>still cash flow negative
>needs taxpayer welfare to survive
>plenty of problems and customer complaints with current cars
>already shilling new products to just get investor money
I agree electric cars, and self driving cars, are the way of the future, but this just seems like one big scam company to me. Just preying off of people's love for Elon Musk, futuristic tech, and environmentalism.
Is Tesla a fucking meme brand or what?
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fuel will run out eventually, to not think of the future now is ridiculous, migth aswell bag a sheboon and shit out 10 mongrels while youre at it
He's he best at screwing people over that has existed in human history since Thomas Edison. Pretty impressive even though he's never created anything his entire life besides one bad video game.
Yes. It’s basically just the market research division of profitable car manufacturers at this point. Every sweet idea they come up with will be done better by other companies.
Tesla is a meme. Gas is cheap, coal is plentiful, it's retarded to bet on electric now.
>Oil will run out but lithium is unlimited
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point is they are thinking of the future and the alternatives, what you are doing is on par with the brits during ww2 you dumb memefaggot
OK. At the rate your going at now you'll lose another world war
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Yes cause I'd rather wait 20hrs to recharge before I can go another 100miles than 5mnts to refuel and get to my destination within minutes...
this
also batteries have quite short lifespan and must be handled properly to recover most of their components
besides lithium is high fucking toxic and mining it is an ecological disaster
>point is they are thinking of the future and the alternatives
except they are not at all, they are re-utilizing the same old electric car idea except with Apple style presentation and cult following
i want this shitty Sup Forums meme to die. literally on par with Kekistan tier autism
OBSESSED
not true really, there are advantages to electrical engines. They last much longer and need less maintenance than combustion. This is perfect for commuting.
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>self driving cars, are the way of the future
enjoy your death
Do you even have any argument other than
>It's The Future!™
never claimed that, my argument is that oil is definitely not the future. If you fail to see this i pity you shill
You forgot Tesla has a highest valuation than Ford.
It is beyond a fucking meme, it's a full-blown scam.
He could do wonders with NK.
That large compartment in the back where regular semi's put cargo is the battery. Meme brand.
its actually 500 miles with a 30 minute recharge brainlet
Banana Monkey
>never claimed that
Except you did, it was your first post
You said they are looking for the future of cars because oil will run out
and then went on to repeat the exact same shit on your second post
It will be an amusing contrast to see the shiny Tesla trucks hauling rusty, 20 year old, Chinese shipping containers around
Can that thing even turn 5% of the corners in the US? And can it survive a rub of a side rail even once?
My major question and concern is about the batteries. How often do they need to be replaced and how much do they cost.
Wrong
Also, fake and gay.
Kill all leaf
so you are denying oil is a limited resource, and that they are trying to resolve this problem by using an alternative method? I have no loyalties with tesla, personally I think they are a joke and their way is inneficient, the same opinion the market holds, but, they are atleast attempting to resolve this issue before it is too late. Should we demonize everyones future efforts to find an alternative to biological fuel because Tesla is currently failing at it? We need their efforts and we need more people like them otherwise humanity wont have a future
Nothing will replace internal-combustion engine running on fossil fuel for the remainder of this century. The kWh/kg you can get from a lithium ion battery will never match the energy density of organic compounds. You will always be bound by charging at a rate proportional to the capacity of the battery. I can fill my 90 L tank of fuel in 90 seconds.
Tesla Motors is a fucking joke. Musk's name will become epithet for a new gilded age fraudster. He had his fun sucking government tit under Obama's socialist policies, but now the tit is all dried up and he's done.
yes. they're duping you into beta testing shitty products powered by African suffering while simultaneously expecting your tax money to fund the retard CEO's pipe dream of burning money to die on a useless planet
>Is Tesla a fucking meme brand or what?
Yes, very much so. A company that shits out a scifi-esque idea and the stock price rises. A company that has failed to deliver every time
Literally a company running on methane
cheap oil from fossils is limited, we can synthesize it from plants but it costs more so oil, itself, is not a limited resource
The only trucking outfits to buy a Tesla semi will be companies with an image to upkeep, like Tesla car owners.
Give it a decade and the shitty first gens that aren't shiny any more will be driving around those rusty Chinese shipping containers.
>he thinks we're running out of oil
>tech firm in the automotive business
>can't get replacement parts for a 10 year old car because they don't support that model anymore
>nobody else is allowed to make parts because it's illegal
Can't wait.
>its not my problem its the future generations problem
heres a better one
>UR RONG
you're both wrong
It's 10 hours for the full charge
>so you are denying oil is a limited resource
no, that's your strawman my very first post was about how lithium is also very limited and how you're not really improving anything by switching between consuming a ton of lithium instead of a ton of oil. In fact there is a very good chance lithium is much worse for the environment as a whole.
>I have no loyalties with tesla, personally I think they are a joke and their way is inneficient
ok, that was not at all the impression I or anybody else was getting from your posts
>but, they are atleast attempting to resolve this issue before it is too late
See my second reply to you. Spoiler alert: they're not
>Should we demonize everyones future efforts to find an alternative to biological fuel because Tesla is currently failing at it?
No, but we should call out a snake oil merchant when we see one, this is a thread about Tesla. Have you even bothered to read the OP?
>We need their efforts and we need more people like them otherwise humanity wont have a future
lol no, we need less people like that scum fuck
this cult mentality around people like Elon probably makes real scientists cringe
What we need are actual solutions, not someone who can repackage a failed idea from decades ago to make it appealing
I'd rather huff diesel fumes than pay to mine african villages for rare earth minerals which will result in more apefricans ashore
This. Investment is all about getting in early, thinking about the future, and being patient. Fuel WILL run out someday, and before that happens, people will have already migrated to electric vehicles. Tesla is ahead of its time. Either they will be tomorrow's winner or a competitor will spring up and do it better.
EVs will be a weird, failed footnote in automotive history.
The future is hydrogen powered, camless HCCI
My opinion of Musk has changed drastically for the negative over the last year.
>semis
>commuting
Aren't semis known for mainly long haul trucking? I like Memesla but this just sounds silly.
>replacing one finite resource with another is the future and will fix our problems
Even without the massive issue that would be finding enough lithium to build all these FUTURE™ electric cars do you understand that most of the electricity in merica isn't green right?
>but we can just change that
short of filling your entire country with wind turbines I don't see how you would be ale to support the current demand let alone a future demand with millions of electric cars
I hate these r/science meme energy faggots. The cleanest option is nuclear, but nukular muh bad because 1986 :'(
I hope those fairings are durable or else those trucks are going to look like shit less than 30,000 miles in.
They need bull bars in some areas of the U.S. period.
>subhumans getting in the way of my transhumanist white space exploring society
Just why..
This. Fission is the only viable option. Inb4 much fujushima. That's why we need modern plants instead of these 50 year old plants in fault likes that were designed to be closed 20 years ago but we can't close them bcuz much environmentalist useful idiots protest the building of new ones holding back investment and making extra $ for the entrenched already built plants and the lib shits friends in the "clean" energy sector. Solar panels are toxic for thousands of years chumps.
I wish his mars powerpoint hadn't been delivered with the energy of a newborn with downs syndrome
Probably not. They focused on the design aspect so thoroughly that they forgot the tractor and trailer get beat up during transport duty.
They should have poached more guys from Daimler NA. They practically own the heavy truck and bus market here.
It's all your fault.
You didn't exterminated us when you could.
>fuel will run out eventually
It will never run out, it will just become unprofitable to extract in a economic sense and retarded to extract when looking energy invested and energy gained. Fracking, oil sand etc are basically retarded right now, its only profitable because of low interest rate and loans. The energy return is abysmal, they are basically spending one type of energy just to get another type of energy. Oil based fuels are convenient form of energy storage that can be used in trucks (unlike nuclear, coal etc, which would be impractical or outright dangerous) so one can argue its still worth it.
So the oil will never run out, no one will be dumb enough to extract the last drops.
>implying Merkel doesn't have the tech to convert melanin into metallic hydrogen and isn't just filling up her gas tanks before Europe blasts off to a better planet without these apes.
Electrical is probably a bad idea for long distance trucking, but I know california is putting in some ridiculous laws about how much weight trucks can actually haul, so perhaps they can outcompete combustion if the weight limit is artificially made low.
humans will never EVER travel the stars, simply because we're not built for outer space. You would get cancer 500% for starters. Secondly, robots have no need to eat, sleep, shit or fuck.
A Mars colony will also never happen because:
a) Mars is dead and there's not enough fissionable material to kickstart its core. Maybe if a giant magnifying glass type satellite was to be installed in its orbit, designed to melt it back into action (hundreds of years of work, melting any possible archaeological discovery)
b) People born there could NEVER EVER return back to Earth, meaning they'd be space mongrels stranded for life. Why? Mars has 1/3 our gravity, and a creature born there would need to adapt. Guess what happens when you suddenly weigh 3 times your bodymass in an instant? You snap.
c) No material, regardless how exotic, will never ever be worth the shipping cost
jesus christ, I'm a fucking brainlet pleb and connecting these dots wasn't hard
Have fun paying 10 grand to replace the battery when it stops holding a charge in a few years.
and Tesla cars scream "mandated carpooling by 2030 - no car for goyim come 2050"
They make sense as public transport, not much else
>humans will never get to the moon
>you grandfather 60 years ago.
>humans will never sail around the earth
>your ancestor 1000 years ago.
>Electrical is probably a bad idea for long distance trucking
Not if you combine batteries, capacitors and a road network where you can charge your car on the move. Capacitors can charge really fucking fast so you wouldn't need to have an electric road all over the place, just concentrate on high traffic areas and then space it out evenly in areas that gets a lot of heavy traffic.
See:
I bet the idea of smartphones seemed impossible to you a decade and a half ago.
Even if battery technology is not there yet, it will eventually. there are just some inherent advantages to electrical engines that make them worth researching and better than combustion in some situations.
>constant fast charging
yeah because lithium batteries don't already have enough of a shitty lifespan we have to reduce it
we never even left Earth's magnetosphere, stop moving them goalposts.
humans won't, robots will
>humans will never EVER travel the stars, simply because we're not built for outer space.
We aren't built for the arctic either, that's why we make clothes
We aren't built for the ocean either, that's why we build boats.
So i guess we would have to build both clothes and ships for outer space. What a novel idea.
do em better by yourself if you are not happy with how he's managing it. agree that he shills out a bit too much but that's the best we have until ((((you)))) start your own stuff
wishful thinking. I'm sure a physicist can elaborate. a human in space is akin to a marshmallow in a deep fryer
>mfw he doesn't know what a capacitor is
70% long haul 30% short haul I'd say. I really don't think people are considering the fact that the entire delivery business would have to revamp itself. I guess this is more about electric than self driving, but both require a lot of hurdles that need to be overcome. It's not a simple as making a prototype.
I don't think YOU know what a capacitor is
truth hurts doesnt it?
>wishful thinking. I'm sure a physicist can elaborate. a human in space is akin to a marshmallow in a deep fryer
A marshmallow can't get together with other marshmallows and design a insulated container with its own power source for heating.
Your point is retarded and so are you.
>no u
I'm sure we'll have an interplanetary free market led by India by 2030.
>Canadastani
>Insulting anyone
Surely you jest..
God damn those are ugly
Tesla is another government money laundering company, as always. People calling the guys geniuses because they can build something when they dont have to profit or put their own money on it.
It's the good old "muh government has to invest in technology becasue unlike companies it wants the best for us"
So, quite obviously, meme brand.
You said it will never happen, i never even said it will happen this century. I don't know why you would bring up India or the year 2030 unless you are really trying you prove that you a retard.
No it won't, oil is the best renewable we got.
because our species won't accomplish it. Our mechanical descendants might, but not us.
The Luddites were right all along
We're so far off from it that I don't think my great great grand children will see a colony assuming we haven't all killed each other by then. His facts are accurate and you also hit the point where you would have to augment human living conditions so much that it's questionable if you're really living. I don't want to live 85% of my life in some biopod.
>Is Tesla a meme?
Yes.
Tesla is a cash grab for Space X.
Elon is using the globalist agenda to ruin first world economy with "green" policies that include subsidies and taxes on the real energy sources to fund his Space X program which is not a meme.
Elon Musk is the new NASA.
And in his defence I will add that if he didn't do it, somebody else would.
The thing is that your government WANTS to destroy your economy and advance economic development of china and India.
Musk is not behind the evil scheme but he is using it to his advantage
>from the guy who's only ever had one company that is profitable because he didn't start it and was kicked out of it soon after
I don't know to be honest
yes, only overreactive nerds from Sup Forums are excited about Tesla and Musk
The future, so to speak, has to come from somewhere. Once New York city was a forest, now it's an ugly mass of concrete. Who could have guessed back then what it would become. Same for us.
>electric battery cars are the future
No they're not.
Electric sure, but not without a local power plant.
Be it hydrogen or thorium, there simply isn't infrastructure to accommodate the charging of massive, heavy batteries.
Thinking of the future by pulling a failed technology from 1910 out of San Francisco.
>semis
>commuting
Think of all the fuel savings between africa and germany, though, if you were to pack a trailer hauled by one of these electric trucks full of niggers.
Don't you want to save the environment, user?
As soon as we have artificial wombs and robots that are smart enough to wipe old people in the ass and feed them some food we are basically good to go. Just send some frozen embryos on their way and have a computer/robots raise them. In our society it wouldn't even matter if 99/100 ships fail because its basically just the same as abortion. So we wouldn't need a huge living quarters with radiation shielding, food, oxygen etc and all that for a generational ship.
But if we are willing to irradiate out own atmosphere we could do a generation ship/interstellar ark to. Just google project orion.
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>We're so far off from it
Saying we're far from it pretty far from saying that it will never happen.
bro i laughed for 5 minutes straight at the pictures and i'm not even a newfag
it just doesn't get old
yanks are fucked
He is serving a bunch of lies and dreams and exaggerated promises, burning investor and taxpayers money. It stinks of Tesla now.
you live in a fantasy world. why the fuck would you grow people out of pods with robot nannies when the robots are obviously advanced enough to function by themselves.
Biology has no place in interplanetary space
the future is more likely to look like the planet of the apes than star trek.