WW1 - German Surrender

Why did Germany surrender in WW1 when not a single enemy army entered her lands and the were still winning the war in other lands?

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Pressure from the public who wanted the war to be over and many of the kaisers advisors suggested that they were gonna lose either way.

>communist uprisings all over Germany, Munich uprising actually successful
>jews subverting the war effort for money
>America entering the war, who was by this point the prime economic power of the world

A string of bad luck happening right next to one another.

This. A lot of armed rebellion instigated by some... suspicious types... and then a lot of other shit happened.

communist and jews, followed by a jew led communist revolution in 1921.

>not a single enemy army entered her lands

I think the leaders surrendered not the people.

Off topic that's the other war, this is the prequel.

>British education
That's WW2

Same reason US left Vietnam and is widely considered to have "lost" despite crushing the Tet Offensive, etc.

They were entering the swing of winter and were almost totally depleted of supplies. There was a massive famine anyway, because of the blockade to ensure they had to accept Versailles - that famine would have been worse had they continued to fight.

Their supply lines were stretched too thin and America was still fresh and they were losing ground fast. The surrender was rushing to the inevitable to prevent further loss of life and maintain the best negotiating position possible.

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The US wasn't fighting the war to win. That's why we lost Vietnam. In WWI Germany lost the war of attrition and surrendered before losing much territory.

Kike communists took control of their factories and sabotaged their supply lines.

They didnt surrender.

Communist uprising in the north, sinking the fleet. SPD cucks sperging out. Spreading fake news the Kaiser had abdicated and afterwards forcing him to resign.
>Wer hat uns verraten? Die Sozialdemokraten.

Wrong. Ww2 is the shitty sequel, where they took the socialist sidestory and fabricated a new enemy.

There was desertions everywhere by 1918 and morale was super low. Germans are master race but even the master race is human - they were tired of killing their European brothers, from all sorts of different countries, singlehandedly for 4 years by themselves. The arrival of the Amerimonster mongrels from across the pond didn't help either because they were getting tired of wasting their ammunition killing so many of them when the obvious answer was to use a magic spell and cleanse them all in one-go.

After obtaining the Balfour Declaration the Rothschild's stopped funding the German war effort and so Germany faced massed starvation.

Germans aren’t human.

The Royal Navy blockade, the collapse of their war effort and revolutionary activity going on within the navy and major cities.

The Allies should have continued on. It's exactly the reason why they didn't let Germany surrender before they invaded it in WW2, since it let dumb fucks like Ludendorff put the blame for the surrender on the "November Criminals" instead of his own incompetence as a general - which in turn led to the stab in the back myth.

Because fighting to the end isn't their style

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WW1 ended because of economical reason. The early decades of the 20th century brought up a complete domination of a techonology and a machines over biological fragility of a human body. High caliber howitzers, machine guns, grenades, combat gases - all of those proven to be so effective at killing humans that war came into a stalemate and none of the sides could gain advantage. At the same time the upkeep of the armies started to ruin the involving parties that have already left the gold standard and started to print money to keep up with the costs. This lead to economical crisis, especially in German Empire that made it impossible to continue the war.

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Why did Japan cede the Pacific after they crippled the US/Australian fleet there? If they pushed on, they would have held and Axis would likely have won second world war.

From what I understand:
1. They lacked resources, due to the British naval blockade.
2. Victory was made impossible with American entry into the war.
3. War induced poverty and lack of morale, turned many civilians, or more worryingly, soldiers to communism. This posed a serious threat to the government.

OR (if you like Adolf):
1. J
2. E
3. W

oh, the irony.

The German high command was atrocious as well. Michael offensive, never forget.

To be serious, because they were alone at that point. the austro hungarian empire was defeated.

it's ironic for everybody, as it never happed

Amongst other reasons Germany was starving to
death

Germany was a metophorical castle under siege, blackaded and the populace was starving to death

whats wrong with taking the initiative if you get the whole russian front as reeinforcement?

Or maybe it's combination of both? Jews exploiting the weaknesses? It was same thing in Russia. Only they succeeded there.
Or you going to deny it? Jews dindu nuffin?
Of course a pole would defend them.
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Ottomans and Austria-Hungary already lost, Verdun and Somme were lost and Americans joined soon after. The last offensive in 1918 failed to break through and there was a problem with supplies.
Any other explanation is just a lame excuse.

Wasting it to take barren wastelands defended in the same way you came up with 1 year earlier.

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Foreigners don't seem to even know about the Royal Navy blockade. It is by far the most serious factor in the German defeat since it was due to the virtual mass-starvation in Germany that people were on the verge of going full communist, the Kaiser got overthrown because of it, the German army itself had low morale as a result etc.

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>you get the whole russian front as reeinforcement?
Too bad khokhols couldn't deliver enough.

Because Germany could not go 1v3 especially later on when America joined. Germany had weak allies

Meh, all of the countries involved made shitty decisions, at one point or another.
The difference being, Entente could make mistakes and get away with it, due to size of their economies and populations.
Central powers didn't have that comfort.
In a way, they were doomed from the start.

so just sitting around and waiting for the food to run out ist better?

1. Americans
2. A-H and the turks were getting fucked and Germany couldnt do shit to help them
3. Jews, what else?

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>mass-starvation
There was enough food, but the distribution was atrocious. Another reason why Ludendorff and Hindenburg are extremely overrated.

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>expecting it to mention/mock my freudian-typo of blackaded instead of blockaded

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You reap what you sow. They let Lenin and others come to Russia bringing Jewish communism.
>According to Pipes, relying on numbers from Eduard Bernstein, the German government sent "more than 50 million deutsche marks in gold" from 1917 to 1918 to help the Bolsheviks establish and hold power. I have no idea what that converts to in today's dollars. The investment was substantial, and at least with respect to achieving the goal of ending Russian involvement in World War I, the investment paid off.

It was a lost cause from the start so who knows.

Yes. But also, allies made bad decisions at the start of the war, but then improved their decision making over time. Central powers had good decision making processes at the start, but then either stayed at the level or became worse. The war was not just about quantity, but also about the steepness of the learning curve. Tanks are a good example.

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There wasn't enough food. People were barely having 1500 calories, hundreds of thousands of people died, the German army had to survive off of turnips and things got so bad that even the Austrians were hijacking German food shipments on the Danube. Over time its effects were brutal. It didn't have to kill millions to have a deleterious impact on the German war effort.

>Why did Germany surrender in WW1
Do you really still need to ask?

CAN YOU KEKS STOP WITH THE STARVATION LIE?

424 000 german civilians died because of the effects of war on the economy. 200 000 of them were due to the spanish flue. 224 000 in 4 years is alright. keep in mind that germans heavily inflated the starvation meme to gain sympathy.

germans were not a food importing nation. AND they gained huge supplies by defeating the russians and taking over large chunks of territories on the east.

They decided to stop fighting because they lost their only big remaining ally, austro hungary. Now it's always better to go at the negociation table when your ennemy doesn't hold parts of your territory.

All I’m saying is that increased centralization of the Central power’s economy meant increased waste.

(((Ukrainian))) calling me out. Nice one.
Jews are responsible for many ills of todays society, rise of marxism, both classical and cultural, enslavement to the debt, etc. They did sumthin'.
But unless you can prove that Jews had a part in fall of German Empire, I'm not going to hold them responsible for it.
I don't even consider it a crime. A crime was starting WW1, not ending this madness.

they had no other choice then to try to make one last decisive victory or else...well we know what happened after the war

Huh, I never thought about it this way. I think you are right.

Oh, well you are right - i'm just saying that the food situation was awful anyway. Incompetence and inefficiencies just made it even worse.

>germans were not a food importing nation

Wrong.

>AND they gained huge supplies by defeating the russians and taking over large chunks of territories on the east.

They gained some, but most of it was to feed the million German soldiers wasted garrisoning the new territories. Not much of that food managed to make its way all the way from the Ukraine to Germany.

Starvation wasn't a lie.

>try to send your entire navy for "one last decisive victory"
>end up losing your Kaiser, turning into a cucked republic and eventually leading to a second war

Yeah. They had no other choice...

Neither are mountain Jews.

Maybe if we had taken the war to G*rmany they wouldn't have been so keen for a second round.

we were talking about the michael offensive idiot

they produced 80% of their food domestically. everybody had food shortages due to logistic fuck ups. starvation is extremely exagerated.

but I get it user, everybody wins, germans explain why they had to surrender to protect their people from dying because they are nice guys while the allies are monsters. and you agree with it because it inflates your ego, "hurr durr we won because of our boats god save the queen"

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>Hellenic has a Roman symbol
>Roman has Germanic symbol

There was still some semblance of honour from the age of monarchies when wars were basically done for sport and after a few months everyone shook hands and went home. The idea of a war that would pretty much destroy Europe and do significant damage to civilian populations wasn't really what anybody had in mind.

It took the autism of nationalism, communism etc to achieve that

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Because the army was in no shape to launch attacks. And with Murica taking the sides of the allieds there was no hope of winning.

Thus it was a smart move to cut the already huge losses.


If america hadn't joined the war this thing would have gone endlessly.
Germany, France and GB were at the end of their power. No one was able to get the other side down.

Germany fucked up royally when in 1914 they took out 2 whole divisions from the west and put them to the east (where they arrived too late / germany already had won the battle of tannenberg).
This led to the stalemate in the west.

After 1914 this war was already lost.

It is Reddit. I remember being here back in like 2011 when people were mocking your site for this sort of shit, especially the use of old memes that had fallen out of favour here like 5 years earlier.

Because they were actually on the brink of being on the losing side.

Ludendorff knew that if the allies were to win, they would occupy Germany, and he told Hindenburg to end the war.

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>implying I wasn't here when newfags couldn't 7 in 2008

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>After 1914 this war was already lost.
Falkenhayn saw from early on that a total victory would have been impossible - he knew that in 1914 already - and that the best they could do would be a peace with favourable terms.
However, the most successful year for the central powers was 1915. In 1915 after the Gorlice-Tarnow offensive, Russia was de-facto militarily beaten. They had huge losses and were on the retreat. This would have been the point where a reasonable actor would have entered peace talks. However, the Tsar was bound by the treaty of London and could not do that. Still, had Germany managed to convert their military victory politically, i.e. get a separate peace in the East, then most certainly France and Britain would have entered peace talks as well - and it would have been a peace that favours Germany.
In that regard you're not entirely right: Germany could have won the war, and 1915 was the most likely year to achieve it (even though it would not have been a complete military victory).

Don't get triggered cuck

They left five corps (ten divisions) in Belgium for sieges and sent two corps (four divisions) to the Eastern Front.

While they came too late for Tannenberg, the two corps were needed on the Eastern Front for the Battle of the Masurian Lakes in September.

Not the corps sent for the east but the ones laying sieges in Belgium were dearly missed and tactical and strategic mistakes by the german first Army and High Command lost the Battle.

They were starving, our blockade did a quote on quote "good" job in terms of putting pressure on everyone in charge

Ukraine isn't even a real country, calling him 'Ukrainian' is retarded. He's just a simple ruthenian peasant who needs back some (Polish obviously) pan's whip so he stops chimping out.

Dat reddit spacing. You need to go back mongrel.

>The regime you supported fell
>The regime you were fighting against won
>You didn't lose the war
Maybe you have won in the war front, but you lost in the propaganda one, and this was decisive.
Against Cultural Marxists, never relax.

They didn't realize they were the master race until WWII.

It's called sentence structure and comes from the real world you leeching leftist piece of shit.

Ludendorf wasted the cream of the german army in the blunder we call the Kaiserschlacht. After that we didn't have the capacities any more to win so we took Wilsons offer for a fair peace and instantly got bamboozled by the eternal anglo and our frog eating buddies (after demobilizing the army obviously).

Once a million of their German young men are lying dead across the fields of France and Belgium, I think they realised they wouldn't even had the ability to protect their new clay.

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Internal conflicts, war exhaustion, marxists. Also god hate germans.

Germany winning ww1 would have been the best for europe, prove me wrong.

Another factor to take into consideration is the utter uselessness of AH and the Ottomans. Germany wasn't just doing the heavy pulling, it was doing ALL the pulling. Austria-Hungary was fucked by officer commisions being given to inbred useless nobles, interethnic strife, slavic units refusing to fight in the east etc. and only had any success where they were defending their own territory (Italian front). Ottomans were backwards as all fuck, technologically, doctrinary, socially etc. they were still in the 18th century and depended on Germans to keep them afloat.

Really, Germany had less effective allies in WW1 than it did in WW2

Since you'r English, Robert (von Ranke) Graves writes there was also terribly shortage in UK, due to German subs that sunk 1/3 of all supply ships

2 more months and Austria would've surrendered, there would've been Italian troops in Bavaria and both Czechoslovakia and Poland would've entered the war on the allied side.

War was unwinnable for Germany in 1918

But really though, trying to get fucking MEXICO to invade America to keep tham busy was a pants on head retarded idea and whoever in the German command at the time greenlit that was a fucking mongoloid moron.

because soldiers didn't want to fight for some retarded Kaiser anymore

Commie uprising started.

If you had won early, in 1914 or 1915, then yes. In 1918 it didn't matter what side won, Europe was already finished.

>Who is Walther Rathenau in what was his position
also Germans had a pact (official policy) between politicians and industrialists (i.e. subservient workers) in wartime to maintain peace to acheive victory (cant realy remember the name of it but will dig it out)
When the toll was too great that "pact" was starting to crumble

No need to mention who were Spartacists and what happened under their "rule"

they run out of soldiers, food and supplies,
all their allies - ottoman and austrian empires were destroyed.

Burgfriedenspolitik is the name

This is the correct answer. British navy was starving Germany out. Hence why Hitler and others wanted Lebensraum.

Typical tactics of merchant powers.

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>The Allies should have continued on. It's exactly the reason why they didn't let Germany surrender before they invaded it in WW2

Fuck off you stupid American slave. The war should have been settled on amicable terms within a year, when it became obvious that vast amounts of blood were being spilled for such minimal gains (not to mention the money, your country bankrupting itself in this stupid war).

The punitive nature of Versailles made the next war inevitable, and you would have emptied your country of all its young men before you reached Berlin. What kind of cretin looks at WW1 and thinks: "Nah, we should've pushed on, should of destroyed our countries, and increased our dependence on the USA even more"

Fucking stupid cretin. And the doctrine of "total surrender" in ww2 was a barbarism quite typical of the real leaders of the allied side of this war, FDR and Stalin.

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>British navy was starving Germany out.
It would have been much less of an issue if ludendorf and hindenburg had a basic concept of logistics and economics. But those are jewish sciences and don’t real.
K.u.k. And the caliphate did their jobs in the big picture. The austrians kept the russians at bay, who were about as useless as they were. The Muslims threatened India, the oil fields of iraq and egypt, the lifelines of the brits and french. Without them, the war would have been over even faster. The problem was that they became more reliant on german expertise over time. As previously mentioned, that expertise was in stagnation at best. Combined with their initial backwardness, it made their individual collapses even more spectacular.