Web developer user here. I just wanted to let you guys know what is really happening with the NN event, and make sure you guys can get the information out cause there is a lot of misinformed people on the issue.
But to give you the biggest redpill: the reason why NN shilling is out in full force is because web service companies like Google are about to lose their foothold and advantage. Aka, their internet monopolies are about to get threatened. The reason for this is because isps or other parties can now pay to have their services given more of an advantage over stuff like Amazon, Google, Youtube, Netflix, etc. This is not a war on the consumer. Far from it. It's a war between companies and the guys in SV are frightened af at a free market. This is not a free market of isp choice, but one of web service choice. Because if an isp throttles youtube back to pre-2015 era speeds (which is conveniently when they rolled out HD), that will allow other services to come in and compete with better service, if not even paying the isps more for it.
tl;dr: NN won't have your websites get banned. But Google and the rest who consume a majority of bandwidth are about to be threatened.
Hunter Moore
bukkake and fpbp
Lucas Thomas
Not buying your shit. Fuck the poo and fuck you too
Brayden Fisher
You don't have to buy it, but thats what is happening.
Jordan Gutierrez
If ISPs are smart, they'll utilize their advantages to racketeer from internet service providers. If ISPs are dumb and greedy, they'll utilize their advantages to racketeer from the consumer and small sites. Knowing how businesses are, they start smart and become dumb. So at first, they'll probably racketeer SV, but, after a few years, they'll move on to the little guy.
Xavier Gray
>If ISPs are smart, they'll utilize their advantages to racketeer from Silicon valley*
Blake Butler
They're definitely going after the big money makers like Google and Netflix. The funny part is watching people defend company wars with this emotional tirade that they're going to take down their favorite sites. Which won't happen cause isps will just lower connection speeds to services that drain resources.
Jack Cruz
So all we have to do is get the web service companies more pissed at each other until the whole war on NN collapses?
Angel Brooks
Is Netscape a good browser for use in 2017.
Gabriel Turner
>a war between two great entities of society won't yeild casualties among the common man
THIS IS A STUPID FUCKING WAR. I AM APPOSED TO IT. BUILD MORE FUCKING CABLES, MAKE MORE INTERNET. EVERYONE JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP SO YOU CAN SPEAK MORE FREELY.
Chase Allen
There is a pecking order in all of economics.
>Consumers first. >Capital second. >Labor last.
Businesses that go after the Consumer always get destroyed by political pressure. It's how the Railroads and Big Oil got fucked up and why Anti-Trust even exists. As long as ISPs don't fuck with the consumer, they can survive.
Grayson Lee
>internet service providers user, that's what ISP stands for. How are they going to racketeer from themselves?
Aaron Brown
bernie 2020
Brandon Roberts
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Dominic Flores
Things are going to get very interesting after Dec 14th. The vote will go through regardless. It's the aftermath between internet companies (not isp), which is going to become a power vaccum rush. Btw, I guarantee the isps already have alternatives to replace said services. M$ has been looking for a piece of the pie for a long time, and Hulu/ Disney has been looking for ways to capitalize on their products for a long time. They're going to get it now.
Gabriel Peterson
See
Leo Foster
you guys seem to be forgetting that ISPs don't actually know how the internet works. they really don't, its hilarious
they are execs from the business world this is a field which must strictly be ran by techs, and well, techs are easily controlled by reddit memes and shit
Kayden Wood
>free market >when the ISPs are associated with major websites How fucking dumb are you
Michael James
That's a false statement to make. ISPs got to where they are because they came from the birth of the internet and have survived all protocols.
Adam King
again people like you assume that companies are smart.
people can be smart, companies can usually be pretty stupid.
they will almost immediately start fucking both the consumers and monopolies at the same time.
what kind of moron has seen cable companies try and break each other while simultaneously fucking customers with outrageous cable packages would think otherwise ?
Jose Cook
bump
Hudson Davis
A lack of NN will make the internet companies the real customers for the ISPs. I would expect to get railroaded given their track record, just as cable TV sees advertisers as their real customers.
I don't trust google or netflix, they're nowhere near ATT or Comcast teir in their history.
Nathaniel Ramirez
isps are associated with the highest bidder. and the one who won't cost them money like they already do
Jace Mitchell
Companies are smart enough to be billionaire entities, and any company that gets there is smarter than you or I. I don't care how you look at it,.
Tyler Turner
I remember getting in a heated Sup Forums argument about how NN was fucked because Silicon Valley couldn't capture the Republican Party due to being overly aligned with Social Justice bullshit. Had Silicon Valley primarily focused on their own interests instead of promoting tangential issues hostile to Red team, SV could've captured the Republicans, and prevented this from happening all together. Too bad I guess.
Leo Richardson
You're a moron. Try doing some basic fucking reading before you start spouting bullshit everywhere. This is fucking Sup Forums how are you niggers so dumb. Next you're going to say that Muslims did 9/11.
Logan Peterson
If these companies weren't shielded from competition I'd be inclined to agree with you. ..
Isaiah Kelly
I saw the same thing, too. But if you think about it, it's inevitable. SV is an entirely globalist entity and their lifeline are cheap labor. They couldn't support republicans even if they wanted to.
Lincoln Barnes
Pls screw off with that crap.
Bentley Cox
They already have competition. It's called 4G and 5G is around the corner.
Jace Powell
There are industries that can have it both ways, user. If those Left Coasters had any sense, they would covertly support their agenda, rather than parade around the masses and pissing everyone off. The reason why firms like Goldman Sachs run the world is because they know how to play the game effectively.
Carson Walker
> web developer here
Ryder Harris
>their internet monopolies are about to get threatened fuck 'em, let them burn If I can see these monopolies busted I'll be happy
Robert Green
I agree.
Leo Lewis
>The reason for this is because isps or other parties can now pay to have their services given more of an advantage over stuff like Amazon, Google, Youtube, Netflix, etc. What's to stop Amazon, Google, Youtube, Netflix, etc from outbidding isps or other parties? Surely they have the resources to do so.
Matthew Sanchez
You need to have faith people. What stumbles most people is the term "net neutrality". You really think it is neutral now ? No, it is leftist, wrong think is censored as hard as it can be. Once you realise we already have something that is far from neutral, you can maybe see how change is positive. KEK wills his domain of the ether to be free, and so it shall, but i must as always be cloaked in illusion and its seeming opposite.
Isaac Bennett
>Being able to watch / browse and play anything you choose freely without ISP slowing you down is a bad thing
Okay then, can’t wait to being restricted to my ISP’s new meme youtube version with zero content
Nicholas Bennett
My internship was at netscape. Im not a boomer but an old x who misses raw web power and gif love of thirty minute jpg loads. mmmm
Jackson Lewis
If Youtube wanted to save a few bucks they could stop those (((auto-generated))) and (((totally harmless))) Elsa/Spiderman videos from being posted. Think of how much physical space they'd need for the hardware to store all of those videos.
Luke Perez
>Internet is partially controlled by a select few >let's give the Internet complete control to an even select fewer who have a history of censorship and pushing leftist propaganda >this change is good You shills are fucking obvious, run back to AT&T and tell them this plan of there's isn't working.
Noah Young
Yes we know
Net Neutrality is a socialist system made to benefit large corporations that swallow vast amounts of bandwidth at rock bottom prices
Nicholas Baker
Nothing. That's why it's going to be an interesting 2018.
Justin Hill
no actually they are under strict leash by the NSA
but the actual ISPs are ran by idiots who dont know how the internet works when they are not being puppeted by scientology and the NSA
really, all the people who own ISPs dont know jack fucking shit about the internet. it has always been strictly ran by techs
Caleb Young
Shut up, Denmark. Nothing good ever came from you guys.
Dominic Torres
So wait, doesn't that mean that undoing net neutrality will do nothing to dismantle internet monopolies? Why are we even talking about internet monopolies in relation to net neutrality policy? It seems like a red herring- its an important issue, but fundamentally a separate one, right?
Gabriel Powell
to further clarify yes, in the 90s you had more techs involved with running the actual company. especially with AOL and others. but this has all changed
now ISPs are ran by comcast spectrum time warner bullshit from niggers in new york city who own iphones and can barely open facebook things in the 90s were much simpler
Wyatt Wood
It means, social media is blowing up again for nothing, a chunk of it is being influenced by big players who don't want to pay more money without big daddy government giving them free connections to isp, and the left are just being the left.
I told my colleagues this, this is all stupid af. It's reminding me of the election when people said Trump is going to round up gays and execute them.
Matthew Nelson
Yeah nigga because AT&T and Verizon don't own 4g/5g
Nathaniel Scott
Just know Trump knows what's best for America. Don't worry. +++
Parker Morris
No dipshit you're like the retards who said that Hillary declaring a no-fly zone over Syria wont antagonize the Russian government and lead to conflict between the USA and Russia because "lol the planes will just fly away, it'll all work out don't worry.
No fucking shit big players like Facebook, Google, Netflix etc don't want to be forced to pay ISPs for the privilege of existing, and no shit they don't want to be phased out with shitty imitations built by the ISPs. But anyone who's not sub 90 IQ doesn't want the entire Internet controlled by a very small number of people. It'll be almost impossible to get out any political message that doesn't toe the political line the ISPs want, you're going to be price gouged out the ass because there's already a monopoly in place and the whole Internet will become an extensive propaganda tool of the political elite. Best case scenario is that only you yanks get fucked by this because sites like Sup Forums just focus on the rest of the world, worst case scenario they disappear and never come back. Either way you're fucked.
Alexander Bell
Bernout
Logan Jackson
The reason this is all happening, and it's a very simple reason, is that the political balance of information control is about to shift. You're saying things like "I wont be able to say shit", but you fail to realize that Google and co already have done censorship at extreme levels. So at this point, your view has no moral leg to stand on.
John Perez
Thanks for the intel user. I just want NN to get repealed already so all the shills can fuck off. It's getting harder and harder to have serious conversations here.
Julian Watson
I support Ajit Pai and president Trump. FUCK YOU.
Sebastian Lee
No one's saying that Google is squeaky clean but you're a moron if you honestly believe that giving ISPs all of the power that Google et al has, and a lot more power on top of that, will in anyway make things better. You think that the Jews at the top of these providers have your best interests at heart? You think they give a shit about you? You think they wouldn't love to stamp out any political message beyond "consume and vote for welfare"?
It's not a moral argument, nobody gives a shit about standing up for Google, Facebook or any of the big sites, it's about not making things worse because you're stupid.
Hudson Reyes
I believe that isps should retain the power over their own infrastructure as it was theirs in the first place.
Dylan Peterson
>It's not a moral argument, nobody gives a shit about standing up for Google, Facebook or any of the big sites That's exactly what everyone who is pro-NN is doing, including you.
Michael Nelson
there's nothing to buy you dumb nigger.
Levi Rivera
I agree, with a caveat. There are two infrastructures when it comes to what we called the internet. There is the physical network which the ISPs control. I agree with you there. There is also the web itself, a digital realm that was built utilizing the cords to connect us, but is something distinct from it. There will be major effects on the digital world too so it may not be so cut and dry.
Carson Peterson
Theres more ISPs in the world than Media giants like yutub and googol
mind blown
Jonathan Sullivan
>BUILD MORE FUCKING CABLES ok well jewgle should pay for it, not me. if the isps have to pay for it, then you and i will be paying for it.
Jaxon Anderson
The digital landscape is something no one has control over. That's the point of its existence. But you're going to have to stomach the fact that it's also virtual. Virtual landscapes are not tangible and thus no one can control them.
Dominic Kelly
> are not tangible and thus no one can control them. Neither are concepts or stories, but you can copyright them. I don't think that the digital landscape is not owned by everyone. Those that craft the individual pages own it; however, it public domain, as in anyone can go there. So the concept of ownership isn't as important there.
Jeremiah King
You lying fucking shill. Yes, decent bandwidth will go to the highest bidder, which will be the existing giants like Google and Facebook - not the start ups, who have fuck all in the way of money. Further more, ISPs will have absolutely no incentive to expand speeds and bandwith, as doing simply devalues their service, which is being sold not just to consumers, but now also websites.
Get fucked shill. I can't believe how many retards on this board are happy about this.
Ian Phillips
All net neutrality is, is the idea that ISPs should treat all traffic running through them equally. That means no slowing down certain types of traffic, or traffic to certain destinations, and speeding up traffic to others.
Getting rid of net neutrality is bad because it essentially lets ISPs act as gatekeepers to what content is on the internet.
Consumers are not likely to see the multiple package memes that are going around. What's more likely is that it will be behind the scenes where someone like Comcast or Verizon tells Netflix that they need to start paying them a cut of the revenue received from users on the Comcast or Verizon network. If Netflix refuses to comply they can throttle Netflix into oblivion on their service, effectively cutting off all access to Comcast subscribers for Netflix. Usually while promoting and speeding up competing services that DO pay them or that they benefit from like say Hulu.
If you want an open and free market within the internet then net neutrality is essential.
Now with that said, should you support net neutrality? Fuck no. Companies like Google/YouTube, Facebook, Twitter are all companies that will really be affected by getting rid of net neutrality because they know ISPs will be able to hold them hostage for a percentage of their revenue and they won't be able to do anything about it. These same (((companies))) are the one banning people en masse for wrongthink and now coordinating on trying to take down entire websites. Fuck them all, let net neutrality die. If they want to fuck people around, they can join their users and take a turn getting fucked too.
Jaxson Turner
>ISPs will have absolutely no incentive to expand speeds and bandwith what incentive have they ever had before?
Juan Cook
>you fail to realize that Google and co already have done censorship at extreme levels I remember what the internet was when Google was just a search engine, YouTube was one of many video sites, Amazon might as well have been Pets.com, and Netflix was delivered by the mailman. It seemed messy, but it was a hell of a lot better than a fucking alphabet soup leftist commie propaganda juggernaut who hate America, Men, and God.
Hudson Long
Here is finally a good post for a NN thread. Remember when you had more choices besides Youtube, Facebook, and Google? Remember when it was so watered down, and when you had to play by one comapny's TOS?
Gavin Nguyen
What is much desperately needed is regulating the Internet as a public utility. it hasn't been a luxury in a long while.
Noah Nguyen
So no more NSA-mandated backdoors or else I shut you down?
Caleb Hughes
>> Netflix was delivered by the mailman. > You didn't just go to Hollywood Videos or Blockbuster
Jackson Nguyen
The internet is not about facebook, google, and youtube.
Lincoln Nelson
Time to recalibrate that shill-detectory buddy, seems to be malfunctioning. Trace me, my give-a-damn broke and that green text was your own answer, not my words. Answer me my one point. You really think what we have now qualifies as "neutral" ?
Caleb Russell
*was not so watered-down
Sebastian Lopez
It is for the majority of normies. Also Goyflix and other streaming Talmudvision.
Liam Gonzalez
im tired of seeing fagget threads on this fucking shit its obviously going to happen regardless whatever the fucking public wants so i dont fucking give a fuck anymore
Anthony Ross
You had a good argument then killed it with your spiteful views.
Nathaniel Jones
The majority of normies use a lot more of the internet than you believe. But the internet isnt about social media crap.
Jaxon Adams
Go to Alexa, check the list of top website. Almost every single one is some hipster moralfag company that is now banning users for wrongthink, coordinating in and/or in support of taking down entire websites that they don't agree with, taking down products like the Confederate flag while still selling ISIS flags, etc.
These (((companies))) make up ~95%+ of all traffic on the internet.
Fuck them all, let them burn. I hope they enjoy the taste of ISP dick after it's finished stretching their assholes.
If the internet is going to be some Orwellian nightmare where even the hosting companies are coordinating moralfags then what does it matter if it's them doing it or the ISPs? As far as I'm concerned, they started this shit and they can join the rest of us in their nightmare.
Mason Carter
>don't give ISPs total control over the internet >a moral argument Pick one. Except that most of that infrastructure was paid for by your taxes, so have fun with that. >I believe that monopolies should exist and be encouraged by the people who languish under them wew lad
Jonathan Jenkins
I agree. Let the fire rise.
Charles Murphy
Isps control the gates to the internet. thats an entirely different thing.
Adam Fisher
I believe it. Thanks op
I figured it had something to do with that.
Julian Peterson
You newfag shills are obvious, you don't even know how to read greentext properly.
Samuel Allen
It would be if the tech giants had their way. It's no coincidence they're trying to become the center of the net by offering things like academic help, DIY videos, and the creating spaces for people to discuss certain topics.
I really don't know how this is all going to play out. I'm just keeping my eye out for even more Orwellian censorship and information control.
Jeremiah Rodriguez
All we need are more classes educating people that they enter more than Google.com into their web browsers.
Joshua Torres
you read my mind user
Ryder Walker
This. At least say you're a network engineer or some shit.
Sebastian Bennett
I don't usually say this to memeflags, but bravo, well posted. I agree.
Joseph White
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Jonathan Adams
Google doesnt own the cable infrastructure. Get fucked.
Juan Rogers
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Charles Lee
Google has pulled a lot more vile shit than Comcast. They have literally interferred in the government. Fuck Google.
Thomas Parker
You're living in a fantasy land if you think there is any possibility of regulating the internet as a utility when we can't even agree on net neutrality.
I would be in favor of regulating the internet as a utility as long as the big corporations within it were as well, that means Google, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube are all utilities and/or nationalized out of public interest and that means cutting out all their politically motivated policies and replacing shit about speech codes with constitutionally protected free speech.
As long as hosting companies like Google, AWS, cloudflare, etc... Had a similar regulation on neutrality.
Unfortunately, never going to happen. It's a fantasy. This thing is going to turn into an Orwellian nightmare whether we have net neutrality or not. In that case burn it down, let the (((tech companies))) join us in the shitshow that they wanted to create.
Maybe after they're done getting fucked over for decade or two, they will learn a lesson and we can revisit this idea of an open internet
Nicholas Morris
yet somehow the consumer is the one that's going to get fucked
Sebastian Roberts
On balance I oppose NN because I agree that Google is the bigger Jewish threat but still
Kevin Perez
If ISPs start charging companies for better bandwith, do you really think the buck stops there? Fuck no. The sites you currently enjoy will find ways to make you share this finwncial burden. Don't like YT adds? Expect more. Expect paid membership to sites to also increase. Expect free sites to roll out increased adds, and permium paid memberships to avoid said adds.
Also this. Regular internet people are about to get fucked from both ends like a Chinese finger trap by a literally poo in the loo shitskin shill from Verizon, and mist of your retards are acting a bunch of niggers because, "lmao fuck Obango! Praise god emporer Trump, who's infallible."
Blake Ramirez
Then dont use those sites.
Dylan Reed
>NN won't have your websites get banned. But Google and the rest who consume a majority of bandwidth are about to be threatened.
no shit, any idiot who isn't a brainwashed blue pilled drone can see this.