knows
the same geopolitical situation probably
Isaac Hill
I think we're definitely in a transition towards a Shia dominated middle East. Whether or not the US/KSA/Israeli alliance can prevent that remains to be seen.
I hope the transition continues, because most jihadists are sunnis.
I don't think Kurdistan will happen.
Hopefully Israel will be destroyed.
Nicholas Myers
Hopefully less autocratic and oligarchic.
Iran dominating the middle east doesn't sound so bad. Iran isn't dependent on a foreign power like say the USA, unlike Saudi Arabia. It's better for the region and the world to have a dominate power that is from the region and can and will maintain the dominance independently from foreign powers. It is not good for the America though.
Israel, KSA, UAE and USA's policies in the region are pretty cancerous. I hope something changes too. Like a regime change maybe in KSA and UAE. Hopefully Israel will return to the 1947 border or be forced too. Or maybe wiped out.
Kurdistan might happen in Iraq and Syria but it is hard.
Levi Rivera
>Kurdistan
>not greater Armenia
you don't belong on Sup Forums
Nathan Gomez
>less autocratic
already heading that way
>and oligarchic.
not gonna happen
semites are wired for nepotism
>Iran dominating the middle east doesn't sound so bad
it's absolutely horrible can't imagine a worst scenario
Liam Bell
Hopefully Israel or Iran destroys Saudi Arabia
Daniel Jackson
I'm not familiar with the politics/policies of the UAE, but I agree 100% about the influence of the USA, KSA, and Israel being a destructive force in the region.
I don't think Israel will ever move it's borders back willingly, so unless the USA changes it's policy of protecting and supporting them, I think that will remain a long term problem.
Recent events in the KSA seem pretty interesting though. There are definitely some big political shifts going on there, so who knows how it could end up in 20-30 years. I don't their culture or alliances would change much, but if they could be made to stop exporting wahabism, I think it would go a long way towards improving the region.
Nicholas Watson
A middle east dominated by shiites is the best outcome
Caleb Ramirez
The middle east is becoming more autocratic. This is the whole point of the Saudi-UAE-Egyptian-Bahraini alliance. This is why they are shifting away from Islamism and to secularism. UAE supported a coup in Egypt so Egypt becomes a military junta rather than a democracy (although potentially an islamist democracy like Iran or soon to maybe-be Turkey). So there can be a dictator.
There are 3 sides in the current middle eastern cold war.
The worst on that I wont to lose and be crushed and replaced is the "Saudi-UAE and their allies" side.
The one that I am neutral towards (but I am more into not liking them) is the "Turkey-Qatar and their allies" side.
The one that I think is the best option for the middle east right know is the "Iran and it is allies" side.
Hopefully both Saudi Arabia and Israel will be destroyed. Preferably by Iran and it is allies, or someone better. Although there is no on better really.
Brody Powell
iraq isn't heading to autocracy idc about those shitters
iran and good should never be used in the same sentence
they're basically saudi arabia except poor and aggressive
Brandon Bailey
Israel is the only democratic country in the region though. The Israel-Palestinian conflict could be resolved overnight if Palestine and Israel agreed on a two-state solution.
Jaxson Fisher
Saudi Arabia tries to be aggressive too, they're just bad at it - look at their efforts in Yemen, for example.
The big difference between Saudi Arabia and It's is the type of terrorism they fund.
KSA funds religious extremists that kill everyone who isn't the right kind of Muslim.
Iran funds political terrorism, mostly related to opposition to Israeli aggression - something that it's morally justifiable to an unbiased person.
So why do you think Iran is worse? They're not only more effective with less allies and resources, but the also appear to have the moral high ground (relatively speaking).
Owen Perry
A one state solution seems perfect if the government wasn't dominated by one group and both groups accepted it.
UAE financed and supported the coup in Egypt. It very likely contributed to engineering it. It might have done the same with the Turkish coup (according to a Turkish official). UAE is also behind the Qatari blockade. UAE is also in bed with Israel. The crown prince of Saudi arabia's most important ally and influencer is UAE's crown prince (and actual ruler).
Israel wouldn't give up anything without pressure.
I think Saudi arabia would be more culturally open and westernized in 20 years.
Not because they are Shia. But because Iran is a great counter to USA-KSA-Israel-UAE influnce in the region.
Tunisia is the only true democratic arab country.
Iraq is pretty democratic for a middle eastern country but it is a failed state with arab shia favoritism, stepping all over kurds and sunnis.
Jose Davis
>The big difference between Saudi Arabia and It's is the type of terrorism they fund.
they both fund the same type
>KSA funds religious extremists that kill everyone who isn't the right kind of Muslim.
so does iran
>Iran funds political terrorism, mostly related to opposition to Israeli aggression - something that it's morally justifiable to an unbiased person
they funded the hit out of alqaeda in iraq
everything is morally justifiable if you're an iranian durka with feces for morals hiding behind a meme flag
>So why do you think Iran is worse?
because while saudi arabia uses financial leverage mainly, iran has only one political tool, terrorism
oh great another meme flag, a tunisian now, nice little tunigger to add to the mix
William Adams
Iran funded shiite militias in Iraq, not al-qaeda. This was not motivated by religion, but by political opposition to the US occupation, and a desire to increase it's regional influence during and after the US occupation. Al-qaeda is a Sunni extremist organization, following the same line of thought as ISIS - they believe shiites are heretics, and that killing then sends you to heaven. The idea that the shia-majority Iran would fund them is ridiculous, uninformed, and laughable.
Give me an example of shiite religious terrorism funded by Iran.
Also, the meme flag is just because I get tired hearing "RARE!" All the time. I'll turn it off, if it makes you feel better.
Lincoln Harris
lulz keep believing that. jews signed the Oslo accords then killed the dude who signed em for going rogue and kept building settlements. fact is, palestinians are 100% justified in using force to get rid of those fakeass ashkenazis
Alexander Russell
no
iran funded alqaeda too
i know alqaeda is a sunni extremist group you shitter
>The idea that the shia-majority Iran would fund them is ridiculous, uninformed, and laughable.
to a stupid retard know it all like you ye it sounds like that
iranian regime transported, armed and deployed alqaeda cells into iraq
telegraph.co.uk
both directly and via syria
news.bbc.co.uk
Levi Edwards
But you're not white so why the white nationalist flag?
Cooper Allen
I was the one to use the white nationalist flag. He used the Nazi flag. Iraqi guy made a mistake.
Lucas Edwards
Jews will win after all.
Kevin Cooper
Okay, I stand corrected about al-qaeda.
The fact remains however, that Iran's motivation is political, and not religious. This is an important distinction; political terrorism attacks western assets in the middle East, while religious terrorism does the same, but also attacks civilian populations in the west.
You still haven't given me an example of shiite religious terrorism, nor a compelling reason why Iranian hegemony would be worse than Saudi hegemony.
I used the national socialist flag.
Landon Cook
if it was up to me it would be colonized by the Iberian race and whoever resists the colonies will be nuked.
Gabriel James
saudi arabia's motive is also political
isis's motive is also political
there is no violence that is not political
you think isis would run over european children with trucks if it didn't generate support among families of children run over by usa with tanks
Noah Johnson
I agree with this analysis. Bretty gud. Maybe the noble persians will add civility/structure back to the chaotic middle east
Ethan Ortiz
the "noble Persians" have a lower gdp per capita than war torn iraq
they should add civility and structure to their own shit iran
Noah Reyes
>glass
Jeremiah Nelson
Yes - ISIS believes that killing shiites, Christians, and other heretics/non-believers will send you to heaven.
It's only only 'political' in the sense that their political ideology is rooted in establishment of wahabi religious law, and the expansion of the caliphate. Iran just wants western powers like the US to mind their own fucking business.
It's comparing apples to oranges, and you know it.
You still haven't given me any example of shiite religious terrorism.
Dylan Cooper
Jump 30-40 years into the future and this map might be what you get.
Kevin Jackson
This
Dad's right again.
Samuel Carter
R-R-R-RARE!?