What if it sucks?

What if it sucks?

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Well, it can't get any worse than the TV series and Rebellion.

It's Madoka, of course it'll suck

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can't be worse than rebellion right?

Homura looks pretty sexy in this poster.

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I hope they go with the times and have male magical girls in this.

Still more material for fapping. Nothing to worry about.

I never understood this.Why does Sup Forums hate rebellion?The only thing I disliked where Charlotte and the fight scene between Mami and Homura, but the rest was great, the ending was great, the plot was great, what the fuck am I missing?

They are edgelords who hate happy endings, that is all.
Most of them are mad everybody except Kyubey got a happy ending in Rebellion.

Rebellion shat all over homura's character, and everyone else was irrelevant (as characters)
The idea of 'she's unstable and delusional so she snaps and overthrows madoka' isn't bad by itself, but it's handled like cold piss with MUH MISUNDERSTANDING
It was a fanwank cash grab, interviews confirm it as such

It's a continuation to a series that didn't really need one, the story itself is much worse and the ending is a massive asspull. Also, the ending besically brings everything right back to where it was at the start of the series.

And the Mami - Homura fight is fucking quality.

Madoka ended in a bittersweet ending.
Then they tacked on rebellion, which as nice as it was, just made the entire madoka series irrelevant, like a fanfiction piece becoming reality.
The story was complete before rebellion.

The mami-homura fight, specifically the bit where they're in melee range swatting eachother's guns away, is literally the only good thing in rebellion, and that's only from a self-contained visual standpoint

Not with that mediocre choreography.

That sequence in specific stood out to me, with the little sways of the camera. The rest of the fight was mediocre, yes.

I agree that the series didn't need a continuation, but it got one and they managed to make it pretty good, if anything its an accomplishment.
I like the story because we get more Homura and more Homura is good.Also it made sense and there were no eye-rolling moments, so while not as great as the series definitely not terrible.

The fight between Homura and Mami was terrible, however.It was the only moment I rolled my eyes, the same as I did in the series when they fought.Homura should have wiped the floor with Mami, given that she has probably a few centuries in which she did Magical Girl things and Mami had a few years at best.Also they were shooting each other's bullets.Also Homura's time-stop works only when the plot requires it to do, without any explanation as to why it doesn't.

But this is nowhere near deserving the amount of hate Sup Forums has for the series.I really think Sup Forums hates good endings.

Well, no, visually the entire movie is solid, the soundtrack is beautiful as well. It's not a bad movie in general, it's just that it's bad compared to the series.

The visuals were pretty, as were the visuals for the first two movies.
The soundtrack was good, as was the soundtrack for the series and priortwo movies.
If the only good things about the movie are things it inherited from what it's a sequel to, it's bad and unneeded. It's similar to why Sup Forums hates the rebuilds, and why people dislike sequels in general (with exceptions, see godfather pt 2)

>Interviews confirm it as such
No source, statement ignored.
Homura is not delusional, what have you watched?Unstable yes, but not delusional.Look that word up if you don't know what it means.
And you can't say that the last few minutes of the film, when she actually overthrows madoka are handled badly, because the ending is a cliffhanger and you can't say it's bad until you see the continuation.From what we get to see there is nothing incoherent.Also there is nothing specific you can point out about it that makes it bad.

>I like everything but what everyone else likes

Well, aren't you a precious unique little snowflake?

Princess Tutu ripoff

Speaking of If Code Geass R3 would be as good as Rebellion I would consider the franchise one of the best anime series in existence.

This.

Magical fags is literally the second best selling late night MG after Madoka, just losing to Yuuki Yuuna.

Unless you count Symphogear.

I've said in my original post that I disliked the battle scene, before I new that for some reason it's the only thing Sup Forums likes about the movie.I believe I gave sound enough reasons for my opinions so you can sleep well at night knowing that they were influenced by the movie and not by this board.

>it got one and they managed to make it pretty good, if anything its an accomplishment
No it's not, "pretty good" is not enough if what you're working with is as good as Madoka.
>it made sense and there were no eye-rolling moments
I mean, fucking really, are your standards this low? It also didn't have any of the eye-popping moments of the original and that's kind of the main appeal of the series. And that's the whole point - Rebellion wasn't a bad movie, it's just that it was nowhere near the quality of the original and it feels like the entire series became a bit worse as a result.

And yeah, Homura's power is one of the biggest plotholes in the whole setting, but that's been the case since the beginning because that particular power is by definition a bit fucking broken.

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>Because I wrote the original without a sequel-hook in mind, writing the new movie's screenplay had been a difficult process.
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>There's not a total lack of service scenes, but I can't say that they are decidedly swimsuit or onsen situations…
I already pointed out a specific retarded thing: Homu's character development is flushed down the shitter because of
>muh midunderstanding

You are right.However the franchise as it stands is incomplete and the movie ends in a cliffhanger, it's hard to judge it on it's own, without knowing what comes next.

>I like the story because we get more Homura and more Homura is good
>they managed to make it pretty good
Of course you would think that, you fucking delusional Homufag

>Homura should have wiped the floor with Mami
Keep crying bitch Homu, Homura has always been a shit

KyokoXMami is the true OTP and ACK is a double nigga. That's all.

>I can't say that they are decidedly swimsuit or onsen situations…
How would Sup Forums react to Rebellion if it were literally all hot springs, beaches and amazingly choreographed fights?

>anime
>bittersweet ending that sums up the entire anime
>nothing happens with the main "villain" because he lies in some amoral grey area which is a proper conclusion for him
>fast paced with enough character development and plot

>rebellion
>clusterfuck of events
>unecessary fanservice
>nagisa
>goofy moments ruining the serious tone of the series (sayaka breakdancing/cake song)
>homura mary sue'd
>dude what if like mami and sayaka fight in a super shounen epikk battle
>all characters made irrelevant and playing secondary roles because their "arcs" are already completed
>ending is a cliffhanger
>kyubey fucked

Oreimo levels of butthurt.

>Mami defends Kyubey from Homura
>Mami ties up Homura in a Labyrinth, putting everyone in danger, Mami gets ahead of herself, dies like a cunt and Homura barely manages to clean up after her shit
>In the fight Homura's power simply did not work, so that Mami would be equal to her.
>Homura puts up with her shit for centuries, still treats her nicely every time.
You, sir, are delusional.

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"/a" hates Rebellion because everyone who isn't a literal retard discussed it to death during the first couple of weeks after the movie screenings and then the first couple of weeks after the BD release and now the only ones voicing any kind of opinions about it are the literal retards.

Just kill yourself already, !Akemi.
There is literally nothing the pairs Kyouko and Mami together as a couple.
And ACK does not exist, like you already know. Stop shitting up every single Madoka thread in your autistic quest to attack this made up person.

> they managed to make it pretty good
>we get more Homura and more Homura is good.

>Homura should have wiped the floor with Mami
>muh donut steel OC character cannot lose

seems like you're just a delusional waifutard
mami is homura's reality check deal with it

The ending of the original series wasn't the series at it's best no matter how you put it.Cliffhanger ending is not bad, there is another show coming.If there was not/there was only manga then it would be terrible.
Yes, the fight is bad, I said that.
The other characters weren't irrelevant.Only Mami was.
And no, there was no proper conclusion for Kyubey in the original series.He needs to either win or lose, otherwise it's like harem endings in romance.

I didn't start the thread though.

>sayaka breakdancing
That transformation sequence was fucking amazing you shut the fuck up you little shit.

I would have no problem with her being Homura's "reality check" if that would've been handled properly.Mami is, however, only doing retarded things, like what I've said in my other post.
And you've gotta be kidding me.In that fight they literally made Homura not be able to use her only power to be on par with Mami, and also give Mami the ability to create a fake body, which if she had all along, why did she die to Charlotte in the series?Oh right because she had it only when the plot required it .Mami is a great character, but the other characters in the show are better.

>made up person
If I made you up, you wouldn't reply

Stop that.

>Cliffhanger ending is not bad
HAHAHAHAHA
>The other characters weren't irrelevant.Only Mami was.
Nobody except Homura matters in Rebellion. They're literally only there to guide her character arc, which is complete trash.
>And no, there was no proper conclusion for Kyubey in the original series.He needs to either win or lose, otherwise it's like harem endings in romance.
>hurt i don't know what an open ending is and i can't tell the difference between that and a cliffhanger. Also me can't into nuance, bad guy need to win or lose

>In that fight they literally made Homura not be able to use her only power to be on par with Mami
Yes, let forget about the ribbon and how Homura power get totally fucked by maintaining contact with her body, fucking delusional Homufag

>if anyone at all has a problem with me shitposting that means they are my boogieman
Do you realize how literally circular your logic is?

>maybe if i keep replying to him he'll realise he's a retard and will stop shitting up the thread
Stop. For your own sake.

It really isn't seeing how you post this copypasta here every single time.

I'm actually really worried about this. The ending to the original series was fine, but nothing all that special. Rebellion, on the other hand, was absolutely brilliant all the way through as an installment of the series, but it wasn't very satisfying as an ending. It absolutely demands a continuation. So the quality of the franchise, and whether Rebellion really was as good of an idea as I think it is, all depends on how they handle the sequel. If it's crap, it'll probably retrospectively ruin Rebellion for me.

I'm actually very happy they're spending so much time on this rather than rushing to announce it as soon as possible. I'd be absolutely fine with waiting a few years if it's as great as Rebellion.

Is this bait or do you actually prefer Rebellion to the series?

The ribbon was shot though.She definitely had no physical contact with Homura after that.We see her body freeze ffs.IF she still had a ribbon, the ribbons her body was made of wouldn't have been frozen.Also, her fake body was an ability she didn't previously have.If she could do that why did she let herself be killed by Charlotte?Plot convenience is the reason Homura didn't win that fight and I'm still mad.

>maybe if I leave the shit on the floor alone it will clean itself up

It's not copy and pasted, !Akemi. And there are only so many words in the English language. You never do anything new shitposting wise, so there are only so many things that can be said to you.

Maybe if you actually did something different or addressed the arguments people made, different things would be said.

I do. A lot of people do. I liked Madoka from the start but it wasn't that special before Rebellion.

Explain, for every single character, what you think their role in the plot and character arcs were in the tv series. Then reconsider the ending and fates of the characters.
Then do the same thing for Rebellion.
I want you to realise how wrong you are for yourself.

/thread
Can we go home now?

>I never understood this.Why does Sup Forums hate rebellion?
I don't like anything.

what

Why though? What did Rebellion even do, barely anything happened in that movie?

>if

Not only did it barely do anything new (homu usurps madoka, that's it), it UNdid what the series established
It was literally a coming of age story in reverse for Homu

I don't deny that Sayaka, Mami, Kyouko and Nagisa didn't get much development in Rebellion. They were certainly worse than in the TV series. But that's fine. They've had their character arcs, Rebellion was about Homura.

I'm not going to discuss this again because it always ends up with autists using their retarded headcanon to explain things ("it was homura fighting homura's labyrinth all along!" etc)

in fact, no matter how dumb or retarded your headcanon is that's still valid because rebellion feels like a fanservice/fanmade movie

Why do buther's series always crash and burn in the long run?

And all it does is take her character arc from the series and shit on it
She goes from accepting madoka's wish and moving on, right back to being a dependent child
And the way they do it is by a fucking misunderstanding, when homura asks her a loaded question
Rebellion was a polished turd

But please explain to me what part of my post implies that?
I didn't even say anything about the show itself in that post, I only said that Mami defeated Homura only due to plot convenience, nothing else.Rebellion feels that way because it's very different to the series and we get Homura as MC from the beginning, and the movie focuses on her whereas the series felt like it had no MC and focused on all the girls almost equally.

Also since you were nice enough to call me a delusional waifutard, and I was nice enough to explain my opinion with different examples from the show, you should explain your own opinion and not back down the moment I bring any relevant evidence, while also not agreeing to what I said.

I disagree; Homura never got any closure on her wish. Yes, it seems like she's accepting it in the last episode of the TV series, but we never see how that transition came to be. What made her suddenly accept Madoka sacrificing herself? They just end it without even fucking mentioning anything.

It's also clear that Homura, despite seeming accepting, is still latching on to her duty and obsession by the end. Rather than struggling and obsessing about saving Madoka, she's now fighting "to protect the world that Madoka gave her life for". She worships Madoka like a deity. Rebellion is about Homura realizing that it isn't enough, and takes back the agency Madoka took from her. This means she doesn't "worship" Madoka anymore. Hence all the nihilism symbolism.

I'm going to tell you this just because you're too retarded to even understand what you're complaining about, Mami power is ribbons, she can created anything that she understands with her ribbons (this is how she created muskets), she understands her own body so she can created a copy of herself

I feel like Rebellion fucked up a perfect ending and was just loaded with fanservice to appease the shitty otaku fanbase.

It's undeniable that the production was good and it was nice to see the characters again, but in the end it felt wholly unnecessary. And now with it being dragged on even more I'm losing faith in the Quartet and SHAFT. There are much less destructive ways to milk a series but instead they have to invalidate the sacrifice and suffering that made the original story so moving.

It seriously can't be worse than rebellion story

>focused on all the girls almost equally

that's why the anime is great idiot
all characters had proper development
even secondary characters (madoka's mom/teacher) had some with that dialogue near the end

rebellion is a shitty fanfic story about an OC donut steel character shitting on the lore

>MUH MISUNDERSTANDING.

fucking this!

Seriously, madokami deserved to be punched in the face for giving sayaka the task of 'guiding' homura, because that wasnt guiding at all, it wasnt even giving clues at all.

Girl, if you target doesnt even have the smallest idea of what you are actually talking about, you arent supposed to talk like you are planning to kill her in her sleep, specially when you target and you have an actual history of enmity spanning god know how many timeloops, and said target has an actual hatred of the thing you are now without giving her not even the minimal amount of context.

For some reason, i imagine someine like nagisa, an absolute anomaly outside the main five would be more capable to help homura understand her situation, and what the law of cycles is actually about.

And this is even worse with sayakas comments about 'doing this plan the hard way' at the end, what was the easy way then? Kill homu the first chance you have?

I know this is fiction and you arent supposed to be angry, but this smells of contrivance SO MUCH its not even funny.

Rebellion was fine if you just remove the last 10 minutes.

>but we never see how that transition came to be. What made her suddenly accept Madoka sacrificing herself?
Kyubey says that Homu herself realises that the only thing that keeps her going is saving Madoka, and that's the only thing keeping her from giving in to despair. Note that in the flashbacks she was trying to save everyone before giving up on them. In the series, Homu is a more nuanced character than 'muh madoka'. After Madoka's wish, Homu can move on as her own person, while still honouring Madoka and what she did.
In rebellion she's reduced to a Madoka worshipper.
>takes back the agency that Madoka took from her
That sentence shows such a fundamental misunderstanding of both their characters that i don't even know what to say.

Why didn't she think of that before she got her head chomped off?

Imagine reading Les Misérables. You're ready to close the book, plainly satisfied by the ending.
Then Victor Hugo, freshly risen from his grave, takes it from your hands and starts writing a sequel in the inside back cover. Cosette becomes a super scientist and resurrects Jean Valjean. Meanwhile, French police transforms Javert's body into Robocop. The last words are "...to be continued in LES MISERABLES 2 (maybe)".
Pretty rude, right?

This is Rebellion.

Ok, this is it.I'm going to assume you are retarded.
Let's start from the beginning
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3:34 -The bullet has cut the ribbon, and Mami is frozen.You can clearly see this.We get quite a wide shot, so we see that Mami definitely did not move her real body.If the body is made of ribbons, she would still have to move her real body, and we clearly see that she hasn't.When Homura starts time again she is on some rock.When did she get there?How couldn't we/Homura see her?

Besides that.After the ribbon was shot, even if she did all that , she would still be frozen in time, at the exact place she was at 3:34, and the bullet would've hit her.

Now explain if you were born retarded or have gotten this way over time.

Because she was showing off.

Imagine Rebellion never happenned.
Do you still need an explanation for how she didn't save herself in ep3?

ack is a kyoukofag? typical

He will definitely reply to me since he KNOWS for a fact that he is ACK!

Oh yeah, I can see how creating a ribbon clone that fights for you while you watch from a distance is kinda lame.

I like this post.

Her showing off caused her to get shocked and caught off-guard. She mistakenly thought that Bebe was just going to be an ez witch kill and didn't expect Charlotte to be so powerful.

Mami is a really powerful magical girl, but her biggest weakness is her lack of humility.

>lack of humility.
How can you be this retarded

The idea was that Mami went prepared, because she knew Homura's power, and the entire battle was Homura vs a Mami ribbon bunshin until the timestop finished, which is when the real Mami showed up.

No, as I said, it was well known, even before Rebellion, that Mami got killed because she was showing off and got careless.
With Homura, she went prepared and took her fully seriously.

But user, I did not say that as a bad thing.That was a difference I pointed out, and might be the reason you said Rebellion feels like a fanfic.

Rebellion was about Homura and that's not a bad thing.It could've been about any of them, but you could argue that Homura got little screentime in the anime compared to her importance to the plot, so a movie who is focused on her can't be a bad thing because of that alone.

>b-but that's not necessarily a bad thing
If you're going to focus on one character, you need to do a damn fucking good job with that one character. Which rebellion doesn't, not even remotely.

If that's really the case then she is a worse baka than Sayaka herself. If she had that technique in the series I'd imagine she would have been using it all the goddamn time. Why even show up to the fight when you could just have 10 Mamis each firing their unlimited musket works form 10 different angles?

Again, your reasoning is full blown circular. You are doing something wrong. Meta shitpositng and damaging threads. Thus it is normal to have a problem with you. Normal being something that there is many of. In this case, there are many people who have a problem with you ruining threads that people could otherwise enjoy.

Here's a better question. Why do you think only one person would ever take issue with what you are doing?

Rebellion is better than the main series.

Fact: Rebellion is fanwank and the canon is both more internally consistent and objectively better if Rebellion is ignored

>That sentence shows such a fundamental misunderstanding of both their characters that i don't even know what to say.

What about it? Homura was always the driving force of the plot in the series, until Madoka made her wish. Homura's wish was to be someone that could protect Madoka, and that was what she struggled for all that time. Yet in the end, Madoka is the one to protect her. You can't have missed all the symbolism with them passing the ribbon back and forth.

If you think Homura would have been fine accepting Madoka passing away and moving on, that's fine. I disagree though. Moemura hated herself, and Madoka was the only thing that made her life worth living. She even tried to kill herself at one point. All those years looping did nothing but strengthen her dependence on Madoka.

I told you guys!

Now fuck off

Thank you for properly explaining your reasoning, I apologise for assuming you are retarded.

TDS is more canon than Rebellion.

!Akemi, you painfully autistic retard, replying to you does not prove anything.
However, you absolutely always refusing to address what people say does prove who you are. Because literally no one else acts like you. It's not sane or normal.

Oh, and of course, the behavior you attribute to "ack", there's nothing at all wrong with it. So you're wrong either way.

TDS is miles better than Rebellion. But Rebellion is canon and TDS isn't.
And all we can do is cry.

Have you ever stopped to acknowledge the fact your posts are beyond autism? Literally

Can you please delete your life already.
There is zero reason for every single thread to have to be ruined by you.

TDS is fine. Mami x Kyouko is better.

Rebellion should have been about them.