Why do liberals want to regulate the way parents raise and discipline their own kids?

Why do liberals want to regulate the way parents raise and discipline their own kids?

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Because hitting isn't discipline, it's abuse. You don't have any more of a right to hit a kid than a libtard has the right to hit you for wearing a MAGA hat.

Because children are full human beings, not the property of their parents.

Is that a girl (male) ?

Get fucked sissy cunt


Try and explain the intricacies of social interaction with a screaming 3 year old in a packed restaurant or shopping centre

because thats how it starts, they take authority from the parents, and make children public property, at that point you can do whatever you want

thats not a child tho lmao

>sissy cunt
>strawman
I can tell you were hit as a child. It knocked some serious IQ points off your head.

>that .jpg

Raising kids the exclusive purview of the parents. The state should only intervene if the disciplinary action is unusually cruel.

Kill yourself retarded queer

How can a spanking reduce your IQ you dumb faggot?

And hitting is unusually cruel. It is not the purview of the parents. In fact, you should have a license and spend over 100 hours in parenting classes to be allowed to have kids.

maybe if they spanked your head

>calls me a dumb faggot
Literally no argument, only insults. I see violence and aggression have been well planted into both of you.

To further break the family by putting the state between them.

>there are brainlets in current year who think any form of hitting isn't abuse
This would be hilarious if it wasn't so depressing.

>Age old parenting methods are not valid because they hurt my liberal sensibilities

Nobody is talking about abuse but if the disciplinary action is within generally accepted limits and practices it is perfectly fine

>implying most these families aren't already broken

>because something is traditional, that makes it right
>liberal sensibilities
I'm done with you, you're just insulting me and using nothing but logical fallacies

>uses "current year" unironically
Huh...wow!

You have offered zero arguments why disciplinary action is bad other than platitudes on why violence is bad mkay

No, you are retarded and are offering zero arguments except muh feelings
Hitting your children if he acts naughty is the just thing to do

The answer is simple: undisciplined children grow up to be future liberals, thus increasing their foothold in the future.

Stop acting like some enlightened guru, retarded amerifat. You literally did not post an objective argument.

What makes you think putting a child to the equal status of an adult is a healthy thing to do? How can you hope to discipline someone who genuinely cant understand the consequences of their actions without a spanking?

No one is saying beat your kids but there has to be some recourse available, if you're a dick in the real world you'll get smacked with a nightstick even though you are a "human"

>t.SoiBoi

My father used to beat me with a belt when i was a kid, with hands\fists when i got older. I beat the living shit out of him when i got older and stronger, broke his nose, ribs, stomped on his hands breaking fingers, beat him with a chain. Didnt feel even tiny bit of satisfaction even tho it was a sole purpose of all the years i sweated training. I dont even know for the worst or for the better now, that he beat me, on the other hand i got mad strong, cause he was massive and strong, and on the other hand it costed me almost 12 years of hatred and being hurt. I wont beat my kids if i ever have them, which i dubt i will.

What was your relationship with your father like after you busted his ass?

libs are pesos they want a law so they can kidnap and pedo

why do you ask stupid questions pedo?

because a lot of hardcore conservatives used to literally beat the fuck out of their children.
With belts, with rulers, with fists, absolutely barbaric

its not abouting beating you kids with fists, leaving scars, its about disciplining, more like slap on the wrist than beating.

I dubt it will either, sorry it had costed you so much. Kys.

>tfw spanked as a small child
>tfw came out pretty fucking alright
i doubt any leftist has ever been spanked in their life.

im not queer or a faggot im just asking if thats a dude pretending to be girl because it looks like it is

>"I came out pretty fucking alright."
>Posts on Sup Forums

Apparently daddy didn't hit you hard enough for you to learn that lying is bad.

I say absolutly necesarry,i will beat the shit out of my kids if they will be little shits.

No relationships, i mooved out same day. Never talked to him ever since. I just crossed him out and forgot he exists, changed my name aswell. I visit mother sometimes he just leaves when i do. i dont even look at him, i dont have any negative emotions left, i did my revenge, it didnt feel any good and i just fliped the page and moved on.

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this parenting method was fostered and encouraged by bible verses, junk science, and the military industrial complex (need to produce lots of young fighters to feed the war machine).

It was really bad. My dad for example was seriously fucked up emotionally by his parents abusing him

Because when kids are abused they turn into alt right incels, like you, and parents don't want that?

I think parents should be able to physically discipline their kids to some extent because you cannot reason with children and pain is the only way to teach what is allowed and what isn't.

Total fucking BS. I've known people who were spanked and grew up resenting their parents for it, promising they'd never lay a finger on their kids; also known people who were spanked and turned out fine and seemed quite cool with it. I've known people who WEREN'T spanked and turned out fine, and ones who grew up as spoiled fucking brats. Both sides turn out people on either end of the political spectrum.

I used to teach elementary-aged kids, so believe me, I fucking understand what leads people to spank their kids. There were so many days I wanted to hit some of those little shits. But I can tell you that there was NO noticeable correlation between kids being spanked at home and their behavior in the classroom. What mattered was consistency, not the severity of the punishment. Kids whose parents punished them for an offense one day, and then brushed it off the next day, or whose parents disagreed on what rules they had to follow, were disobedient little shits almost without exception. Kids whose parents calmly enforced discipline no matter their mood or the circumstances were well-behaved, whether that discipline was spanking or simply being sent to their room.

I am not strongly against spanking. so far as I've observed it doesn't necessarily fuck kids up, but in my extensive if anecdotal experience I haven't seen one single piece of evidence that it produces BETTER results. It's not awful but it's not necessary. But if you are going to spank your kids, for the love of god, have clear rules, and be a FANATIC about enforcing them consistently each and every time.

The fact that parents need to hit their children to keep them in control is proof of their bad parenting.

I feel that emotional abuse is much more effective then physical

It's funny, kids have been slapped on the arse since records began but it's only since corporal punishment fell out of fashion we've been seeing hordes of entitled queers taking their gender studies degrees and campaigning for the import of brown people to earn enough money to buy their new vagina. Coincidence?

Really? Damn. You must be the only one with a family history like this...
I know first hand too.
They're emotionally and socially hardened because they got to learn that no one gives a fuck about your feelings at a young age.

We're aren't talking about beating the shit out of your child. That's restarted. But sometimes they do need some disciplinary action. They need to understand that their actions have consequences.
It doesn't even her to be a strong hit, a slight slap is enough to convey the idea from my experience.

This

>a billion things change in the world in ones things
>correlates two unrelated ones
>coincidence?

yes coincidence, moron
how does kicking your kid's ass make it less gay?
if anything it's going to make him MORE repressed and fucked up

fuck off

*retarded

no, it's more like they are emotionally traumatized and mentally damaged.

No other animal hits their kids. It shouldn't be necessary. Even the slightest little change in facial expression can give your child nightmares for weeks

literally none of this greentext is actually true, probably written by a retarded fucking 15 year old.

>kicking your kid's ass
Never have children.

Not real liberals. Authoritarian regimes like to raise kids. teaching kids to listen to the state over their parents. This is why kids snitched their parents in commie/socialist/nazi countries.

We're not talking about making children and adults equal in all things. We're talking about making certain allowances in regards to their protection from physical attacks. Hell by your same logic we should be allowed to murder children because "hurr durr they're not adults so who cares?"

Yeah they just let their offspring to get constantly hurt so that they would learn by themselves.

because children don't belong to the parents they belong to the state

To raise whores, soyboy cucks, rebellious children (that rebel against the parents) to spread their ideology

Family is the building block of the state, so not sure about that one.

I don't understand people who are ok with spanking. It leaves children scared for life. It doesn't mean no discipline just not smacking

If you have to discipline your kid via violence you are a shit parent and probably a fucking cunt (in a narcissist kind of way)/idiot

Don't you know how wolves raise their pups?

Yes, simply raise your child in a consequence free environment where everything is tailored towards keeping them safe with no training required until they go to university. I'm sure this will work out well.

Hitting your child lowers their IQ you piece of shit slav pretending to be Greek.

The American can't tell between "spanking" and "beating the shit out of"

thats impossible to prove

Because Sup Forums wants to use "discipline" as an excuse to dominate their kids like chad and their parents dominated them when they were children and teens.

Those are not true liberals you dumb fucks. They are leftists who lean much more towards socialism than true liberalism. Stop painting everything on the left as liberal for fucks sake

While true, it is also that the "child" is only a ward if the parent whom upon reaching the age of majority becomes a citizen of the state.

Therefore the state has a right to ensure that citizen becomes well suited for civic life.

>all these studies are fake news because I don't like them!

To be fair correlation =/= causation. Could just be niggers are more likely to hit their kids and ALSO have lower IQ on average.

Nice trap OP.
Got anymore fempenis in your collection?

Good luck convincing little Timmy who just discovered that the furry creature who lives with him makes a funny noise when you pull its tail to stop doing it. One "don't do that it's bad" should be enough. Because Timmy understands the concepts of good and bad.

its far more plausible that children with lower iq simply don't listen to instruction as well and thus their parents are more likely to hit them

lel i have a 3 year old that can understand that concept better than she could understand me beating the shit out of her for not doing what I said.

your daughter has a fat pussy

I was implying the reverse.
>parent has low IQ therefore lower impulse control
>parent is then more likely to hit their child
>IQ is largely heritable so the kid turns out retarded regardless of whether he's hit or not

>dominate their kids
You're a fucking idiot. You don't slap a kid because you're angry or because you want it to do something. You slap it when it's doing something dangerously stupid and doesn't understand an explanation of the consequences.

Oh I agree. But the left has been touting this line for a long time. Here's a tiny example i could find without doing any real searching.
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Because they were raised wrong themselves

I think mine is more likely overall because yours implies the parent hits them needlessly. I didn't think anyone just gave weekly beatings anymore. Anyway it's all a moot point because you can't effectively legislate child rearing.

You honestly have no clue what you're talking about. Slapping your child for doing something achieves fucking nothing, what do they get from being slapped other than finding out their dad is fucking retarded? They will just cry, they won't learn anything unless you fucking tell them what they should be learning from the experience.

They need your brain to help theirs understand the world.

Instead, you didn't teach them anything you just fucking hit them because you're too fucking lazy and incompetent to teach someone without the use of violence. Maybe don't have kids.

It's so easy to spot the insecure kids that got beaten and disrespected too much that now want to flex on little kids so they can feel powerful and superior for once in their lives.

Only ever seen Americans defending this practise.

>it worked on me


It CLEARLY didn't

Parents need to 100% beat their children more

I look around and see people all the time, and i just think
I wish their parents fucking beat them

>2017
ITS THE 21st CENTURY GRANDPA IT'S WHATEVER IT WANTS TO BE

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>came out pretty alright
You're LARPing as a Nazi on anime website, worshiping goosestepping Krauts from last century.

>all children are the same

Maybe have a couple more and see what you think.

are you really going to deny that negative reinforcement exists?

>No other animal hits their kids.
cats and hens absolutely do it. both break up fights between their offspring (hens all the time, cats only if it gets serious), both beat up very young offspring for straying outside when it's bedtime (twilight for hens, because they can't see shit in low light, random times for cats because for kittens bedtime is when mommy decides so).

You people are too eager and excited to hurt small children, seek help lmao

>what do they get from being slapped
What do people get from getting punished for certain actions? Why don't we abolish prisons and just tell criminals not to commit crime?

>not knowing what conditioning is.

No, but you don't need violence to use negative reinforcement. Simply telling them not to do it is often enough if you are deadly fucking serious about it. Not only that, often they learn from making the mistakes and don't even need to be taught.

You can also use shame and guilt strategically if you need them to conform more to societies expectations of normal behaviour. No it is not easy, no I don't want more kids.

But I'm not fucking beating her ass because she didn't know it was dumb to pull the dogs tail or whatever other shitty mistake she makes. If violence is your only recourse for getting your kid to do what you want, you are absolutely fucked and you should have been aborted. Violence or even the threat of violence should only be used if it is really fucking deadly serious and they might die or something if you don't do something immediately. I can't really imagine a scenario where you need to beat the shit out of your kid to help them live, but yeah.

Soyboys over here


Liberals are scared of disciplined people and disciplin.

Man, I'm not gona go down this road with u cus u don't know me and I'm not gona write a fuckn novel. U have ignored the point of my post. Everyone has a excuse, everyone has a story and a lot of ppl have it worse than me or u. Now idk if ur leftist or what but they seem to act like they speak for everyone but they only speak for a fraction of ppl same goes with the right wingers. They're the same in the end. So please try to grasp when I tell u that no one is important. U aren't important and no one can tell anyone what's best for them. Learn from mistakes, don't run in circles, better urself.

Well no, you argued that hitting is unusually cruel. He countered that spanking a child has been acceptable parenting practice for the half a million odd years that humans have been on this planet, and it seems odd to think that virtually all parents before this generation were unusually cruel to their kids.

He never claimed that spankins history makes it right, he claimed that it was asinine to define parents before the current non spanking fad as "cruel". Incidentally, spanking is seen as acceptable practice in virtually all non-western countries. Are you saying that the billion or so parents in india and china are unusually cruel?

Just beacause a certain cultural practice is no longer seen as normal in the west, does that make that right?

>posting that disgusting jew whore with saggy tits and acne everywhere
fuck off OP

>no I don't want more kids
So you're basically never going to learn that kids are very fucking different and just assume that what works on your daughter would be equally effective if you had three sons. Good job.

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